6 minutes ago, froggy8 said:

once i have put everything in then spray everywhere with brake cleaner? but what is the landing area? which grease would you recommend?

 

Clean when drum is off before removing anything so that everything you put back is either new or clean.

 

Copper grease, where the brake shoes rub against the rear plate and where the parts move.

 

Look here as well:-

 

Thanks AG Falco

Edited 12 May, 20197 yr by AGFalco
added link with more info.

4 minutes ago, AGFalco said:

 

Clean when drum is off before removing anything so that everything you put back is either new or clean.

 

Copper grease, where the brake shoes rub against the rear plate and where the parts move.

 

Look here as well:-

 

Thanks AG Falco

thank you, will have a go at this next weekend when the parts arrive.

 

on one of the videos i watched, i need a quite a large spanner o remove the inner hub, i dont have anything like that.

my shopping list so far lol

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Granville-Car-Brake-Calipers-Pads-Discs-Squeal-Anti-Seize-Copper-Grease-500g-Tub/264166859750?epid=2076442921&hash=item3d819263e6&enc=AQADAAADAFjVrDbVsZ8oH%2F8PNHtt9VX4%2Fw7FZcmMuqsX8uaFEduVaqUtyJ1TRg%2FAyA6NKj4XaObSjKv5fuiIZ9pJkEpmwCbUHHj6JvTATFVYxuzEX4oABYwa2BIM9oz5TxGo3pD9PLRzXJb2cZs%2F5pWgwkArsvPnu3iLUxjfH7j%2BdT9g6C7pCaH3jrGZReyRbjSvg9ILezHJHp2I5Sg58OB6EOHCDrS4meWFyugV0RTZ5vhyF5BY7UiJ5f%2FU7MxUl862QfcYcf2ZRkCIxa5oJ7pQTkJ%2B78yBabbTGQaW7MPXxuzzkUmzWid5ZDgDASumyyhGtPMEbdLZ5CXg5l3%2FlLR2LOVLmRXCT2%2BsoTg7CD3QlJEdZxUvvEhVpakGek%2B2bf1FZGSmcOvAhlv%2BD6pjyAYHmr15cGnMCANboOIH16wD%2BFmwd%2BoHaHvZM%2FM7YII2jpv6WTGT7GduKaqLgwlGavyYJ0odIcMHipgsirBgcz40imha6o%2BvgLOhEA%2FI7YVDz7PHNV%2BzwC%2BwNNQNKnO4MhxlzT0E00pN26V5z7zK8Qh0KGxjjz%2FNd6kXDki%2FHhVM%2FTTZ51OGA4rO4IFHY3HzojeuCsBU0JF91mehgxrEDrK%2B4dTR7WYG7NWSaPwRRR8qKL9chpwElSa3SJGGjVfeUITvNDSmyZ68skDYIHw4aBitGopO3NQC6ja0YjfIPKqKyhulsBPUktiekbdppgOJqC7TcA%2BwBbZiIoLHBbWDZa7EF3uxP%2FiOR7U9awSE7lH9V9Eg%2F9J%2BihQurpW%2FzA4xPrADGuCnUtUxu2lBKJz8BfmRIFDMMXDgvGkoVX8DDnaUfxes%2BXeLLkzJJiMSX6KQjpilTpOmBq%2F7WoEndQPuTDMzibbm13CM%2FEQEDRZLWixP6VpSp3Dxc%2BPrvCQ3B3cCGk2ZsWaVBfNZCa0yDCAaSyt%2BUIaqfaYJ4LpeHmxYPrD%2FaXw%2FOzO9DJED5XgH33Hal3WcKTjYKjP%2BrpmIP8VR8vK%2Bsfrvkco1YZ3DtzzvNTh5071w0ENe4g%3D%3D&checksum=2641668597505ccdc6668e1043cf804e0f52d9f4529b&frcectupt=true

