I have always thought my rear suspension a little soft when towing or even with a full tank. I fitted rubber assisters and this has helped hugely but I would like a little more permanent solution.

How can I tell if springs such as these - https://www.autodoc.co.uk/lesjofors/9735347 are heavier duty? It does say for towing. Would fitting new shocks (Bilstein B6?) help as well?

I suppose crawling under to see what shocks I have, and what springs I have may a good idea anyway? I think there is a paint code on springs to guide me?

Scout shocks and springs are supposed to be stiffer than standard O3 equipment, I tow with mine and have done for several years, and have not noticed any real sag, although over time the clearance has reduced very slightly. Might be an idea to find a VAG independent to get advice on a replacement for the rear that would be suitable.

To find out what springs were factory fitted, check the build codes or the coloured dots on the springs (if they are original).

 

For example, if you had build code PR-L30 or 1 grey dot and 1 violet dot, that would mean that the front springs have OEM number 5Q0411105HR.

 

For the front springs, you are looking for a number between L02 and L35.

 

For the rear springs, you are looking for a number between 1JB+0YB and 1JB+0YE.

 

Some of the build codes are on a white label attached to the car somewhere in the boot area.

 

You can use this "VW Group Option Codes Decoder" to make sense of what the build codes mean.

 

 http://igorweb.org/equidec.aspx

 

For example, in the above link the build code 1JB = Rear shock absorption for rough-road design

front axle, steering | Skoda Octavia 2016, coil spring

 

1	5Q0411105GF	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	blue orange
(1)	5Q0411105GG	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	blue red Model data: PR-L02
(1)	5Q0411105GH	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	blue violet Model data: PR-L03
(1)	5Q0411105GJ	coil spring 2 paint marks	blue Model data: PR-L04
(1)	5Q0411105GK	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	blue green Model data: PR-L05
(1)	5Q0411105GL	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	blue brown Model data: PR-L06
(1)	5Q0411105GM	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	blue grey Model data: PR-L07
(1)	5Q0411105GN	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	green white Model data: PR-L08
(1)	5Q0411105GP	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	green yellow Model data: PR-L09
(1)	5Q0411105GQ	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	green orange Model data: PR-L10
(1)	5Q0411105GS	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	green violet Model data: PR-L12
(1)	5Q0411105GT	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	green blue Model data: PR-L13
(1)	5Q0411105HA	coil spring 2 paint marks	green Model data: PR-L14
(1)	5Q0411105HB	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	green brown Model data: PR-L15
(1)	5Q0411105HC	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	green grey Model data: PR-L16
(1)	5Q0411105HD	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	brown white Model data: PR-L17
(1)	5Q0411105HE	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	brown yellow Model data: PR-L18
(1)	5Q0411105HF	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	brown orange Model data: PR-L19
(1)	5Q0411105HG	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	Model data: PR-L20
(1)	5Q0411105HJ	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	blue brown Model data: PR-L23
(1)	5Q0411105HK	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	brown green Model data: PR-L24
(1)	5Q0411105HL	coil spring 2 paint marks	brown Model data: PR-L25
(1)	5Q0411105HM	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	brown grey Model data: PR-L26
(1)	5Q0411105HN	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	grey yellow Model data: PR-L27
(1)	5Q0411105HP	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	grey orange Model data: PR-L28
(1)	5Q0411105HQ	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	grey red Model data: PR-L29
(1)	5Q0411105HR	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	grey violet Model data: PR-L30
(1)	5Q0411105HS	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	grey blue Model data: PR-L31
(1)	5Q0411105HT	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	grey green Model data: PR-L32
(1)	5Q0411105KM	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	white orange green Model data: PR-L33
(1)	5Q0411105KN	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	white orange brown Model data: PR-L34
(1)	5Q0411105KP	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	white orange grey Model data: PR-L35

 

http://www.oemepc.com/skoda/part_single/catalog/sk/markt/CZ/modell/OCT/year/2016/drive_standart/753/hg_ug/411/subcategory/411030/part_id/2543614/lang/e

rear axle | Skoda Octavia 2016, suspension impact padding SCOUT 4wd PR-0N4,1JB

 

(1)	5Q0511115L	coil spring	Model data: PR-1JB+0YB
1	5Q0511115AL	coil spring	Model data: PR-1JB+0YC
(1)	5Q0511115AM	coil spring	Model data: PR-1JB,0YD
(1)	5Q0511115AN	coil spring	Model data: PR-1JB+0YE

 

http://www.oemepc.com/skoda/part_single/catalog/sk/markt/CZ/modell/OCT/year/2016/drive_standart/753/hg_ug/511/subcategory/511010/part_id/2563429/lang/e

 

Edited 26 January, 20215 yr by Carlston

@wallacebob For the rear ones you may need to crawl under the car.. My 16' Scout has no build code for the rear suspension, but only for the front:
 

G10 = Front shock absorption
L31 = Suspension range 31 installation control only, no requirement forecast

 

Other codes aren't related at all.

