1 hour ago, Rooted said:

Mark Harper MP is the UK Transport Minister.

So maybe he is talking about the UK Motorway services and not just Englands.  '10 trial sites in England'.

 

*No Motorways so no Motorway Services north of Perth. so that will be the top 1/4 of Mainland UK. 

Talking about boosting the EV charging network by £70million at COP28 is one thing, actually doing it is another thing, and it's not like they have a good track record of delivering on promises, is it?

 

This might be a good time to slip into the conversation that so far the Rwanda scheme for stopping the boats has only cost a mere £240million and not a single person has been sent to Rwanda and if and when they do, the scheme only has the capacity of 100 people, so thats a cost of £2.4million per person, what a bargain. That £240million would do far more good being put into the improvement of the infrastructure here.

Edited 8 December, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

15 hours ago, lol-lol said:

Panama canal running lower and lower with its water level meaning moving bulk goods across America.

 

I cannot picture that scene 😀

 

And yet I so need something to prevent me from sleeping at night! 😄

13 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

you are ordered by the authorities to evacuate your house and the area due to a wildfire rapidly approaching your locality and all around the area is a forested area for several miles,

 

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

Those people live in those locations, rearing cattle etc so that the rest of the population can eat.

 

Tree dwelling cattle in the desert?

3 minutes ago, J.R. said:

 

 

Tree dwelling cattle in the desert?

Haha, there are large parts of desert and large parts full of trees etc and there are large parts with huge mining operations going on.🤔

How many should be giving up driving on roads & on the pavements in the next 15 years and maybe get a nice easy to get in and out motability scooter.

DAD 1 registration or Mum1, Gran 1 etc. 

Or get one that can go on the road with a proper Registration.

 

There is no banning of ICE vehicles to panic over if you are in your 60,s or older, they are only the banning of First Registering so buying new.  Now 12 years off.

 

The thing is that manufacturers need to be importing or building less ICE vehicles and first registering them in the next 12 years and meeting the EU and UK Fleet Average emissions.

12 minutes ago, Rooted said:

How many should be giving up driving on roads & on the pavements in the next 15 years and maybe get a nice easy to get in and out motability scooter.

DAD 1 registration or Mum1, Gran 1 etc. 

Or get one that can go on the road with a proper Registration.

 

There is no banning of ICE vehicles to panic over if you are in your 60,s or older, they are only the banning of First Registering so buying new.  Now 12 years off.

 

The thing is that manufacturers need to be importing or building less ICE vehicles and first registering them in the next 12 years and meeting the EU and UK Fleet Average emissions.

Never disputed any of that, and I don't have any issues with it either apart from the infrastructure needed to be there and the similar capability ICE in terms of range etc, ought to be in place and let the public adopt EV as I'm sure they would if they could match the abilities of ICE and were proven to safer, less expensive to run and insure and no more expensive to purchase. Banning of ICE should only ever become required if the public didn't switch over. 

 

Its back to the carrot or the stick approach and the carrot is the better option I feel. That could start with the powers in the world leading by example?

Edited 8 December, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

18 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Haha, there are large parts of desert and large parts full of trees etc and there are large parts with huge mining operations going on.🤔

 

No forests in the outback where people would be raising cattle.

 

Now if you had used the Blue Mountains as your example and not mentioned cattle then you would not have looked daft.

1 minute ago, J.R. said:

 

No forests in the outback where people would be raising cattle.

 

Now if you had used the Blue Mountains as your example and not mentioned cattle then you would not have looked daft.

OK, I may have got the terminology wrong, but you all know what I meant 😊

2 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Wrong the "over simplification" comment I made was not in relation to anything you had said, it was a reply to comments made by J.R., go back 12 posts and check it out.

 

That comment was made because of the comments he made by people who live in these remote areas, re walking etc with total disregard to just how dangerous and fast moving such events are. Those people live in those locations, rearing cattle etc so that the rest of the population can eat.

Wrong, back at you. Let's see the bold bits that is exactly what I've said: 

17 hours ago, J.R. said:

Why is your concern only regarding Outback Farmers, they will be the last people in the world to be reliant on public charging, they will already be keeping their fuel tanks topped off, carrying spares, wheels, tools, water and survival equipment. They will do exactly the same when they have EV's to maximise their savings from the free solar energy

 

They also know how to walk and protect themselves from natural hazards.