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/9672-MANNOL-600-ML-MONTAGE-BRAKE-CLEANER-AEROSOL-SPRAY-German-Large-Can/303081768066?epid=14017020944&hash=item469114c482&enc=AQADAAAC8FjVrDbVsZ8oH%2F8PNHtt9VX4%2Fw7FZcmMuqsX8uaFEduV1Sra86W5B7J%2BhRY%2FU8Vf5yKNzuaJPU1IjaUN3JcE%2Fuixddxm5kPmz6OgwhwGaVS1V6oseoLcTDV3og80ZCoWfqInsciJhnAnMO2maSmmTIifmm4v0s8dBHG1XvuRZopHW31UOMZ9f%2F3kjn%2Bn%2BY1XCiBSa9%2FQei7Kw3nhWpVFGxkvbk%2BaIHDGeO20kZvCg40xFDRr1SlAovNZOKvI8%2BL0dwLeuz7CvEE3bPqsCSGimVGhTAAaOZX%2FDo4zmpZR8yHfwmXKTAk3GREYQqYUXHBr6hqsVvXJn1NBCTkak87RtGAHJ61sLXkcH8%2FYSloD9YJKFRO5069AFR775Zzjb%2BZzFs8aSYcm78xPVbjTkkvDSGqYTaKBFCoM0Zr%2BDgyBZcXn8aWPZgRoxFnlf50AOYgxy2mKxBteuQo6qiCmKzf4CUiwE3ulYgd%2FMwMzHlicwOpfVmQMd%2Bm5HyLTNmiw107KWnCum%2FU2jzKS0AydK3U5IAGt6mSZAuRKmZiGPzhV7hPJZwk7ow86NOYGL%2BeeHwTICOSRsQx3hIvL8VSNBk8XR4SI%2BJMW5kFql9P7nFxNd9VfWeXZIEJHWccArlLV3U5VMtIvwwmRAcuhTB%2BlCScXcaR8v%2Fhayyw0J585%2BZ3LtutvN%2FyS3gKOeLIwwtAPGW3JSreDdxSQw491tTQ8GaZYwlT0vQbdVlK4uti7J5w86UefGVpAWzS7Pq8PEKX4nJh85pc%2FYgdex5%2BCQwZcpF4YhJPPKt8itCLRjUWlsednfPc0Gljv0cmA5o%2FDyBCm3Eqnw5fz3g8GIDfiEZS05LVaX49UEIUJ0sq1on70GY9dGB5oTnhsjf2rHH1k7Okd1tfl1qVZTVyNHMfwY8aMVGWarKvxLFL%2B18l29wEH7F6AbTqg8MdTatQ4qlCy1XkPJDFas6KIxBm20YX%2BHmRmbs%2Fz9Dmq%2F85%2F67a67f%2FK88MlK6K%2F&checksum=303081768066cba5b2d0820b49b68538f3a130319d8e&frcectupt=true

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3438-T-Handle-Handbrake-Pull-out-Hook-For-Audi-DashBoard-Trims-Removal-Tool-UK/163656391891

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162951129567?ul_noapp=true

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/372270301044?ul_noapp=true

 

i think that is about it unless i have forgotten anything else.

Edited 12 May, 20197 yr by froggy8

have i got the right grease?

All the parts are shown here: https://skoda.7zap.com/en/cz/fabia/fab/2009-608/6/609-609020/

 

I'd draw your attention to item 8, 'glide piece' which is what the edges of the brake shoes 'glide' on rather than the steel of the backplate.  They tend to be chewed up and in need of replacement, in my experience.  You may find them on ebay via part number, but they should be pretty cheap from dealers (they'll not have them in stock, probably). 3 per shoe, 6 per side of car.

Type of grease to apply to these is probably non-critical, as long as it doesn't attack the plastic.

 

Something that may be worth looking for is pre-assembled shoe kits which I've seen people link to, might save you a load of battling with springs and things.

Haven't gone down that route myself, but I may do if I ever get involved in shoe replacement again, it's a bit of a PITA.

 

Another tip.  Before you start, slacken off (lots) the central handbrake cable adjuster inside the cabin.  This makes it far easier to undo the handbrake cables at the drums, and refit them onto the new bits.

 

 

 

 

Edited 9 November, 20241 yr by Breezy_Pete
Item number corrected

Grease is good. There is too much for this job only but it can be used on other things as well.

 

You still need a tool to stop the brake fluid leaking out when to wheel cylinders are off.

 

Like this:-

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Draper-11534-Hose-Clamp/dp/B0001K9OGU/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=brake+pipe+clamp&qid=1557688008&s=gateway&sr=8-8

 

Thanks AG Falco

8 minutes ago, Wino said:

All the parts are shown here: https://skoda.7zap.com/en/cz/fabia/fab/2009-608/6/609-609020/

 

I'd draw your attention to item 3 'glide piece' which is what the edges of the brake shoes 'glide' on rather than the steel of the backplate.  They tend to be chewed up and in need of replacement, in my experience.  You may find them on ebay via part number, but they should be pretty cheap from dealers (they'll not have them in stock, probably). 3 per shoe, 6 per side of car.

