Had about 70 cars, about half new. Done well over 1 million miles in them. All bar 4 have been manual. 1 slush box and 3 DCT. One of the DCT(Ford)  had clutch packs fitted after 96K. None of the manuals has ever given me a problem whatsoever. Not even a clutch in my ownership and thats with zero gearbox maintenance. Think that says it all!!!  

2 hours ago, teescom09 said:

Had about 70 cars, about half new. Done well over 1 million miles in them. All bar 4 have been manual. 1 slush box and 3 DCT. One of the DCT(Ford)  had clutch packs fitted after 96K. None of the manuals has ever given me a problem whatsoever. Not even a clutch in my ownership and thats with zero gearbox maintenance. Think that says it all!!!  

I dunno, if you’ve had 70 cars you haven’t done many miles in each one have you? A million miles over 70 cars is about 14k miles per car - you wouldn’t expect many cars to develop a fault on that sort of average mileage. 

Not complicated but if you do not want a manual and you want to drive it has to be a car with 2 pedals.

 

If you want something that changes gears it has to be an Automatic, CVT or Automated Manual / DSG, so if you dont like Dual Clutch / Twin Clutch boxes dont get a DSG / S-stronic.

Edited 29 July, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

Out of curiosity and off topic but what gearbox is in the latest dsg vrs 245 ?

21 hours ago, maffyou said:

I dunno, if you’ve had 70 cars you haven’t done many miles in each one have you? A million miles over 70 cars is about 14k miles per car - you wouldn’t expect many cars to develop a fault on that sort of average mileage. 

You calling me a liar? Among that over 70 cars are about 30 company cars over 34 years to present. I have owned 3 plus cars for about 43 years. 5 currently. For about 20 of those years a I did at least 40k a year, for a few years I did around 60k per year. All the 2 year vauxhalls went back with over 100k, one year  deals often over50k. All trouble  free cars. At  the same time as those I had my own cars which I/we also clocked.  up 10k +. The cars have been new, nearly new and old. We still do around 37k per year, 25 myself, 12 my wife.

 

So your assumption is ****e!  

Most reliable cars were the vauxhall Cavaliers and Vectras, Xantias were good too with odd silly little issues. Worst car was a Toyota Avensis T180 tourer, heap of ****, guzzled fuel 32 mpg and dab radio, climate, auto wipers etc never worked properly. Injector problems a few times also. And mondeo 130’s could keep up with it. Next most unreliable has been the VRS, turbo replaced at 31k, wheel bearing at 35k, but it’s hardly been unreliable as it never broke down. Just the others only ever had minor ish issues, head gaskets on one or two probably the biggest problem, 

Edited 28 July, 20196 yr by teescom09

RE 32mpg in 2019/20.

In the Karoq section of this forum there are drivers with 1.5 TSI EVO / DSG / AWD's that are posting they get 32 mpg.

Vorsprung Durch Technik except for Skoda who turn out some pretty guff cars MPG wise while trying their hardest to get low emissions.

Edited 28 July, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

1 hour ago, teescom09 said:

You calling me a liar? Among that over 70 cars are about 30 company cars over 34 years to present. I have owned 3 plus cars for about 43 years. 5 currently. For about 20 of those years a I did at least 40k a year, for a few years I did around 60k per year. All the 2 year vauxhalls went back with over 100k, one year  deals often over50k. All trouble  free cars. At  the same time as those I had my own cars which I/we also clocked.  up 10k +. The cars have been new, nearly new and old. We still do around 37k per year, 25 myself, 12 my wife.

 

So your assumption is ****e!  

Wow, biggest overreaction to a post ever 

 

You said over a million miles, so I did the maths. My assumption was only based on the info you provided, so if my assumption was ****e, that’s because your info was ****e. Sorry for offending you by working out 1 million divided by 70. 🙄

Edited 28 July, 20196 yr by maffyou

We're still off-topic I see

 

Anyway just to throw the cat amongst the pigeons, I'm sure I don't have to remind folk, but just in case they don't realise it...   clutch issues are uncommon on very high mileage cars as they spend most of their time on fast roads. It's the cars that are constantly changing gear / the clutch is constantly in use where the majority of problems appear.

 

Cavalier - my company had a Vaxuhall only policy so I drove several of those too. ( pre-vectra days)  Cavaliers and Omegas, never had a single reliability issue with any of them but to be fair, the technology today is in a different league. Those 1.7tdi Cavaliers used to return high 40's, my much larger 1.4tsi Octavia will return mid 50's on a similar long run. Never driven the 1.5 so can't compare  ( See how I've brought it back on to subject? )

 

 

Edited 28 July, 20196 yr by Guest

To go off subject,

1.0TSI's can get rather good MPG's and on UK NSL's take the same time to do a journey as a 2.0, 1.5 or 1.4 TSI.

