28 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

One of my neighbours has swapped his fairly new Mercedes GLC for a 19 plate Jaguar F -Pace 300 Sport with the 2.0 litre turbo petrol engine. Looks like off white very light meteor grey shade.

 

That will be the new JLR Ingenium petrol engine. An engine range that maybe very short lived as JLR have now signed an engine supply agreement with BMW so they can concentrate on EV.

2 hours ago, logiclee said:

 

 

That will be the new JLR Ingenium petrol engine. An engine range that maybe very short lived as JLR have now signed an engine supply agreement with BMW so they can concentrate on EV.

Just a development of Ford ST 2.0 engine as Volvo did to. Which is a Mazda L block  from years back. Hence when they  move out of Ford factory they have to go elsewhere. 

44 minutes ago, teescom09 said:

Just a development of Ford ST 2.0 engine as Volvo did to. Which is a Mazda L block  from years back. Hence when they  move out of Ford factory they have to go elsewhere. 

 

The Ford 2.0T engine has not been used in JLR products for some time. The  4 cylinder Ingenium's are built at JLR's factory in Wolverhampton, the only licensed part on these units is the Mulitair system from Fiat.

 

The Ford agreement that finishes this year does effect the V6 and V8 models.  Until last week the replacement had previously been announced as a 6 cylinder Ingenium with 48V assistance. Again a £1 Billion investment at the Wolverhampton site.

 

So still all speculation at the moment but it appears the V6 and V8 replacement will now be BMW 6 cylinder with the next gen 4 cylinders being BMW in a couple of years.

The capacity freed up at Wolverhampton will be focused on EV in partnership with BMW. But as yet even the guys at the Wolverhampton plant have not been told anything officially.

Edited 25 July, 20196 yr by logiclee

That’s JLR’s problem, been unable to design little of their own stuff, along with quality.  Almost everything is a hangover over or reworked old models or models that were Fords work.  Still with many ford parts. Experts at panel beating new shapes. Personally I would buy elsewhere but those that like huge things seem to like them. They invested in 4 cylinder diesel at the wrong time, they should have gone with a new petrol, all would be far better for them now. And make an estate of the XE, it’s screaming out for it. 

4 minutes ago, teescom09 said:

That’s JLR’s problem, been unable to design little of their own stuff, along with quality.  Almost everything is a hangover over or reworked old models or models that were Fords work.  Still with many ford parts. Experts at panel beating new shapes. Personally I would buy elsewhere but those that like huge things seem to like them. They invested in 4 cylinder diesel at the wrong time, they should have gone with a new petrol, all would be far better for them now. And make an estate of the XE, it’s screaming out for it. 

Or buy a load of Mondeo Estates and stick Jaguar badges on. Ring any bells?

1 hour ago, teescom09 said:

That’s JLR’s problem, been unable to design little of their own stuff, along with quality.  Almost everything is a hangover over or reworked old models or models that were Fords work.  Still with many ford parts. Experts at panel beating new shapes. Personally I would buy elsewhere but those that like huge things seem to like them. They invested in 4 cylinder diesel at the wrong time, they should have gone with a new petrol, all would be far better for them now. And make an estate of the XE, it’s screaming out for it. 

 

The current models, XF, XE, F-Pace, F-Type and new XJ are nearly all in house apart from the V6 and V8 engines. The bigger selling 2.0's are virtually Ford free, it's what TATA wanted and by the next year the Ford legacy is gone. 

But although TATA invested heavily in the technology the quality is lacking. Back in 2012 the Ford version X250 XF topped the customer satisfaction and reliability surveys for the luxury segment and the current X260 XF props up the bottom. 

The Ingenium is Petrol or Diesel and the choice is there.  But the Chinese market doesn't want either, they want PHEV and EV, it's a premium technology led market. The only JLR model to increase sales in China is the i-pace EV that won WCOTY.  JLR's sales in China have virtually collapsed and the market is buying BMW and Merc Hybrid, PHEV and EV. 

