Put a stage 1 map on a diesel vrs 184,

 

And stage 1 map on say 245 vrs.

 

Which one would be quicker to 60?

 

I would suggest the 245 as you may be able to reach 60 in 2nd.  The 184 would need to be in 3rd or 4th so a fair amount of lost time in between gears.

The ex 245 obviously!

The 245, considerably. 

 

You'd be looking at 300bhp+ vs circa 220bhp. 

 

To be honest I reckon the stock 245 would hold its own against a mapped 184.

Just looked it up.  In standard trim the 184 tips the torques by 10Nm so pretty close.  The additional hp and breathing room at the top end gives the 245 a big advantage.

 

Adding 4x4 into the mix would make it closer I think.

The diesel will end up with 225-235bhp and is heavier than the 245. Stage 1 Vrs245 gives at least 300bhp (because you can use 99 octane fuel) and Revo road test managed 0-60mph in 5.5 seconds. My manual 245 does 39mph in 1st gear, 71mph in 2nd and 105mph in 3rd which is much better than the diesel can achieve. Diesel all out of puff at 4,000rpm yet petrol car can hit 7,000rpm in the first 3 gears. Silly question really I have owned a 64 plate Vrs Tdi DSG so I should know the answer.

5 minutes ago, MarkyG82 said:

Just looked it up.  In standard trim the 184 tips the torques by 10Nm so pretty close.  The additional hp and breathing room at the top end gives the 245 a big advantage.

 

Adding 4x4 into the mix would make it closer I think.

Stage 1 245 has 467NM of torque say 500NM for the diesel but the diesel car is heavier.

2 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

Diesel all out of puff at 4,000rpm yet petrol car can hit 7,000rpm in the first 3 gears. Silly question really I have owned a 64 plate Vrs Tdi DSG so I should know the answer.

A 'normal' diesel may well run out of puff at 4k but a mapped one would also gain some headroom.

7 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

Stage 1 245 has 467NM of torque say 500NM for the diesel but the diesel car is heavier.

 

Indeed. and the additional torques will make it harder to get the usable power into the tarmac also.

 

4 minutes ago, john999boy said:

A 'normal' diesel may well run out of puff at 4k but a mapped one would also gain some headroom.

 

Still not enough to keep up.  Might gain one gear.

 

 fairer test would be stock 184tdi vs 190tsi.  Actually I just looked it up and the tsi had 320Nm vs the 380 on the tdi.  The lighter tsi with higher revs might make the difference.

14 minutes ago, john999boy said:

A 'normal' diesel may well run out of puff at 4k but a mapped one would also gain some headroom.

Well having owned a mapped Mk3 Octavia with 317lb/ft (2.0Tdi SE) it didn't produce much extra go after 4,000rpm just speaking from personal experience and that had 5bhp more than my standard Vrs Tdi. Lots of gear changes required to keep it on the boil.

55 minutes ago, Gmanvrs said:

Put a stage 1 map on a diesel vrs 184,

 

And stage 1 map on say 245 vrs.

 

Which one would be quicker to 60?

 

4 x 4 is the only doubter otherwise it's the 245 all day long

Not related to the OP's question but my Vrs diesel (DSG) managed a best of 66mpg (181bhp) and the mapped car did a best of 70mpg (186bhp).

Thanks for all the replies. 

Reason for the question really,  is I'm toying with changing my car sometime.   Currently own diesel vrs and not sure what to go for next. 4x4 Octavia vrs or go petrol 245?

Also been looking at the 280 superb 

23 minutes ago, Gmanvrs said:

 

Also been looking at the 280 superb 

Take a long test drive in the Superb, it maybe quick but, handle it doesn't

2 minutes ago, themanwithnoaim said:

Take a long test drive in the Superb, it maybe quick but, handle it doesn't

Wallows like the barge it is unless you have DCC set to Sport. No hiding the extra 200kg compared to the 245 and they have the same braking system (disc size) so fade a lot quicker as a result.

38 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

Wallows like the barge it is unless you have DCC set to Sport. No hiding the extra 200kg compared to the 245 and they have the same braking system (disc size) so fade a lot quicker as a result.

