13 minutes ago, Breezy_Pete said:

As I said, I don't need you to agree. 

I'm not seeking to reach agreement. I'm very interested why you would class influencing people toward EV the same as spreading FUD.

 

It just feels as though you haven't got a good reason to back up your earlier claim that I was hypocritical. There has to be a reason to class someone as hypocritical, even if I may not agree, I'm interested.

I see the point of car forums as helping others to fix their cars.

 

I see using them to try to promote political or ideological stances as misuse, basically.

11 minutes ago, Breezy_Pete said:

I see the point of car forums as helping others to fix their cars.

 

I see using them to try to promote political or ideological stances as misuse, basically.

Fair enough. That's your opinion and you are perfectly entitled to it. But I politely remind you that everyone should be treated equal, I wasn't the first person promoting political stance in this thread. 

 

I personally see point of car forum to discuss cars. I feel I've done nothing else other than discuss different types of cars, EV in an EV subform. My opinion showed through and so did your opinion, and I think that's perfectly fine on a forum. When did sharing opinions about a specific thing on the specific sub-forum became "promote ideological stances"?

 

But I don't see how this has got ANYTHING to do with FUD or influencing. I have been trying really hard to remove fear, uncertainty and doubt about EV's from misinformation, yet you say I'm hypocritical. You haven't really explained your reasoning for saying I'm hypocritical and how it links to influence people toward EV's. All I've been doing in this thread is try to provide as much factual information as possible and ask for clarification. Absolutely zero attempt at influencing......... no phases like "you should" or "you need to".

50 minutes ago, Breezy_Pete said:

Just seemed (to me) hypocritical (of you) to bang on about 'FUD' stuff whilst trying constantly to influence people towards EVs and away from conventional cars.

Never mind wyx, I'll pop you on my ignore list and trouble you no further. G'night and goodbye.

7 hours ago, Breezy_Pete said:

Never mind wyx, I'll pop you on my ignore list and trouble you no further. G'night and goodbye.

I've just tried to message you regarding who is on my ignore list other than wyx.

Eventually there might be members posting in this section who are trying to help other members fix EV's. 

Eventually there might be more than 2 Skoda EV's that need fixing or hopefully less fixing than the ICE Skodas do.

 

Not much assisting in helping fixing cars is going on in the Roadside Hotel, Off Topic, and the Health Sections. 

18 hours ago, roottoot said:

@Crasher. I think what it is is people actually learning facts and listening to myths and using common sense and being prepared to have an open mind.   I can play devil's advocate as much as anyone.  I am charging EV,s in Scotland which is different from in England, 

 

Problem with that school of thought is there's this thing called the National Grid...

Very true. 

England's lack of planning & actions need not hold back Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland though in the getting to Net Zero and reducing pollution.

England needs to get on with Energy Security considering how much it needs to import.

 

Now there are Communities and charging hubs with Turbines for Hydro & Wind generation of electricity and battery storage with no connection to the grid, 

and there are more and more of those being built, and lots in Scotland.

There are Island Communities that have had no National Grid connection to the mainland for years now and are producing electricity and hydrogen from that and using & exporting the hydrogen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_stations_in_Scotland

Just 1 Nuclear power station now and it is due to decommission in 2 years time.

 

 

http://newcivilengineer.com/latest/3-4bn-undersea-electricity-superhighway-between-scotland-and-north-england-moves-forward-31-03-2022

http://nationalgrid.com/electricity-transmission/network-and-infrastructure/segl2

 

http://nsenergybusiness.com/projects/eastern-hvdc-link/#

 

 

The National Grids problem is storage of electricity. but then they know the partial solution.

http://electrek.co/2022/01/26/europes-largest-grid-connected-battery-storage-facilities-will-be-set-up-in-scotland

 

http://scottishconstructionnow.com/articles/angus-council-not-opposed-to-ps40m-battery-storage-plant

 

Obviously a National Grid issue is that England needs Gas & Oil & Coal Power Stations and Wood Pellet burning to produce electricity for the grid and there is a concern over gas shortages. 