 

To be fair TATA could have bailed and sold to PSA or similar but instead have written off the losses and invested heavily in the future EV models. That's good for the UK especially in our current situation and I hope they can turn things around as there are tens of thousands of UK jobs at stake. 

 

Going forward we will see more tech sharing as battery, inverter, motor tech becomes more widely used.  I suppose even now with ICE we have BMW supplying JLR, Morgan, Toyota. And Merc supplying V8's to many smaller manufacturers including Aston Martin.

I suppose you could say VW are the ultimate tech sharing group. At one time Skoda made their own engines and the VW engines are bit of an improvement.

Edited 25 July, 20196 yr by logiclee

1 hour ago, shyVRS245 said:

Or buy a load of Mondeo Estates and stick Jaguar badges on. Ring any bells?

 

The only Jag to use the Mondeo platform was the X-Type. It used the Mk3 Mondeo platform. 

 

And to be honest my Mk3 Mondeo ST220 is still probably the best handling car I ever had. The X-Type also drove very well.  But Jag 20 years ago decided the X-Type should look traditional and look like a small XJ which was a big mistake. And customers didn't really gel with the idea of a FWD Jag.

 

 

It wasn't until 2007 that Ian Callum moved Jag design on using a Ford RWD platform and that design is credited with saving the company.  But we are way off topic now

Edited 25 July, 20196 yr by logiclee

Final off topic comment from me promise. Was invited to a launch event at a very posh private school back in the early 2000's to test the new X-Type and the only model I was offered to drive was the base 2.0 diesel with about 136bhp. It felt slow and noisy compared to my then new Leon Cupra. Can't really comment on the handling because it took an absolute age to build up any speed. Brother later had the 2.2 diesel X-Type with 153bhp when you could get the same Ford engine in the Mondeo with I think 173bhp.

13 hours ago, Scot5 said:

Good old VW and forums eh.  So far I've read that the DSG DQ200 which is the dry clutch 7 speed used in the less powerfull engine applications is:

 

Brilliant, inherantly faulty, that you have to adapt driving style to use it properly, works just like an ordinary auto, no problem using D in crawling traffic, should use S in crawling traffic, the clutch slips, it doesn't slip, and according to HonestJohn who's been complaining for many years about this dry clutch box, sitting with your foot on the brake whilst the car is in D ( presumably S too ) was VW's defense for claiming premature clutch wear and not paying out or contribuing to repair costs. As confusion goes, the DQ200 rivals servicing interval, when to change the cambelt and which oil should I use for top spot.

 

What is beyond doubt is the DQ200 is one of the most unreliable auto boxes available.   I've read that there haven't been any major instances reported when it's used in combination with the 1.0 3 cyl engine, but for 1.4tsi, 1.6tdi and 1.8tsi  it's best avoided. Don't recall reading about any 1.5tsi instances with the DSG but then again, folk are probably too busy kangarooing to notice.   

But then again the one in my 1.6tdi has been faultless & there's probably thousands like me.  Just the luck of the draw.

10 hours ago, shyVRS245 said:

Brother later had the 2.2 diesel X-Type with 153bhp when you could get the same Ford engine in the Mondeo with I think 173bhp.

 

The X-Type used the Mk3 platform and the 2.2TDCi in the Mk3 Mondeo was 155PS. That engine was in the ST TDCi, it was still a noisy unrefined unit with a very narrow powerband. The petrol ST got a 3.0V6 petrol and it was a glorious power plant, silky smooth with instant throttle response. You could get that unit in a X-Type with AWD but I never got to drive one of those.

 

The 2.2TDCi had two further generations and ended up with 200PS and 450NM but was dropped for Euro 6

Edited 26 July, 20196 yr by logiclee

2 hours ago, logiclee said:

 

The X-Type used the Mk3 platform and the 2.2TDCi in the Mk3 Mondeo was 155PS. That engine was in the ST TDCi, it was still a noisy unrefined unit with a very narrow powerband. The petrol ST got a 3.0V6 petrol and it was a glorious power plant, silky smooth with instant throttle response. You could get that unit in a X-Type with AWD but I never got to drive one of those.