Type of grease to apply to these is probably non-critical, as long as it doesn't attack the plastic.

 

Something that may be worth looking for is pre-assembled shoe kits which I've seen people link to, might save you a load of battling with springs and things.

Haven't gone down that route myself, but I may do if I ever get involved in shoe replacement again, it's a bit of a PITA.

 

Another tip.  Before you start, slacken off (lots) the central handbrake cable adjuster inside the cabin.  This makes it far easier to undo the handbrake cables at the drums, and refit them onto the new bits.

 

 

 

 

thank you

 

i have just ordered this

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Copper-grease-Multi-Purpose-Anti-Sieze-Slip-Assembly-Compound-70g-Tube-Carlube/264244273624?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

 

i thought it would be pointless getting a large tub full.

 

am about to buy this

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rear-Delphi-Brake-Shoes-Skoda-Fabia-1-0-1-2-1-4-1-4-16V-1-4-TDI-1-9-SDi-1-2-TSI/372270312620?fits=Car+Make%3ASkoda|Model%3AFabia|Plat_Gen%3AMK+II&hash=item56ad0a2cac:g:NYUAAOSwiuxaxuEI

 

these are assembled arent they?

5 minutes ago, AGFalco said:

Grease is good. There is too much for this job only but it can be used on other things as well.

 

You still need a tool to stop the brake fluid leaking out when to wheel cylinders are off.

 

Like this:-

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Draper-11534-Hose-Clamp/dp/B0001K9OGU/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=brake+pipe+clamp&qid=1557688008&s=gateway&sr=8-8

 

Thanks AG Falco

thank you, have just ordered it.

 

do i really need the tbar hook though?

4 minutes ago, froggy8 said:

these are assembled arent they?

 

No, the springs and bars are not fitted already.

 

2 minutes ago, froggy8 said:

do i really need the tbar hook though?

 

No, I use screwdrivers/pliers.

 

The job is a PITA and can be fiddly. You need to take your time. Practice helps.

 

Thanks AG Falco

8 minutes ago, froggy8 said:

these are assembled arent they?

No.

 

I'll try to find an example of what I mean. Hang on.

2 minutes ago, AGFalco said:

 

No, the springs and bars are not fitted already.

 

 

No, I use screwdrivers/pliers.

 

The job is a PITA and can be fiddly. You need to take your time. Practice helps.

 

Thanks AG Falco

 

2 minutes ago, Wino said:

No.

 

I'll try to find an example of what I mean. Hang on.

i have had a look on ebay and i dont think i have seen any with springs, all the videos ive seen shows a guy taking all the springs out then when putting new shoes in, he put the springs in separately which makes me think you cant just put them in assembled.

https://www.mister-auto.co.uk/brake-kit-drum-brakes/trw/gsk1512/

Note, the pre assembled kit above also includes the wheel cylinders.

These kits will save you time and with me some skin and swear words. 😂

 

Thanks AG Falco

 

 

thank you very much guys, will try have a go next weekend. i feel confident i can do it  

23 minutes ago, Wino said:

https://www.mister-auto.co.uk/brake-kit-drum-brakes/trw/gsk1512/

 

18 minutes ago, AGFalco said:

Note, the pre assembled kit above also includes the wheel cylinders.

These kits will save you time and with me some skin and swear words. 😂

 

Thanks AG Falco

 

 

so all i need to do is put all that in then put the drum back on then finish? dont i need to put grease in these ones?

3 minutes ago, froggy8 said:

so all i need to do is put all that in then put the drum back on then finish? dont i need to put grease in these ones?

 

No. you still need to remove the wheel cylinders after removing the shoes and springs/bars.

And remove/refit the shoe retaining clips. Part numbers 13,14 and 15 on Wino's link:-

https://skoda.7zap.com/en/cz/fabia/fab/2009-608/6/609-609020/

Yes, still grease the landing pads.

 

Thanks AG Falco

5 minutes ago, AGFalco said:

 

No. you still need to remove the wheel cylinders after removing the shoes and springs/bars.

And remove/refit the shoe retaining clips. Part numbers 13,14 and 15 on Wino's link:-

https://skoda.7zap.com/en/cz/fabia/fab/2009-608/6/609-609020/

Yes, still grease the landing pads.