That Electricity produced from Gas is also get used in huge amounts producing energy to power cracking plants producing road fuels as well as other petrochemicals.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 15 October, 20223 yr by roottoot

8 hours ago, Breezy_Pete said:

Never mind wyx, I'll pop you on my ignore list and trouble you no further. G'night and goodbye.

Good morning, I see you were not able to back up your statement of calling me a hypocrite, linking FUD and influencing toward EV with any solid reasoning, other than saying  your unrelated opinion that car forum is only for fixing cars. 😂 
 

Good day to you, in case you ever read this. Please do treat everyone equally, go about everything based on logic and facts. 
 

1 hour ago, StevesTruck said:

 

Problem with that school of thought is there's this thing called the National Grid...

What problem is there with National Grid? Care to elaborate? 

14 hours ago, Breezy_Pete said:

I see the point of car forums as helping others to fix their cars.

 

I see using them to try to promote political or ideological stances as misuse, basically.

Amen to that! 👍

good jezus this derailed quickly after a revival!

 

I was wondering if the forum's only for helping others fix cars, why people bother with the Health Hub or any of the other sub fora? 

There's forums for fixing cars, forums for photography, forums for having a laugh or sharing sorrow etc etc. You don't have to talk about things other than cars if you don't want to.

There's something for everyone on Briskoda. Probably why it's so popular and long may it continue to be so

 

Move on kids, I have. 😁

^^^ Seems not that far!

 

The EV MINI hatchbacks & new Small SUV MINI Electric will be getting built in China. 

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-63269974

 

The real issue being is it not likely to be that small and it will not be a SUV it will just be tall. 

Edited 15 October, 20223 yr by roottoot

Thank you toot for attempting to bring the topic back from wherever the hell it was.

 

If anyone wishes to discuss what I wrote further  please send me a PM, if you can. 🙂

The subject is kind of about EV models and a Chinese owned car & van manufacturer who is  disrupting the cartel that is the EV manufacturers with overpriced products because the were being subsidised by UK Tax payers.

 

They were a manufacturer that had kits of cars imported to the UK and assembled here before they went over to EV's, that building the ICE cars stopped in 2016. 

They might do that in the future with EV's. probably not though.

Edited 15 October, 20223 yr by roottoot

Just now, roottoot said:

The subject is kind of about EV models and a Chinese owned car & van manufacturer who is  disrupting the cartel that is the EV manufacturers with overpriced products because the were being subsidised by UK Tax payers.

 

They were a manufacturer that had kits of cars imported to the UK and assembled here before they went over to EV's that stopped in 2016. 

They might do that in the future with EV's. probably not though.

 

Thanks George.

 

It became clear to me, quite a while ago, that the offering from SAIC are of a different quality, dealer network, potential volume that they can produce from the general perception of "Chinese" goods that are output by that industrial super power.

 

Both the cars coming out with the MG badge and the vans with the LDV/Maxus, being bought and used by the thousands by companies like DPD UK appear to be of  generally acceptable quality and notably very good value and represent a turning point in what are group of significant players in the EV market and therefore the overall car and van market in the UK and beyond.

 

1 minute ago, roottoot said:

The subject is kind of about EV models and a Chinese government subsidised and owned car & van manufacturer who is  disrupting the cartel that is the EV manufacturers with overpriced products because the were being subsidised by UK Tax payers, by supplying low priced evs in bulk volumes through those government subsidies and enforced low labour costs.

ftfy, while being on the fence observer

 

@mac11irlThe way of the world seems to be that for all kinds of stuff to be cheap or affordable for many that have lower incomes it requires very low paid workers doing the work.

There still has to be profits for the employers to stay in business though. 