The clearance of mine is reduced as well. I'm following this topic with interest. Also wondering are L35 higher than L31 - are they ordered by height or it's just a code abbreviation?( thanks @Carlston :P )

12 hours ago, fr1nklyn said:

 

G10 = Front shock absorption
L31 = Suspension range 31 installation control only, no requirement forecast

Other codes aren't related at all. The clearance of mine is reduced as well. I'm following this topic with interest. Also wondering are L35 higher than L31 - are they ordered by height or it's just a code abbreviation?

 

5Q0411105HS

coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark

grey blue Model data: PR-L31

 

Build code L31 is for OEM number 5Q0411105HS.

 

On the gknautomotive website, Spidan 87966 is sold to replace OEM part number 5Q0411105HS.

 

Spidan 87966 has the following specifications:

 

Spring Design	Coil spring with constant wire diameter
Fitting Position	Front Axle
Thickness	13,00 mm
Length	326 mm
Outer diameter	152 mm
Weight	2,05 kg
Colour Coding	Grey, Blue

 

https://web.tecalliance.net/gkn/en/parts/1/87966/detail?query=5Q0411105HS&numberType=1&oe=5Q0411105HS&groups=188#@brc/search:Search%20by%20any%20number%205Q0411105HS;mandator:gkn;query:5Q0411105HS;groups:188;brands:1;pf:2;page:0/detail:87966;brandId:1;articleNo:87966;mandator:gkn;query:5Q0411105HS;numberType:1;oe:5Q0411105HS;groups:188

 

Many of the springs won't be suitable for the Scout model. Some are standard ride height springs. There is not necessarily any pattern as you go down the list of springs. For example, L32 isn't necessarily related to L31. You might not be able to find any matching aftermarket springs to many of the OEM part numbers given above.

 

Edited 27 January, 20215 yr by Carlston

Thank you @Carlston! Appreciate your detailed reply

Thanks for the info: it does confuse me! This is the sticker in my boot, where will I find the build codes?

 

2 hours ago, wallacebob said:

Thanks for the info: it does confuse me! This is the sticker in my boot, where will I find the build codes?

 

Your suspension codes are: G09 which is general code for front shocks and L30 is for the front suspension range, but nothing is mentioned for the rear. I used the tool provided by @Carlston - http://igorweb.org/equidec.aspx

 

G09 = Front shock absorption
L30 = Suspension range 30 installation control only, no requirement forecast
 

Edited 27 January, 20215 yr by fr1nklyn

Build code G09 means that the front shock absorbers have OEM part number 5Q0413023GB

 

(8)

5Q0413023GB

gas shock absorber

49,6MM Model data: PR-G09

 

http://www.oemepc.com/skoda/part_single/catalog/sk/markt/CZ/modell/OCT/year/2016/drive_standart/753/hg_ug/411/subcategory/411002/part_id/2561497/lang/e

 

Build code L30 means that the front springs have OEM part number 5Q0411105HR

 

(1)

5Q0411105HR

coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark

grey violet Model data: PR-L30

 

http://www.oemepc.com/skoda/part_single/catalog/sk/markt/CZ/modell/OCT/year/2016/drive_standart/753/hg_ug/411/subcategory/411030/part_id/2543614/lang/e

 

Spidan 87965 (OEM number 5Q0411105HR)

 

Spring Design	Coil spring with constant wire diameter
Fitting Position	Front Axle
Thickness	12,75 mm
Length	335 mm
Outer diameter	152 mm
Weight	1,95 kg
Colour Coding	Grey, Deep Pink

 

https://web.tecalliance.net/gkn/en/parts/1/87965/detail?query=5Q0411105HR&numberType=1&oe=5Q0411105HR&groups=188#@brc/search:Search%20by%20any%20number%205Q0411105HR;mandator:gkn;query:5Q0411105HR;groups:188;brands:1;pf:2;page:0/detail:87965;brandId:1;articleNo:87965;mandator:gkn;query:5Q0411105HR;numberType:1;oe:5Q0411105HR;groups:188

 

One of the vehicles that the gknautomotive online catalogue shows the Spidan 87965 front springs as being suitable for is the Skoda Octavia Estate 2.0TDI 4x4 Scout 150HP with manual gearbox.