 

Thanks AG Falco

i undertsand now, will ordered this full set if it is easier.

 

wish me luck  lol  

Those assembled brake shoes are expensive. I'm sure i fitted Brembo or Bosch shoes for a fraction of that. Spring kits can be ordered from Bigg Red or motor parts.

 

Needle nose pliers are useful for the springs, as is a large handled screw driver. Actually easier with the hub off, but appreciate it can be done with it in place.

 

If you have a drill, get a rotary abrasive flap attachment. It's good for the inside of the drums to remove loose rust. You can use a wire brush attachment for the outside.

 

One comment or suggestion that I'll make is, normally to fit a fully assembled set of shoes and springs and other parts, it is necessary to remove the hub, and that involves removing a "use once" quite expensive nut - maybe £10>£15 each nut from memory, I've taken one side off once and replaced with a new nut.

Someone has posted on youtube a video on replacing these parts as a kit on a VW Polo (same car) - and the way he did this was to first remove the brake cylinders to make it possible to manipulate the assembled kit over the still fitted hub and into place - I think that doing it this way would suit you as you are replacing the brake cylinders anyway, so maybe going searching for that guide?

I've now searched my postings over the past 14 months and I can't find the thread that had a link to a youtube video covering servicing a Polo - which also linked to another of that guy's videos that covered replacing the rear shoes as an assembled kit. Also I can't find that video using any searches, so, maybe assume that fitting that assembled kit is possible if you remove the brake cylinders first and replace/swop the shoes etc before fitting the new cylinders - by doing it that way you should be able to disconnect the handbrake cable from the shoe and rotate that assembly without needing to remove the hub.

1 hour ago, rum4mo said:

I've now searched my postings over the past 14 months and I can't find the thread that had a link to a youtube video covering servicing a Polo - which also linked to another of that guy's videos that covered replacing the rear shoes as an assembled kit. Also I can't find that video using any searches, so, maybe assume that fitting that assembled kit is possible if you remove the brake cylinders first and replace/swop the shoes etc before fitting the new cylinders - by doing it that way you should be able to disconnect the handbrake cable from the shoe and rotate that assembly without needing to remove the hub.

thank you for your help

 

after i have fitted the assembled kit, i will be putting the grease behind the pads and on the moving parts. then i think that will do  

 

do i put grease inside the hole where the wheel goes on to avoid seizing?

On 12/05/2019 at 16:12, AGFalco said:

 

Clean when drum is off before removing anything so that everything you put back is either new or clean.

 

Copper grease, where the brake shoes rub against the rear plate and where the parts move.

 

Look here as well:-

 

Thanks AG Falco

when you said rear plate, do you mean the part before i put the brake pads on?

ok have ordered this yesterday and it says i should get it tomorrow so can try fit it this weekend but cant help worrying that i might need to take the middle wheel off( dont know what its called) or maybe take the side spring out of the kit and put it in an angle so the side metal plate can go in first then once i have manage to put the kit in then put the spring back?

 

https://www.mister-auto.co.uk/brake-kit-drum-brakes/bolk/bol-c121076/

31 minutes ago, froggy8 said:

middle wheel off

Centre hub can stay there.

 

https://www.mister-auto.co.uk/brake-kit-drum-brakes/bolk/bol-c121076/

Fit the top ends of the shoes in place on the new wheel cylinders first.

 

If you look at the photo in the link to the parts you ordered at the bottom of the right set,

You will see a yellow block which needs to be taken out before they are fitted.

( it is black on the other set and this also needs to come out when fitting the set. )

 

If you remove the spring from this bottom half of the set it is a lot easier to fit.

Refit the spring before you lever the ends of the bottom of the shoes on to the holders.

 

Hope this makes sense.

 

Thanks AG Falco

 

 

17 minutes ago, AGFalco said:

Centre hub can stay there.

 

https://www.mister-auto.co.uk/brake-kit-drum-brakes/bolk/bol-c121076/

Fit the top ends of the shoes in place on the new wheel cylinders first.

 

If you look at the photo in the link to the parts you ordered at the bottom of the right set,

You will see a yellow block which needs to be taken out before they are fitted.

( it is black on the other set and this also needs to come out when fitting the set. )

 

If you remove the spring from this bottom half of the set it is a lot easier to fit.

Refit the spring before you lever the ends of the bottom of the shoes on to the holders.

 

Hope this makes sense.

 

Thanks AG Falco

 

 

do you mean this spring that is in blue circle?