 

For some reason right now Skoda only do the Mk3 Fabia with a 95 ps 1.0TSI manual having dropped the 110ps and the DSG's, also the estates.

3 hours ago, teescom09 said:

Most reliable cars were the vauxhall Cavaliers and Vectras, Xantias were good too with odd silly little issues. Worst car was a Toyota Avensis T180 tourer, heap of ****, guzzled fuel 32 mpg and dab radio, climate, auto wipers etc never worked properly. Injector problems a few times also. And mondeo 130’s could keep up with it. Next most unreliable has been the VRS, turbo replaced at 31k, wheel bearing at 35k, but it’s hardly been unreliable as it never broke down. Just the others only ever had minor ish issues, head gaskets on one or two probably the biggest problem, 

 

And how many of those DQ200 and how many miles on them?

 

For some comparison.

I've personally owned 30 cars in 34 years. Some of them 2nd cars, projects or toys. Count in cars for the household and that's easily over 50.

Personal mileage is 15k to 20k a year and about another 8k from family members.

My first auto was a 3 speed torque converter without a lockup clutch and since then I've owned most types of auto as the technology progressed including automated manuals and DSG.  I've never owned CVT as I've never driven one I would want to own.

Many of these auto's have been towcars. (Not the DQ200's though)

 

I too have never had a single clutch, gearbox or torque converter failure until I had 4 out of 5 of my DQ200's develop issues.

 

The only work I've needed before is general servicing and a torque converter recall on a Jeep Cherokee. 

 

I'm a chartered engineer so my mechanical sympathy and understanding of the limitations of the various technologies is probably much higher than the normal buyer.

 

 

Edited 28 July, 20196 yr by logiclee

12 minutes ago, Roottootemoot said:

To go off subject,

1.0TSI's can get rather good MPG's and on UK NSL's take the same time to do a journey as a 2.0, 1.5 or 1.4 TSI.

 

For some reason right now Skoda only do the Mk3 Fabia with a 95 ps 1.0TSI manual having dropped the 110ps and the DSG's, also the estates.

I was in 67 plate 1.0tsi Octavia taxi last night, it’s done 112,000 miles. 

Driver said it averages about 45mpg (thrashed).

1 hour ago, maffyou said:

Wow, biggest overreaction to a post ever 

 

You said over a million miles, so I did the maths. My assumption was only based on the info you provided, so if my assumption was ****e, that’s because your info was ****e. Sorry for offending you by working out 1 million divided by 70. 🙄

It’s actually well over 1 million miles. Assume I keep cars exactly the same amount of time and do exactly the same mileage in every one. 🤓

31 minutes ago, logiclee said:

 

And how many of those DQ200 and how many miles on them?

 

For some comparison.

I've personally owned 30 cars in 34 years. Some of them 2nd cars, projects or toys. Count in cars for the household and that's easily over 50.

Personal mileage is 15k to 20k a year and about another 8k from family members.

My first auto was a 3 speed torque converter without a lockup clutch and since then I've owned most types of auto as the technology progressed including automated manuals and DSG.  I've never owned CVT as I've never driven one I would want to own.

Many of these auto's have been towcars. (Not the DQ200's though)

 

I too have never had a single clutch, gearbox or torque converter failure until I had 4 out of 5 of my DQ200's develop issues.

 

The only work I've needed before is general servicing and a torque converter recall on a Jeep Cherokee. 

 

I'm a chartered engineer so my mechanical sympathy and understanding of the limitations of the various technologies is probably much higher than the normal buyer.

 

 

None. As I said, had 4 autos and one of those broke at 96k and is a Ford Power shift. The other Autos were a Cortina GXL in 70’s ( ruined the car) A6 quattro new, M3 new plus the Galaxy. Other pushing 70 cars all manual and trouble free. 

4 minutes ago, teescom09 said:

None. As I said, had 4 autos and one of those broke at 96k and is a Ford Power shift. The other Autos were a Cortina GXL in 70’s ( ruined the car) A6 quattro new, M3 new plus the Galaxy. Other pushing 70 cars all manual and trouble free. 

 

Sorry I thought you were commenting on the Auto/Manual debate for the 1.4/1.5TSi.

7 minutes ago, logiclee said:

 

Sorry I thought you were commenting on the Auto/Manual debate for the 1.4/1.5TSi.