 

Edited 27 January, 20215 yr by Carlston

The front KYB 3348039 shock absorber is sold to replace the following 29 OEM part numbers, which includes 5Q0413023GB. As you can see, it's a one size fits all approach when it comes to aftermarket shock absorbers.

 

5Q0413023CP

5Q0413023DA

5Q0413023DB

5Q0413023DQ

5Q0413023DR

5Q0413023EB

5Q0413023EP

5Q0413023EQ

5Q0413023ER

5Q0413023FH

5Q0413023FJ

5Q0413023FK

5Q0413023FL

5Q0413023FM

5Q0413023FN

5Q0413023FP

5Q0413023FQ

5Q0413023GB

5Q0413023GG

5Q0413023GH

5Q0413023GJ

5Q0413023GK

5Q0413023GN

5Q0413023GP

5Q0413023GQ

5Q0413023GR

5Q0413023GS

8V0413023C

8V0413023D

 

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/car-parts/oem/5q0413023gb?search=OEN+5Q0413023GB&supplier[0]=85

 

I suspect Bilstein 22-230522 could also be used to replace OEM part number 5Q0413023GB, although this OEM part number isn't specifically mentioned in the Bilstein listing on autodoc. However, there are 9 OEM part numbers that are mentioned in the Bilstein listing that are also mentioned in the KYB 3348039 listing. Plus the length of the KYB is listed at 550mm and the length of the Bilstein is listed at a very similar 548mm. They both have a 50mm strut diameter.

 

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/bilstein/7503786

 

Edited 27 January, 20215 yr by Carlston

Thanks for useful info, any place I can see parts for rear springs and shocks?

 

8 hours ago, wallacebob said:

Thanks for useful info, any place I can see parts for rear springs and shocks?

 

Is your car an Octavia MK3 Estate 2.0TDi 150HP 4x4 Scout with manual gearbox (ie. not DSG)?

Kilen 65073 is sold to replace both the 1K0511115CS rear spring from the Octavia MK2 and the 5Q0511115AM rear spring from the Octavia MK3.

 

Spidan 86501 is sold to replace 1K0511115CS

 

Spring Design	Coil spring with constant wire diameter
Fitting Position	Rear Axle
Thickness	12,75 mm
Length	382 mm
Outer diameter	117 mm
Weight	2,60 kg

 

https://web.tecalliance.net/gkn/en/parts/1/86501/detail?query=1K0511115CS&numberType=1&oe=1K0511115CS&groups=188#@brc/search:Search%20by%20any%20number%201K0511115CS;mandator:gkn;query:1K0511115CS;groups:188;brands:1;pf:2;page:0/detail:86501;brandId:1;articleNo:86501;mandator:gkn;query:1K0511115CS;numberType:1;oe:1K0511115CS;groups:188

 

Spidan 87970 is sold to replace 5Q0511115AM

 

Spring Design	Coil spring with constant wire diameter
Fitting Position	Front Axle
Thickness	12,75 mm
Length	383 mm
Outer diameter	117 mm
Weight	2,60 kg

 

https://web.tecalliance.net/gkn/en/parts/1/87970/detail?query=5Q0511115AM&numberType=1&oe=5Q0511115AM&groups=188#@brc/search:Search%20by%20any%20number%205Q0511115AM;mandator:gkn;query:5Q0511115AM;groups:188;brands:1;pf:2;page:0/detail:87970;brandId:1;articleNo:87970;mandator:gkn;query:5Q0511115AM;numberType:1;oe:5Q0511115AM;groups:188

 

So without realising it, it appears that Spidan have made two almost identical rear springs and are selling them under different model numbers.

 

Aftermarket rear springs that are sold to replace 1K0511115CS are often a lot cheaper than aftermarket rear springs that are sold to replace 5Q0511115AM.

 

With companies like autodoc, if you pay a little extra (about £3 or £4 last time I looked) autodoc will pay for the return postage to Germany on parts that you don't want.