 

Its the numpties living in flats etc with no home charging, those that frequently run out of petrol and diesel and then call the breakdown services that are at risk, Darwin in action, pun intended.

To which you only replied regarding EV's and did not mention walking anywhere. 

17 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Over simplification, I think. So you could always be 100% sure that after your return home in the outback, late in the afternoon or evening from a trip into the nearest city or town, when the sun has gone down that you could recharge your EV to make sure that the battery was topped off then yes? Even if you plugged in the charger, if the power had gone due to fire, you could be at the mercy of the fire because your battery does not have enough charge to get you to safety.

If you are going to post a comment, expect it to be read by everyone. 

If you are going to argue the toss, at very least look back yourself. 

If you are going to ignore my accusation that you never previously acknowledged benefits of EV in the Auz outback, then don't acknowledge my post by quoting it. 

 

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

I agree, the UK is never really more than approximately 50 miles from some form of civilisation, but if that is how people are viewing this then its sad that they cannot see the bigger broader picture, for all of humanity.

So a few people cannot escape natural disaster is a concern for all of humanity. 

But rapid de-carbonisation to slow down climate change isn't a concern for all of humanity? 

Have you considered why we are seeing more frequent natural disasters?  Which looses more food production: death of a few farm owners or more frequent natural disasters? 

 

I sense car park fire fiasco all over again. I remember you said EV catching file when parked next to eachother was the holistic view. Ignoring risk factor and the need to de-carbonise. 

 

 

 

 

Once again, I don't see any point continuing this conversation. Because, as pointed out many times, we are armchair "expoerts", we are wasting our time arguing something that is 10+ years down the line. So I won't be wasting my time. Good day. 

 

Edited 8 December, 20232 yr by wyx087
typo, added more frequent natural disasters line.

@wyx087Sorry, but you wasted your time when all I did was to flag it up that the topic had been raised in the Australian parliament. It was everyone else who decided to jump on it and respond, reading more into it than was there. 

Great ski-ing in Australia.

Country perfect for EV,s,  power up to the mountains and generate electricity on the way back.

 

?

Any Briskoda members from down under with opinions of the plans this Government or the next have on risking so many lives with electrification or the exportation of so much fossil fuels and minerals around the world to harm others?

1 hour ago, J.R. said:

 

I cannot picture that scene 😀

 

And yet I so need something to prevent me from sleeping at night! 😄

 

Cargo ships waiting weeks for their slot to go thru Panama, almost quicker to go round bottom of Chile.  Maybe we will have ships attempting the NW Passage next summer...

Got to be a couple of million tonnes of shipping there.

Over 25,000 died during the construction. 

Ships I travelled on ie The Welsh City, was Panamax class, made to just fit thru. 72,000 tonnes bulk cargo capacity. 

 

7 minutes ago, Rooted said:

Great ski-ing in Australia.

Country perfect for EV,s,  power up to the mountains and generate electricity on the way back.

 

?

Any Briskoda members from down under with opinions of the plans this Government or the next have on risking so many lives with electrification or the exportation of so much fossil fuels and minerals around the world to harm others?

 

Use to be more snow in Australia than Austria and Switzerland put together. Maybe not so much now with climate change. Less snow just about everywhere. 

It was a joke, I was (mis)quoting the words of another contributor.

 

Safe in the knowledge that he would not have recalled using them 😀

33 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

If you are going to argue the toss, at very least look back yourself. 

 

That would seem an impossibility together with acknowledging what they have already said.

Are we learning much more about the truth of electric cars this week, the dangers, risks, negatives or positives and has anyone not getting one been in anyway swayed towards getting one or scared even more from even getting in one to flee from a forest fire or natural disaster.

 

Seemingly the second hand EV market has prices crashing and there is much cheapness about.

 

Seemingly the part of the UK that is England is in a dire state to cope with adverse weather and is just an ickle bit away from Black Outs. 

 

Best that the Fracking, Wind Farm and Battery Farm building gets underway and the Small Nuclear Modular plants.

Get the Royal Navy ready to cope with securing the seaways and the pipelines and the RAF overflying these as well. 