Try practicing what you preach 🤓

Edited 28 July, 20196 yr by teescom09

4 minutes ago, teescom09 said:

Try practicing what you preach 🤓

 

I wasn't having a dig I genuinely thought you'd said you'd done some mega miles on DQ200's,

Edited 28 July, 20196 yr by logiclee

19 minutes ago, teescom09 said:

It’s actually well over 1 million miles. Assume I keep cars exactly the same amount of time and do exactly the same mileage in every one. 🤓

You’re clearly unfamiliar with the concept of an average. Here’s a wiki link to get you started: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average

 

Let’s say you’ve driven 2 million miles - over 34 years that allows for nearly 60k per year, every year (on average I hasten to add; see above link). Split that over 70 cars and you still only get an average mileage per car of 28.5k, which is still not a high mileage and you wouldn’t expect clutches (or much else) to develop faults at near that figure. So my point still stands, regardless of how obtuse you try to be about it. 

Only vag dct ive had is a 66 plate A6 3.0 tdi quattro. I actually raised a fault on it at its first service complaining it was dangerous. They said they often get that but unable to do anything about it. Problem was If you stopped at a junction especially if the engine stopped too and then went for what would normally be a suitable gap to get out. By the time it pulled away which seemed forever, you were in trouble, in panic the throttle gets floored and then it absolutely takes off making it difficult to control out of the junction. Absolutely **** gearboxes. Only thing that spoiled the car. The BMW DCT is vastly superior. But still wish I’d got manual. 

4 minutes ago, maffyou said:

You’re clearly unfamiliar with the concept of an average. Here’s a wiki link to get you started: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average

 

Let’s say you’ve driven 2 million miles - over 34 years that allows for nearly 60k per year, every year (on average I hasten to add; see above link). Split that over 70 cars and you still only get an average mileage per car of 28.5k, which is still not a high mileage and you wouldn’t expect clutches (or much else) to develop faults at near that figure. So my point still stands, regardless of how obtuse you try to be about it. 

FFS can’t you read 🥵

Edited 28 July, 20196 yr by teescom09

@teescom09 Was this 66 plate A6 3.0 tdi quattro a car you owned and drove for a while.  Where did it end up going to?

?

Do you have a BMW Auto?

 

The Audi's drive lovely IMO, you just switch Stop / Start off occasionally if needs must, but then regular DSG / S-Tronic drivers know that.

 

EDIT, 

sorry i see the Audi was new, and you had or have a M3.

Edited 28 July, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

33 minutes ago, teescom09 said:

FFS can’t you read 🥵

Yes, I can. You really are unnecessarily obnoxious, so I’m not going to reply any further to you in this thread. I’ve made my point very clearly in 2 separate posts and you’re choosing to ignore it because you needlessly got the hump about being called a liar (are you 8 and in a school playground?) which you weren’t, you just didn’t understand the post that was made. 

Edited 28 July, 20196 yr by maffyou

23 minutes ago, maffyou said:

Yes, I can. You really are unnecessarily obnoxious, so I’m not going to reply any further to you in this thread. I’ve made my point very clearly in 2 separate posts and you’re choosing to ignore it because you needlessly got the hump about being called a liar (are you 8 and in a school playground?) which you weren’t, you just didn’t understand the post that was made. 

 

50 minutes ago, Roottootemoot said:

@teescom09 Was this 66 plate A6 3.0 tdi quattro a car you owned and drove for a while.  Where did it end up going to?

?

Do you have a BMW Auto?

 

The Audi's drive lovely IMO, you just switch Stop / Start off occasionally if needs must, but then regular DSG / S-Tronic drivers know that.

 

EDIT, 

sorry i see the Audi was new, and you had or have a M3.

I bought it brand new and It was traded in, loved the car, just not the box. It’s still slow even without stop start. The BMW reacts quicker and is just far better. Doesn’t creep either. Wish it was manual, but seems most want DCT so didn’t want to make things harder when ai sell it, sad really but you have to consider that. I just don’t relish having one out of warranty. 

Edited 28 July, 20196 yr by teescom09

@teescom09

You are comparing chalk and cheese, and sometimes i think talking sharn. Em oot as well.

9 minutes ago, Roottootemoot said:

@teescom09

You are comparing chalk and cheese, and sometimes i think talking sharn. Em oot as well.

Sharn em oot 👍

12 hours ago, teescom09 said:

 The BMW DCT is vastly superior. But still wish I’d got manual. 

 

 

Is it the transverse engined DCT as used in the mini and 2 series AT etc that you have? 

 

I don't find them to be much different from VAG's transverse DSG wet clutch boxes. 

 

The DCT in the earlier M Cars were something special except for around town when they were a bit hesitant.  Looks like BMW are progressively phasing this box out though and fitting the ZF8HP.  Maybe due to the torque the new turbo units are pushing out.  The same as Audi has done on the S5.

Personally I don't mind as the ZF solves all the DCT issues at low speed and is 98% as good on up shifts and better on downshifts.

 

Lee

Edited 29 July, 20196 yr by logiclee