 

autodoc are charging about 60% more for the Sachs rear spring that is sold to replace 5Q0511115AM than the Sachs rear spring that is sold to replace 1K0511115CS. Hence, if these really are virtually identical rear springs, getting the MK2 rear spring could save about £40 on just the rear springs alone.

 

Edited 29 January, 20215 yr by Carlston

On 28/01/2021 at 11:19, wallacebob said:

Thanks for useful info, any place I can see parts for rear springs and shocks?

 

For Sachs springs try superbcarparts on ebay.co.uk

 

superbcarparts sell them in pairs X2 at often the best prices on ebay. They have thousands of listings and excellent feedback.

 

If they don't have a current listing for the springs that you want, they can often order them for you at competitive prices.

 

For example, I just got a quote from superbcarparts for the following Sachs springs for the Octavia MK3 2.0TDi 150HP 4x4 Scout with manual gearbox.

 

x2 Sachs 993959 front springs which matches OEM number 5Q0411105HR £90 for two springs.

 

x2 Sachs 992102 rear springs which matches OEM number 5Q0511115AM £100 for two springs.

 

superbcarparts on ebay.co.uk are usually cheaper than autodoc for Sachs springs, and unlike autodoc, superbcarparts include free postage.

 

Edited 29 January, 20215 yr by Carlston

Excellent; I’ll get the wheel off tomorrow for a look and measure the springs.

5 hours ago, wallacebob said:

Excellent; I’ll get the wheel off tomorrow for a look and measure the springs.

 

If the front springs have 1 grey dot and 1 violet dot they are OEM part number 5Q0411105HR, which matches the L30 build code. 

 

I can't find coloured dots for the rear springs, so I will list the length, spring coil thickness, and weight of the three rear springs that might be fitted to the rear of an Octavia MK3 4x4 Scout. I think you have 5Q0511115AM. 5Q0511115AL is the next weight/stiffness down and 5Q0511115AN is the next weight/stiffness up.

 

When the rear springs are fitted to the car, the easiest way to decide which of these three springs you have, is to measure the spring coil thickness with digital calipers.

 

If you have the rear spring with Coil Spring Thickness 12.75mm, then your digital calipers might read 0.1mm more, ie. 12.85mm as the 12.75mm reading won't include the paint. When you take the rear spring off the car, a good way to check what rear spring you have is to weigh it on some digital kitchen scales and compare the reading to the weights that I have listed below.

 

5Q0511115AL Length 378mm, Coil Spring Thickness 12.50mm, Weight 2.45kg

 

5Q0511115AM Length 383mm, Coil Spring Thickness 12.75mm, Weight 2.6kg

 

5Q0511115AN Length 382mm, Coil Spring Thickness 13.00mm, Weight 2.75kg

 

Edited 30 January, 20215 yr by Carlston

On 28/01/2021 at 11:19, wallacebob said:

Thanks for useful info, any place I can see parts for shock absorbers?

 

According to autodoc the Bilstein 19-230559 rear shock absorber fits the Octavia MK3 Estate 2.0TDi 4x4 150HP. It doesn't specifically mention the Scout, but it does say that it is suitable for off-road suspension...although it also says it's suitable for standard suspension and sports suspension. So you might want to find out the OEM number of your rear shock absorbers, so that you can compare it with the list that the Bilstein 19-230559 has.

 

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/car-parts/shock-absorber-10221/skoda/octavia/octavia-combi-5e5/59490-2-0-tdi-4x4?criteria[100]=HA&supplier[0]=16&supplier[1]=16

 

Bilstein 19-230559 can replace the following OEM numbers:

 

5QM513029A

5QM513029AC

5QM513029M

5Q0513029BQ

5Q0513029DA

5Q0513029DB

5Q0513029DP

5Q0513029DQ

5Q0513029DR

5Q0513029DS

5Q0513029EM

5Q0513029EN

5Q0513029GL

 

Bilstein 19-230559 is for build codes 0N4, G01, G02, G03, G04.

 

The Bilstein B6 won't fit because that's for standard suspension.

 

The Bilstein B8 won't fit because that's for sports suspension.

 

Edited 30 January, 20215 yr by Carlston

The Bilstein 19-230559 front shock absorber is not suitable for the Scout with its off-road suspension, as it appears to have the same uncompressed length as the Bilstein B6 front shock absorber. It also doesn't say that it is a suitable replacement for the OEM number 5Q0413023GB.

 

It may be that Skoda shock absorbers would be better than aftermarket, if as I suspect no one is doing a close aftermarket match.