Did wonder about the handling,  not enough reviews for me on internet 

1 hour ago, shyVRS245 said:

Well having owned a mapped Mk3 Octavia with 317lb/ft (2.0Tdi SE) it didn't produce much extra go after 4,000rpm just speaking from personal experience and that had 5bhp more than my standard Vrs Tdi. Lots of gear changes required to keep it on the boil.

 

My tdi 150 with a tuning box is quite fun.  I think your definition of 'on the boil' is far far greater than mine.  326hp isn't it?  Talking double my current daily and with a wider more usable power band too 🤯

Hmm I was literally going to ask a similar question, just about to get my new 245 replacing my current TDi, I don't need to diesel anymore as I won't be doing so many miles anymore. Out of interest the people who have gown for stage one on there petrol vrs' what else did you have to do? And if you have dsg (this is my first dsg) do you need to get that mapped aswell? 

24 minutes ago, MarkyG82 said:

 

My tdi 150 with a tuning box is quite fun.  I think your definition of 'on the boil' is far far greater than mine.  326hp isn't it?  Talking double my current daily and with a wider more usable power band too 🤯

No I was talking about my manual 2.0TDi SE needing much stirring of the gear lever. The stage 2 Vrs245 has a lot more torque and revs to play with (380lb/ft versus 317lb/ft for the mapped diesel). Chalk and cheese literally. The diesel could keep up with a 197bhp Civic Type R whereas the Vr245 would obliterate it.

24 minutes ago, BOOSSHH said:

And if you have dsg (this is my first dsg) do you need to get that mapped aswell? 

No extra parts required for a Stage 1 & you don't have map the DSG but, if you don't well, you ain't really trying are you ?

ive posted this before but it shows the absolute limit of a 184 diesel as these are the exact same engine as the MK7 golf.... all are either CUNA or CUPA otherwise you could quite easily push 400+ bhp with enough coin.
 

 

2 minutes ago, themanwithnoaim said:

No extra parts required for a Stage 1 & you don't have map the DSG but, if you don't well, you ain't really trying are you ?

Tony likes to give his cogs a good work out. For best results on a petrol remap really helps if you can afford to lavish 99 octane Tesco Momentum or Shell V-Power Nitro (it even sounds exciting doesn't it).

1 minute ago, JohnnyType2 said:

ive posted this before but it shows the absolute limit of a 184 diesel as these are the exact same engine as the MK7 golf.... all are either CUNA or CUPA otherwise you could quite easily push 400+ bhp with enough coin.
 

 

it will still rattle like a tractor at idle LOL.

Having had two remapped TDI's in the Leon (150 and 184) then a tuning box on a 150 Superb 3 TDI before switching to petrol then I'd say don't bother with the TDI's; any of the 2.0 EA888 units are just so much nicer to drive in every respect.  Less vibration, less noise and more fun when the mood takes you.  

 

Don't get me wrong, remapping the 184 improves an otherwise dull engine, and by some margin but I found it transformed the car into what I would expect it to be like from the factory and not into anything 'special'. Though the big lump of mid-range torque isn't to be sniffed at.   I'm just not a fan of the 184 unit; it needs to be worked hard and has a very limited range of usable power.  In many regards I think the 150PS TDI is a far nicer engine and the one to go for out of the two; it maps well and is more refined. 

 

Off the line, any of the 2.0 TSI's would see off the TDI BUT...from a rolling start with a remapped TDI, in the right/gear revs then I think it would be much much closer. 

 

 

My tuned 184 tdi does certainly does pack a punch. It does wheelspin in 1st gear and if it's wet, it does in 2nd as well. This is probably tyre related a bit more than the extra power though. The thing I really find special is the overtaking. Just the thump you get. Mine is as fast as a standard petrol (an approximate 6.4 seconds to 60 is the best I've done), but as said above, once you start tuning the petrols, the horsepower and torque figures go upwards quickly.

 

The main question to ask is what you use your car for. If you're doing a lot of miles, always have a car load of luggage / passengers or tow, then the diesel does have it's advantages. After tuning mine, the MPG on mine went up a few. A steady 70 on the motorway sees me averaging around 55-60 mpg and I'm easily getting 600 miles out of tank of juice.

 

Normal rule of thumb I've always been told is petrol is for fun and shorter journeys, then diesels are for economy on longer trips and load lugging / towing. With turbochargers now being fitted on the vast majority of petrols, the need for diesels is reducing, especially with your dieselgate hoohar and the diesel rates going up.