Car won't drive or rev past 2000 rmp

[VRSFABIA2021]

Wondering if anyone would help me. Today I was driving to work when all of a sudden the car lost all power and wouldn't rev past 2000 revs. Managed to pull over on the hard shoulder but the car won't drive. I've put the car in drive but it won't go anywhere or rev past 2000. When in neutral it will rev freely, but when it's in gear it won't allow the car to rev up. 

Does anyone have any idea what might be the cause for this? 

No engine management lights on either? 

The car is a 2011 fabia VRS

 

Thanks 

 

Rob 

Edited 8 August, 2021 by VRSFABIA2021

[sepulchrave]

Sounds serious, total boost loss possibly, check all the boost pipework in case one has come adrift.

[KenONeill]

45 minutes ago, VRSFABIA2021 said:

Today I was driving to work when all of a sudden the car lost all power and wouldn't rev past 2000 revs.

Did you hear a pop or bang when it lost power? If so, I'd agree the diagnosis of a popped boost pipe.

[VRSFABIA2021]

I don't recall hearing anything. Is there any common places I should be looking? Also would this cause the revs to be only be restricted when in drive as it revs without any issues when in neutral. 

 

Thanks for the reply 

[Ootohere]

Unusual that there was no EPC light or Engine Management light. 

When there are too many misfires logged in a cycle the Turbo can be disabled, or 2 cyclinders can be shut down.

When the Supercharger Magnetic Clutch in the Water Pump goes you can usually still drive the car and get more than 2,000 rpm.

(The Exhaust Emissions light comes on.)

 

So basically being a twincharger you are going to see what has happened and why the ECU is trying to save the engine from being wrecked.

Supercharger comes in at 800 rpm, and Supercharge & Turbo 2,400-3,500 rpm and then just Turbo.

 

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Has anything been done to the car recently, any changes, plugs changed BOV fitted or anything?

 

EDIT.

I did the North Coast 500 with no Supercharger. 

It did more than 2,000 rpm but i kept to around 60 mph max for near 1,000 miles.  It did great MPG.

Edited 8 August, 2021 by e-Roottoot

[VRSFABIA2021]

2 minutes ago, e-Roottoot said:

Unusual that there was no EPC light or Engine Management light. 

When there are too many misfires logged in a cycle the Turbo can be disabled, or 2 cyclinders can be shut down.

When the Magnetic Clutch in the Water Pump goes you can usually still drive the car and get more than 2,000 rpm.

 

So basically being a twincharger you are going to see what has happened and why the ECU is trying to save the engine from being wrecked.

Supercharger comes in at 800 rpm, and Supercharge & Turbo 2,400-3,500 rpm and then just Turbo.

 

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Has anything been done to the car recently, any changes, plugs changed BOV fitted or anything?

It had a service around 2 weeks ago at the main dealer. They changed the spark plugs etc during the service. Other than that, the car has been looked after. No modifications etc 

[Ootohere]

There is your starter for 10.

So need to check fault codes.

You need to check closely the  airbox connection, then breathers, and the O rings on the Turbo Pipe to check.

Those plugs will need looked at, but strange there are no warning lights.   

 

 Not sure on the DSG being the issue as in the limiter.

[VRSFABIA2021]

Just come off the phone to skoda. Explained the symptoms and their tech believes the mechatronic unit has failed and will need to be replaced. 

Quoted £2000!!! 

 

Only owned the car for three months 😏

[Ootohere]

The first 30 mins of a Diagnostic is £60 according to Skoda Fixed Price Service & Maintenance.

THEY SHOULD DO THAT FREE SINCE THEY JUST SERVICED IT, THEY NEED TO CHECK THE CONNECTIONS.

They might want £100 plus VAT.  

They might be fair,  be sure to ask, but a MCU might well not be required when a Tech sees the car and you talk with one of those.

 

So best get talking with Automatic Gearbox Specialists that will diagnose the fault and not just get in a new MCU at a ridiculous cost and hourly rate to fix / install.

(They will only change MCU's, not use refurbished / repaired or the kit for the Accumulator.)

They might even have someplace else do the job as Parks Hamilton did with @Sittingbull 

(They got in a new MCU, messed up fitting and needed a 2nd and wanted him to pay for both.)