 

Maybe change the Scout to standard ride height with springs and shock absorbers from the 4x4 with standard ride height?

 

Edited 30 January, 20215 yr by Carlston

I can't believe the info: fantastic! I'l spend my lock down Saturday night reading through it all with a glass of something.

I checked spring today, it's 5Q0511115 AL, and 12.5 mm thickness, the softer of the three options. Label still attached. The only colour dot was a single yellow one. So, I may try to get 2 x  AN or equivalent to stiffen things up. Many thanks.

Having the softest of the three different rear springs makes the problem very easy to solve.

 

You may find that just fitting a new 5Q0511115AL would improve things if the original spring has started to sag, so maybe consider the middle 5Q0511115AM spring, but if you feel that you need more than a small increase in stiffness then the hardest spring would be the one to go for.

 

I've looked at the actual photos of all three springs on the gknautomotive website, and they all have about 8.5 coil turns and about the same uncompressed length. This makes it easy to do some maths to get a good idea of how much stiffer the medium and hard spring is compared to the softest spring.

 

The medium spring is about 4% stiffer than the softest spring, and the hardest spring is about 8% stiffer than the softest spring. So maybe your choice of the hardest rear spring would suit you best.

 

5Q0511115AL

https://web.tecalliance.net/gkn/en/parts/1/87730/detail?query=5Q0511115AL&numberType=1&oe=5Q0511115AL&groups=188#@brc/search:Search%20by%20any%20number%205Q0511115AL;mandator:gkn;query:5Q0511115AL;groups:188;brands:1;pf:2;page:0/detail:87730;brandId:1;articleNo:87730;mandator:gkn;query:5Q0511115AL;numberType:1;oe:5Q0511115AL;groups:188

 

5Q0511115AM

https://web.tecalliance.net/gkn/en/parts/1/87970/detail?query=5Q0511115AM&numberType=1&oe=5Q0511115AM&groups=188#@brc/search:Search%20by%20any%20number%205Q0511115AM;mandator:gkn;query:5Q0511115AM;groups:188;brands:1;pf:2;page:0/detail:87970;brandId:1;articleNo:87970;mandator:gkn;query:5Q0511115AM;numberType:1;oe:5Q0511115AM;groups:188

 

5Q0511115AN

https://web.tecalliance.net/gkn/en/parts/1/87971/detail?query=5Q0511115AN&numberType=1&oe=5Q0511115AN&groups=188#@brc/search:Search%20by%20any%20number%205Q0511115AN;mandator:gkn;query:5Q0511115AN;groups:188;brands:1;pf:2;page:0/detail:87971;brandId:1;articleNo:87971;mandator:gkn;query:5Q0511115AN;numberType:1;oe:5Q0511115AN;groups:188

 

Sachs 992103 matches OEM part number 5Q0511115AN

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/car-parts/oem/5q0511115an?search=OEN+5Q0511115AN&supplier[0]=32

 

superbcarparts on ebay quoted me £100 for two Sachs 992102 rear springs that match OEM part number 5Q0511115AM so I expect they would also do the Sachs 992103 for a similar/same price.

 

Edited 30 January, 20215 yr by Carlston

I've used these on my last 3 Scouts - my boot is always full (farm vet) and the helper springs make a huge difference.

 

When the car is unladen (rarely) the rear sits a little high but handling is fine.

 

Simply sit inside the current springs.

 

https://mad-suspension.co.uk/cars/

I ordered these : 

Sachs 992103 matches OEM part number 5Q0511115AN

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/car-parts/oem/5q0511115an?search=OEN+5Q0511115AN&supplier[0]=32

and was very pleased with Autodoc service. Springs are to the spec discussed above. I fitted them last week, following the guides that are available on Youtube , etc. Just search for golf mk7 or all track. I did the job with axle stands and a trolley jack, and it was reasonable easy to get it all back together.  I recommend clean all the bolt threads before disassembly to ease things up. 

The ride height is pretty similar un-loaded, but huge improvement when loaded - no sag. Definitely firmer on the rear, but I can tolerate that. I think handling is a bit sharper too, but I will get 4 wheel alignment done again soon to check things are OK. I still haven't towed yet, but I'm very pleased so far. For just over £100 it's great value too.