 

Island Nations need to be more self sufficient in energy and resources and the British Isles are not.

Well other than they can be with renewables.

 

 

 

 

Edited 8 December, 20232 yr by Rooted

24 minutes ago, Rooted said:

Are we learning much more about the truth of electric cars this week, the dangers, risks, negatives or positives and has anyone not getting one been in anyway swayed towards getting one or scared even more from even getting in one to flee from a forest fire or natural disaster.

 

Seemingly the second hand EV market has prices crashing and there is much cheapness about.

 

Seemingly the part of the UK that is England is in a dire state to cope with adverse weather and is just an ickle bit away from Black Outs. 

 

Best that the Fracking, Wind Farm and Battery Farm building gets underway and the Small Nuclear Modular plants.

Get the Royal Navy ready to cope with securing the seaways and the pipelines and the RAF overflying these as well. 

 

Island Nations need to be more self sufficient in energy and resources and the British Isles are not.

Well other than they can be with renewables.

I have not been swayed either way, when the time is right and the support systems are in place I could see myself considering the option, especially if the sums all work out in my favour, it is always going to be the carrot that will carry the most weight.

25 minutes ago, Rooted said:

Are we learning much more about the truth of electric cars this week, the dangers, risks, negatives or positives and has anyone not getting one been in anyway swayed towards getting one or scared even more from even getting in one to flee from a forest fire or natural disaster.

Seemingly the second hand EV market has prices crashing and there is much cheapness about.

Seemingly the part of the UK that is England is in a dire state to cope with adverse weather and is just an ickle bit away from Black Outs. 

Best that the Fracking, Wind Farm and Battery Farm building gets underway and the Small Nuclear Modular plants.

Get the Royal Navy ready to cope with securing the seaways and the pipelines and the RAF overflying these as well. 

Island Nations need to be more self sufficient in energy and resources and the British Isles are not.

Well other than they can be with renewables.

 

Second hand car prices are crashing at over 4% per month as the UK slips in to what feels like a recession even if it is not a technical one due to inflation making it not look quite so bad but turnover in volumes are well down we can see my imports and exports.

 

With Land Rovers it is even more pronounced maybe as they keep getting stolen or catching fire.

 

Interestingly on the Land Rover front, I see that Essex Police have discovered quite a few stolen top end Land Rovers in the last few days, packed in shipping containers awaiting shipment overseas and allegedly made some arrests. Certainly seems like the numbers being reported stolen on the local social media has dropped a lot. 

49 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Interestingly on the Land Rover front, I see that Essex Police have discovered quite a few stolen top end Land Rovers in the last few days, packed in shipping containers awaiting shipment overseas and- allegedly made some arrests. Certainly seems like the numbers being reported stolen on the local social media has dropped a lot. 

 

Big on going business.  Eastern Europe for many of them.  Only get one in a twenty footer or two in a 40 footer but containers are quite a cheap method of delivering all sorts of goods these days.  Less than a grand to many places in the world.   As big a cost is the getting the box to and from the ports which can cost similar to moving a container thousands of miles.

23 hours ago, @Lee said:

How do petrol stations operate without electricity or refineries etc etc  

During a month long power outage in Fleet Hampshire a few years ago the local Honda garage ran their petrol & diesel pumps from Honda generators...

On the Land Rover subject, earlier at my local single Rapid DC charger there was a 73 plate Discovery charging so a Plug in Hybrid & on the CCS so i checked the screen & it was @ 19% and getting 20kW.  

I thought quite impressive.     I just checked and it is a 15 kWh battery.  & i think they are supposed to be able to charge at 32kW.

 

 Good to get DC / CCS charging but at 41 pence a kWh is it worth it. 

 

 £6.15 to charge the battery.   

Maybe it is i have not checked out the miles per kWh they get in EV mode or with Battery and engine the MPG.  I will later.

I think Land rover sales may be down because it is not what it used to be

49 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

I think Land rover sales may be down because it is not what it used to be

 

Have they ever been high on the reliability scoring ?

 

Complex machines, except 2 wheel drive versions which there are some.

 

Some uk and other military, police etc go for them. Be interesting to see if cybertruck eventually take some of JLRs sales/supplies.

 

Dont know that there are any plans to let the Cybertruck escape from the U S of A