 

The 2.2TDCi had two further generations and ended up with 200PS and 450NM but was dropped for Euro 6

 

One of my old cars a while back was a Mondeo 2.2 Ghia X Estate with the 2.2 TD engine, it was an extraordinarily fast car, not very refined engine though, loads of black smoke flying out of the exhaust was fairly normal. Overall it handled very well, except for the clutch which was awful, extraordinarily heavy, even painful if you had a lot of slow town traffic.

17 minutes ago, AllanDJ said:

 

One of my old cars a while back was a Mondeo 2.2 Ghia X Estate with the 2.2 TD engine, it was an extraordinarily fast car, not very refined engine though, loads of black smoke flying out of the exhaust was fairly normal. Overall it handled very well, except for the clutch which was awful, extraordinarily heavy, even painful if you had a lot of slow town traffic.

 

It depends on year really. There have been 3 generations of 2.2TDCi and the last one is very different from the first.  The first gen were based on an old Ford Puma Duratorq diesel. From around 2008 the 2.2TDCi was a development of PSA's DWA engine.

 

Only the same as the VAG 2.0TDi from the initial PD fuelled models which were unrefined with a narrow powerband to the introduction of Common Rail and dieselgate scandal on the EA189 and now the new EA288  Euro 6 engines.

 

I've owned every version of VAG's 2.0TDi, the EA189 had the best power delivery in my opinion but perhaps that was due to the dieselgate software. I sold the Passat before the upgrade was done.

This topic has lost the plot. 

1 hour ago, benterrier said:

This topic has lost the plot. 

 

I blame @logiclee and @shyVRS245 (as usual)

 

I say, in answer to the threads title, if you want to play safe, and intend keeping it for a long time or high miles, look for a good, well kept, example with the 1.4tsi (EA211 latest cambelt) engine with a manual gearbox.

http://www.motorreviewer.com/engine.php?engine_id=116

 

For the benefit of others, I advise to avoid the earlier EA111 1.4tsi engine that had a camchain. Reasons why can be found here

http://www.motorreviewer.com/engine.php?engine_id=6

 

The 1.5tsi is a risk, VAG anecdotally claim as little as 1% are affected by issues widely reported on Briskoda, but I suspect VAG is being economical with the truth. An expensive gamble.

 

Avoid DQ200 unless you can afford an expensive repair

 

 

Edited 26 July, 20196 yr by xman

2 minutes ago, xman said:

 

I blame @logiclee and @shyVRS245 (as usual)

 

I say, in answer to the threads title, if you want to play safe, and intend keeping it for a long time or high miles, look for a good, well kept, example with the 1.4tsi (EA211 latest cambelt) engine with a manual gearbox.

http://www.motorreviewer.com/engine.php?engine_id=116

 

For the benefit of others, I advise to avoid the earlier EA111 1.4tsi engine that had a camchain. Reasons why can be found here

http://www.motorreviewer.com/engine.php?engine_id=6

 

 

 

Guilty as charged but only replying to others.

 

12 hours ago, ords said:

But then again the one in my 1.6tdi has been faultless & there's probably thousands like me.  Just the luck of the draw.

 

Yes I agree, luck of the draw with the DQ200.

 

But with four of my five DQ200's requiring repairs I'm either extremely unlucky or the odds are not great in the first place.

 

Lee

Back on topic latest tank in our 1.5TSi manual Karoq. Got 56mpg going to work and 57mpg going home including the stop for fuel.

22 hours ago, shyVRS245 said:

Final off topic comment from me promise.

 

3 hours ago, shyVRS245 said:

Back on topic latest tank in our 1.5TSi manual Karoq.