Many thanks for all the advice.

rear axle | Skoda Octavia MK2 2009, suspension shock absorber (spring cyl.) for models with heavy duty suspension rear sedan: fr.wheel drv PR-1JB

(1)	1K0511115CR	coil spring 1 paint mark 2 paint marks	red green Model data: PR-1JB+0YK
(1)	1K0511115CS	coil spring 1 paint mark 3 paint marks	red green Model data: PR-1JB+0YL
(1)	1K0511115CT	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	rear red brown Model data: PR-1JB+0YM

http://www.oemepc.com/skoda/part_single/catalog/sk/markt/CZ/modell/OCT/year/2009/drive_standart/663/hg_ug/511/subcategory/511010/part_id/0/lang/e

rear axle | Skoda Octavia MK3 2013, suspension impact padding SCOUT 4wd PR-0N4,1JB

1	5Q0511115AL	coil spring	Model data: PR-1JB+0YC
(1)	5Q0511115AM	coil spring	Model data: PR-1JB,0YD
(1)	5Q0511115AN	coil spring	Model data: PR-1JB+0YE

http://www.oemepc.com/skoda/part_single/catalog/sk/markt/CZ/modell/OCT/year/2013/drive_standart/753/hg_ug/511/subcategory/511010/part_id/0/lang/e

 

The following Octavia MK2 and Octavia MK3 rear springs appear to be the same, and interchangeable. You can compare the specifications such as wire diameter, length, outer diameter, number of coil turns, weight.

 

1K0511115CR is the same as 5Q0511115AL (Wire Diameter 12.5mm, Length 378-380mm, Outer Diameter 114-115mm, Weight 2.4-2.45kg)

 

https://web.tecalliance.net/gkn/en/parts/1/86359/detail?query=1K0511115CR&numberType=1&oe=1K0511115CR&groups=188#@brc/search:Search%20by%20any%20number%201K0511115CR;query:1K0511115CR;groups:188;brands:1;page:0/detail:86359;brandId:1;articleNo:86359;query:1K0511115CR;numberType:1;oe:1K0511115CR;groups:188

 

https://web.tecalliance.net/gkn/en/parts/1/87730/detail?query=5Q0511115AL&numberType=1&oe=5Q0511115AL&groups=188#@brc/search:Search%20by%20any%20number%205Q0511115AL;query:5Q0511115AL;groups:188;brands:1;page:0/detail:87730;brandId:1;articleNo:87730;query:5Q0511115AL;numberType:1;oe:5Q0511115AL;groups:188

 

1K0511115CS is the same as 5Q0511115AM (Wire Diameter 12.75mm, Length 382-383mm, Outer Diameter 117mm, Weight 2.6kg)

 

https://web.tecalliance.net/gkn/en/parts/1/86501/detail?query=1K0511115CS&numberType=1&oe=1K0511115CS&groups=188#@brc/search:Search%20by%20any%20number%201K0511115CS;query:1K0511115CS;groups:188;brands:1;page:0/detail:86501;brandId:1;articleNo:86501;query:1K0511115CS;numberType:1;oe:1K0511115CS;groups:188

 

https://web.tecalliance.net/gkn/en/parts/1/87970/detail?query=5Q0511115AM&numberType=1&oe=5Q0511115AM&groups=188#@brc/search:Search%20by%20any%20number%205Q0511115AM;query:5Q0511115AM;groups:188;brands:1;page:0/detail:87970;brandId:1;articleNo:87970;query:5Q0511115AM;numberType:1;oe:5Q0511115AM;groups:188

 

1K0511115CT is the same as 5Q0511115AN (Wire Diameter 13mm, Length 382-383mm, Outer Diameter 117-118mm, Weight 2.75-2.8kg)

 

https://web.tecalliance.net/gkn/en/parts/1/87414/detail?query=1K0511115CT&numberType=1&oe=1K0511115CT&groups=188#@brc/search:Search%20by%20any%20number%201K0511115CT;query:1K0511115CT;groups:188;brands:1;page:0/detail:87414;brandId:1;articleNo:87414;query:1K0511115CT;numberType:1;oe:1K0511115CT;groups:188

 

https://web.tecalliance.net/gkn/en/parts/1/87971/detail?query=5Q0511115AN&numberType=1&oe=5Q0511115AN&groups=188#@brc/search:Search%20by%20any%20number%205Q0511115AN;query:5Q0511115AN;groups:188;brands:1;page:0/detail:87971;brandId:1;articleNo:87971;query:5Q0511115AN;numberType:1;oe:5Q0511115AN;groups:188

 

KYB RH6426 matching 1K0511115CT is about £50 for the pair on ebay, and can be used to replace 5Q0511115AN. The Sachs 992103 matching 5Q0511115AN is about £100 for the pair.