His was a 2012 CAVE Engine but with the DQ200 that was not part of the Service Campaign. Flashing Spanner cars.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/444617-7sp-dq200-dsg-failure  They can have all the gear and still little ideas or qualifications / experience.

2018 the cost was £1,750 for Diagnostic & a new MCU fitted.

 

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It needs someone that fixes DQ200 DSG's, so they can maybe get reconditioned Mechatronic Control Units's, or not change ones that are not the fault.

They need the software so you want a place that do DQ200's. Know what they are actually doing.

 

???

Does your car have a sticker in the boot showing that '34F7' was carried out since early 2014.

The Synthetic Oil changed to mineral and a Software Update.   Should have date done and a dealers stamp?

 

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/483018-gearbox-issue

 

 

Edited 9 August, 2021 by e-Roottoot

[VRSFABIA2021]

UPDATE WITH FAULT CODES. 

 

Had diagnostics on it this evening and has the following codes logged:

* P17BF 

* P0841

* P189C 

 

Been told that these suggest it is the mechatronic system which has failed. 😭😭 

[Mickmartin]

On 12/08/2021 at 20:35, VRSFABIA2021 said:

UPDATE WITH FAULT CODES. 

 

Had diagnostics on it this evening and has the following codes logged:

* P17BF 

* P0841

* P189C 

 

Been told that these suggest it is the mechatronic system which has failed. 😭😭 

 

Yep your correct, The accumulator in your mechatronic has lost hydraulic pressure, Very common fault. This is cause by almost microscopic cracks that eventually cause the accumulator to fail. The new part can be picked up for around £60-100 however and the big however is......How handy are you with tools? it can be changed on kerbside/driveway without removing the DQ200 gearbox.

 

If you aren't willing to change it yourself I'd highly recommend you explain to your local garage/mechanic of this job as they well all point you toward gearbox/DSG specialist that will charge you £1000 upwards, Most mechanics wont touch it as they think DSG'S are only to be meddled with by specialists, I disagree as its a fairly simple fix.

[VRSFABIA2021]

5 minutes ago, Mickmartin said:

 

Yep your correct, The accumulator in your mechatronic has lost hydraulic pressure, Very common fault. This is cause by almost microscopic cracks that eventually cause the accumulator to fail. The new part can be picked up for around £60-100 however and the big however is......How handy are you with tools? it can be changed on kerbside/driveway without removing the DQ200 gearbox.

 

If you aren't willing to change it yourself I'd highly recommend you explain to your local garage/mechanic of this job as they well all point you toward gearbox/DSG specialist that will charge you £1000 upwards, Most mechanics wont touch it as they think DSG'S are only to be meddled with by specialists, I disagree as its a fairly simple fix.

Thanks for letting me know but unfortunately I don't have any expertise. I spoke to a gear box specialist who have told me it's going to need the entire mechatronic system replaced, which will cost me £1080. That's not including the £240 it's going to cost me to get it towed to them. Skoda wanted £2000 to replace the mechatronic. 

 

Do you know what the fix is? 

 

Thanks for getting in touch 

[Mickmartin]

2 hours ago, VRSFABIA2021 said:

Thanks for letting me know but unfortunately I don't have any expertise. I spoke to a gear box specialist who have told me it's going to need the entire mechatronic system replaced, which will cost me £1080. That's not including the £240 it's going to cost me to get it towed to them. Skoda wanted £2000 to replace the mechatronic. 

 

Do you know what the fix is? 

 

Thanks for getting in touch 

 

Yeah mate, you have a couple of options....... But its advisable that you strip the mech down to see what the exact issue is, 90% of the time  its a hairline in the body of the accumlator.

 

Full kinergo costs about £260 - thats the body, accumulator, all gaskets,oil pan - Full repair kit

 

Speed kit - accumulator, sump gasket, seal - Speed kit

 

I'm positive you'll only need to replace this part thought  - DQ200 - Accumulator Housing and there's tons of tutorial videos online etc showing how to change the parts.

 

 I've seen people pay thousands for the same fix on here and other forums, Had garages tell people they need new clutches, gearboxes etc.......Now that the dq200 is such a common gearbox theres plenty of fixe's around.