 

FFS you're now posting about a Karoq on an Octavia forum ! 

 

 

 

8 hours ago, logiclee said:

 

Yes I agree, luck of the draw with the DQ200.

 

But with four of my five DQ200's requiring repairs I'm either extremely unlucky or the odds are not great in the first place.

 

Lee

I just calculated a statistical hypothesis test for these data and, statistically speaking, there is evidence that the proportion of owners with issues is greater than the 1% claimed by VW. 

 

However, this is on the basis of a sample of size 5 which is really very small (and arguably not independent either). 

14 minutes ago, Scot5 said:

 

 

FFS you're now posting about a Karoq on an Octavia forum ! 

 

 

 

The point was 1.4TSi or 1.5TSi engine choice and as we have done 17,500 miles in our Karoq I feel I can comment as previously run the 1.4TSi ACT engine in a 2016 Superb for 16,000 miles which was economical and had a great range of 700+ miles per tank due to it;s large 66 litre fuel tank. The Karoq has the same 50 litre fuel tank as the Octavia so if we can get nearly 500 miles per tank (actually filled up at 448miles with 6.5 litres left in the tank) than any decent owner of the 1.5/1.4 TSi engine whether manual or DSG should be capable of achieving over 500 miles per tank. I realise you don't like me hence all your negative posts when I try to give someone sound advice. Here is some free advice to you please grow up.

25 minutes ago, maffyou said:

I just calculated a statistical hypothesis test for these data and, statistically speaking, there is evidence that the proportion of owners with issues is greater than the 1% claimed by VW. 

 

However, this is on the basis of a sample of size 5 which is really very small (and arguably not independent either). 

 

Ooooh nice maths.

 

Fully independent though from multiple sources.  

 

My full list.

S5 Company car. DL501, No issues, 40k miles

Passat, Purchased New, DQ250, No issues, 100k miles

Passat, Purchased New, DQ250, No issues, 60k miles

Golf, Leased New, DQ200, No issues, 13k miles

Fabia, Purchased New, DQ200, Clutch Pack., 15k miles

Yeti, Leased New, DQ200, Clutch Pack. 20k miles

Yeti, Leased New, DQ200, Clutch Pack. 20k miles

Octavia, Purchased Used, DQ200, Clutch Pack x2, Mechatronics, Gear Lever x2, 35k miles.

 

I've also owned multiple 3,4,5,6 and 8 speed conventional autos over the years as well as 5 and 6 speed automated manuals. The DQ200 is the only automatic gearbox I've had problems with.

 

So to keep on topic, would I have a 1.4 or 1.5?  1.4 but only a manual

 

 

 

Edited 26 July, 20196 yr by logiclee

46 minutes ago, logiclee said:

 

Golf, Leased New, DQ200, No issues, 13k miles

Fabia, Purchased New, DQ200, Clutch Pack., 15k miles

Yeti, Leased New, DQ200, Clutch Pack. 20k miles

Yeti, Leased New, DQ200, Clutch Pack. 20k miles

Octavia, Purchased Used, DQ200, Clutch Pack x2, Mechatronics, Gear Lever x2, 35k miles.

Just to play devil’s advocate here, you could argue that the issue here is Skoda’s, rather than the clutches...

1 minute ago, maffyou said:

Just to play devil’s advocate here, you could argue that the issue here is Skoda’s, rather than the clutches...

 

Don't Skoda manufacture the DQ200 anyway, for Audi and VW to?

1 minute ago, logiclee said:

 

Don't Skoda manufacture the DQ200 anyway, for Audi and VW to?

I’ve no idea but if that’s the case the issue is definitely Skoda! 🤣

8 minutes ago, maffyou said:

I’ve no idea but if that’s the case the issue is definitely Skoda! 🤣

 

https://www.skoda-storyboard.com/en/press-releases/skoda-auto-produces-two-millionth-dq-200-dual-clutch-transmission-vrchlabi-plant/