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2x-Kayaba-RH6426-Rear-Suspension-Coil-Springs-OCTAVIA-II-SUPERB-II/223591301666?hash=item340f148222%3Ag%3AMdAAAOSwpc5dMCXZ&LH_ItemCondition=1000

 

The VW group may be hiding the fact that some of their newer cars are using springs from their older cars, ie. using more than one OEM part number for what is essentially the same spring.

 

When cars get older, replacement aftermarket springs tend to get cheaper. Car manufacturers make a lot of money selling springs, often charging between £60 to £120 for just one spring. It's therefore in the car manufacturer's interest to hide the fact that some of the springs used on newer models are actually from older models...like in the examples above.

 

Edited 5 April, 20215 yr by Carlston

Hijacking this slightly, 

On 05/04/2021 at 20:13, Carlston said:

rear axle | Skoda Octavia MK2 2009, suspension shock absorber (spring cyl.) for models with heavy duty suspension rear sedan: fr.wheel drv PR-1JB

(1)	1K0511115CR	coil spring 1 paint mark 2 paint marks	red green Model data: PR-1JB+0YK
(1)	1K0511115CS	coil spring 1 paint mark 3 paint marks	red green Model data: PR-1JB+0YL
(1)	1K0511115CT	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	rear red brown Model data: PR-1JB+0YM

http://www.oemepc.com/skoda/part_single/catalog/sk/markt/CZ/modell/OCT/year/2009/drive_standart/663/hg_ug/511/subcategory/511010/part_id/0/lang/e

rear axle | Skoda Octavia MK3 2013, suspension impact padding SCOUT 4wd PR-0N4,1JB

1	5Q0511115AL	coil spring	Model data: PR-1JB+0YC
(1)	5Q0511115AM	coil spring	Model data: PR-1JB,0YD
(1)	5Q0511115AN	coil spring	Model data: PR-1JB+0YE

http://www.oemepc.com/skoda/part_single/catalog/sk/markt/CZ/modell/OCT/year/2013/drive_standart/753/hg_ug/511/subcategory/511010/part_id/0/lang/e

 

The following Octavia MK2 and Octavia MK3 rear springs appear to be the same, and interchangeable. You can compare the specifications such as wire diameter, length, outer diameter, number of coil turns, weight.

 

1K0511115CR is the same as 5Q0511115AL (Wire Diameter 12.5mm, Length 378-380mm, Outer Diameter 114-115mm, Weight 2.4-2.45kg)

 

https://web.tecalliance.net/gkn/en/parts/1/86359/detail?query=1K0511115CR&numberType=1&oe=1K0511115CR&groups=188#@brc/search:Search%20by%20any%20number%201K0511115CR;query:1K0511115CR;groups:188;brands:1;page:0/detail:86359;brandId:1;articleNo:86359;query:1K0511115CR;numberType:1;oe:1K0511115CR;groups:188

 

https://web.tecalliance.net/gkn/en/parts/1/87730/detail?query=5Q0511115AL&numberType=1&oe=5Q0511115AL&groups=188#@brc/search:Search%20by%20any%20number%205Q0511115AL;query:5Q0511115AL;groups:188;brands:1;page:0/detail:87730;brandId:1;articleNo:87730;query:5Q0511115AL;numberType:1;oe:5Q0511115AL;groups:188

 

1K0511115CS is the same as 5Q0511115AM (Wire Diameter 12.75mm, Length 382-383mm, Outer Diameter 117mm, Weight 2.6kg)

 

https://web.tecalliance.net/gkn/en/parts/1/86501/detail?query=1K0511115CS&numberType=1&oe=1K0511115CS&groups=188#@brc/search:Search%20by%20any%20number%201K0511115CS;query:1K0511115CS;groups:188;brands:1;page:0/detail:86501;brandId:1;articleNo:86501;query:1K0511115CS;numberType:1;oe:1K0511115CS;groups:188

 

https://web.tecalliance.net/gkn/en/parts/1/87970/detail?query=5Q0511115AM&numberType=1&oe=5Q0511115AM&groups=188#@brc/search:Search%20by%20any%20number%205Q0511115AM;query:5Q0511115AM;groups:188;brands:1;page:0/detail:87970;brandId:1;articleNo:87970;query:5Q0511115AM;numberType:1;oe:5Q0511115AM;groups:188