 

[sepulchrave]

Find an independent VW specialist and ask for a quote to replace the accumulator only.

 

This isn't rocket science, you don't need a diagnosis, you don't have to pretend to know what you're talking about, just ask for a price for the job.

[Mickmartin]

22 minutes ago, sepulchrave said:

Find an independent VW specialist and ask for a quote to replace the accumulator only.

 

This isn't rocket science, you don't need a diagnosis, you don't have to pretend to know what you're talking about, just ask for a price for the job.

 

They'll send him packing and toward a DSG specialist or quote him for a recondition or whole new mech.

Edited 16 August, 2021 by Mickmartin

[sepulchrave]

2 hours ago, Mickmartin said:

 

They'll send him packing and toward a DSG specialist or quote him for a recondition or whole new mech.

 

So ask them, it's no use acting like a naughty puppy, if the motor trade sense weakness they'll go in hard and dry...

[VRSFABIA2021]

So finally got my car back. Was a whole new mechatronic system replacement which ended up costing £1200! 

Driving it the other day and now the bloody car is misfiring! I literally can't believe how many issues I've had with this car in the 2 months I've owned it. 

 

Fault codes are as follows:

P0300 

PO301C

P0304 

 

I'm praying to God that this is just a coil pack issue and nothing more serious. If so, does anyone have any recommendations for coil packs as I am reluctant to get skoda to replace them. 

[UrbanPanzer]

According to your codes,  cylinder 1 and 4 with misfires multiple times and random intervals.

 

If you had the plugs changed at the Dealer, I would be taking it back to them.

 

PS changing a coil pack is pretty straight forward job if your willing to try it.

Edited 6 September, 2021 by UrbanPanzer

[VRSFABIA2021]

1 hour ago, UrbanPanzer said:

According to your codes,  cylinder 1 and 4 with misfires multiple times and random intervals.

 

If you had the plugs changed at the Dealer, I would be taking it back to them.

 

PS changing a coil pack is pretty straight forward job if your willing to try it.

Yeah I had them changed last month by the dealer. I've called them and they have agreed to have a look over it tomorrow at no charge. 

Fingers crossed 😏

[Mickmartin]

16 hours ago, VRSFABIA2021 said:

So finally got my car back. Was a whole new mechatronic system replacement which ended up costing £1200! 

Driving it the other day and now the bloody car is misfiring! I literally can't believe how many issues I've had with this car in the 2 months I've owned it. 

 

Fault codes are as follows:

P0300 

PO301C

P0304 

 

I'm praying to God that this is just a coil pack issue and nothing more serious. If so, does anyone have any recommendations for coil packs as I am reluctant to get skoda to replace them. 

£1200 for £100 part is a sore one!

 

 

As for the misfires, Was it misfirng before it went in for the mech unit?

Edited 7 September, 2021 by Mickmartin

[VRSFABIA2021]

Just had a call from the dealership. Been told its the charcoal canister which is causing the car to misfire. Been told it will be £260 to have this changed. 

Before I commit to anything, have any of you guys experienced or know of misfires being caused by a knackered charcoal canister? 

 

Thanks in advance 

[sepulchrave]

I imagine they'll be changing the solenoid as well since that can cause misfiring if it's stuck.

[Breezy_Pete]

24 minutes ago, VRSFABIA2021 said:

Been told it will be £260 to have this changed. 

Before I commit to anything, have any of you guys experienced or know of misfires being caused by a knackered charcoal canister? 

Sounds wildly expensive for something you could pick up for <£30, and I would've thought quite unlikely to be the real issue.  

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[VRSFABIA2021]

8 minutes ago, sepulchrave said:

I imagine they'll be changing the solenoid as well since that can cause misfiring if it's stuck.

They changed the N80 intake valve in May! Which I'm sure is all part of the same system isn't it? 

6 minutes ago, Wino said:

Sounds wildly expensive for something you could pick up for <£30, and I would've thought quite unlikely to be the real issue.  

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That's my concern 

[sepulchrave]

28 minutes ago, VRSFABIA2021 said:

They changed the N80 intake valve in May! Which I'm sure is all part of the same system isn't it? 

That's my concern 

 

It is indeed, the charcoal canister is a lifetime fitment, there is no failure mode unless it's been physically damaged.