That is how people like the goods , foods etc they buy to be, cheap when you want cheap.  Others working conditions, pay and lifestyle is not something that bothers many. 

I have lost track of who hates, disagrees, agrees, understands and ignores who. My initial post didn’t differentiate between EV’s and ICE’s, just the inner feeling of buying something you can buy from elsewhere from a country which is an international pariah but continues to get away with it because the west depends on their goods. An inappropriate part of me would like them to attack Taiwan because it would be a disaster for them but also unfortunately for the rest of humanity.

http://electrive.com/2019/06/21/volkswagen-produces-more-phev-parts-in-china

 

Choices. Loads of them.

We could buy British Built & Indian owned that import export to China.

Or European Owned that build anyplace globally they can cheaply, manyof  which will have parts & materials from China , that would be German Manufacturers. 

Maybe North Korean with parts from china, or even cars from North America. 

 

Time to stop buying built or with parts built in Hungary that has a leader that is a supporter of Putin, which is why they have the deal for gas and oil that they have. Then there is the Czech Republic with a similar deal. 

Edited 15 October, 20223 yr by roottoot

10 hours ago, wyx087 said:

What problem is there with National Grid? Care to elaborate? 

 

There's no problem at all with the National Grid, it's a great idea.

 

However, the post was making the point that because the vehicle was being charged up in Scotland, it would not be causing the burning of fossil fuels, whereas in England it would. 

 

If you think that's how the National Grid works, I'm going to need to get the crayons out...

http://gridwatch.co.uk

 

In 2020 17.1% of England's total Electricity consumption came from Scotland.

A country that has only 8% of the population.    That was just the Electricity, there is the Gas & Oil as well to take into account.

 

http://yes.scot/renewables-powerhouse

 

We know it is not how the National Grid works.

But seeing as the 1 nuclear plant can produce 3/4 of all the needs for homes in Scotland and then Scotland produces many times more than it needs for Homes, Business & Industry and lots of that is exported even abroad to be sold cheaper than in the UK that is worth considering.

 

Scotland does on occasion require the National Grid to boost energy to Scotland, that is while energy is on its way out to France & Ireland

that is how the contracts work.. 

That is bringing in energy at a higher price than the energy going out.

 

The Pumped Hydro is used at peak times and keeps the lights on down south and then the water needs pumped back up. 

 

The Wind Farms are paid often to not generate electricity while expensive electricity is Imported because there are contracts requiring the National Grid a non UK Company to import from abroad.

 

 

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The Solar at charging hubs like Stirling would not produce enough electricity if the chargers were all being used, but so far i have yet to see even a 1/4 occupied, and with the battery storage the electricity is there only needing more from the many wind farms in the area.

More of these type of hubs should have wind turbines on site and these are going up in places. 

 

Scotland has under 6 million people & producing enough energy and extra is pretty easy with so much land and sea.

Lots of the Energy Produced is not for the general population, it is for Industry. The high polluters in Scotland including the Oil & Gas industry. 

That is produce fuels for transportation, road, rail, sea and air. 

http://enough.scot/2022/10/05/scotlands-top-20-polluters

 

That industry is important, it is jobs and taxes and revenue Scotland needs, but that the treasury gets first.

So as far as Green Energy in Scotland there is many many more times what the population of Scotland requires, and more every year. 

 

Edited 15 October, 20223 yr by roottoot

So, by that token, because I live between an offshore windfarm and an onshore windfarm, whatever I will do will be more environmentally friendly than someone who lives in a city?

@StevesTruck  Have you lost your crayons? 

Use your brains now because it is never going to happen that the UK will be environmentally friendly. 

 

Grow your own food and make your own energy.  Start with making your own ethanol from potatoes & veg you grow, 

 

I will just continue to stay in a resource rich north  and use what i need and not care too much about the environment as long as i am OK because others are just wasting resources. 

I like 'Much Cheapness' and poking a stick at those stupid enough to to not use the brains they were born with.