 

1K0511115CT is the same as 5Q0511115AN (Wire Diameter 13mm, Length 382-383mm, Outer Diameter 117-118mm, Weight 2.75-2.8kg)

 

https://web.tecalliance.net/gkn/en/parts/1/87414/detail?query=1K0511115CT&numberType=1&oe=1K0511115CT&groups=188#@brc/search:Search%20by%20any%20number%201K0511115CT;query:1K0511115CT;groups:188;brands:1;page:0/detail:87414;brandId:1;articleNo:87414;query:1K0511115CT;numberType:1;oe:1K0511115CT;groups:188

 

https://web.tecalliance.net/gkn/en/parts/1/87971/detail?query=5Q0511115AN&numberType=1&oe=5Q0511115AN&groups=188#@brc/search:Search%20by%20any%20number%205Q0511115AN;query:5Q0511115AN;groups:188;brands:1;page:0/detail:87971;brandId:1;articleNo:87971;query:5Q0511115AN;numberType:1;oe:5Q0511115AN;groups:188

 

KYB RH6426 matching 1K0511115CT is about £50 for the pair on ebay, and can be used to replace 5Q0511115AN. The Sachs 992103 matching 5Q0511115AN is about £100 for the pair.

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2x-Kayaba-RH6426-Rear-Suspension-Coil-Springs-OCTAVIA-II-SUPERB-II/223591301666?hash=item340f148222%3Ag%3AMdAAAOSwpc5dMCXZ&LH_ItemCondition=1000

 

The VW group may be hiding the fact that some of their newer cars are using springs from their older cars, ie. using more than one OEM part number for what is essentially the same spring.

 

When cars get older, replacement aftermarket springs tend to get cheaper. Car manufacturers make a lot of money selling springs, often charging between £60 to £120 for just one spring. It's therefore in the car manufacturer's interest to hide the fact that some of the springs used on newer models are actually from older models...like in the examples above.

 

based on the info above, could I use these  https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KYB-HEAVY-DUTY-REAR-COIL-SPRING-FOR-SKODA-OCTAVIA-COMBI-1Z5-SUPERB-ESTATE-3T5/324010753655?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160727114228%26meid%3D7076dd06bac64b3d88ca0c7d407fb4a2%26pid%3D100290%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D324010753655%26itm%3D324010753655%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2060778%26brand%3DKYB&_trksid=p2060778.c100290.m3507

instead of the standard springs on my 2016 1.4tsi combi? 

6 hours ago, peter3197 said:

based on the info above, could I use these  https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KYB-HEAVY-DUTY-REAR-COIL-SPRING-FOR-SKODA-OCTAVIA-COMBI-1Z5-SUPERB-ESTATE-3T5/324010753655?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160727114228%26meid%3D7076dd06bac64b3d88ca0c7d407fb4a2%26pid%3D100290%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D324010753655%26itm%3D324010753655%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2060778%26brand%3DKYB&_trksid=p2060778.c100290.m3507

instead of the standard springs on my 2016 1.4tsi combi? 

 

1K0511115CT rear springs appear to have the same specification as 5Q0511115AN.

 

5Q0511115AN are the heaviest duty rear springs that Skoda list for the Octavia MK3 4x4 Scout. They aren't listed for the standard Octavia MK3 estate.

 

UC7 = Rear shock absorption, chassis with increased ride height

 

There are nine part numbers listed for the UC7 rear springs.

 

(1)	5Q0511121BA	coil spring	Model data: PR-UC7+0YA
(1)	5Q0511121BB	coil spring	Model data: PR-UC7+0YB
(1)	5Q0511121BC	coil spring	Model data: PR-UC7+0YC
(1)	5Q0511121BD	coil spring	Model data: PR-UC7+0YD
(1)	5Q0511121BE	coil spring	Model data: PR-UC7+0YE
(1)	5Q0511121BF	coil spring	Model data: PR-UC7+0YF
(1)	5Q0511121BG	coil spring	Model data: PR-UC7+0YG
(1)	5Q0511121BH	coil spring	Model data: PR-UC7+0YH
(1)	5Q0511121BJ	coil spring	Model data: PR-UC7+0YJ

 

http://www.oemepc.com/skoda/part_single/catalog/sk/markt/CZ/modell/OCT/year/2016/drive_standart/753/hg_ug/511/subcategory/511000/part_id/2562804/lang/e

 

Edited 8 April, 20215 yr by Carlston