5 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

 words fail me.

 

Yeah right! As if that would ever happen!

 

Still I am ever the optimist.

 

It's not about whether he would inconvenience anybody that time, its the tone deafness of it, something shared with many of the influencers who think pavements and double yellow lines, preferably both and outside some luxury store (whose staff have to grit their teeth and smile at them) are reserved for them to be photographed in front of their flash car (probably hired) showing off their "haul"

Hmm

With the snow this morning (3") the the number of EVs  that were falling foul of the hill in our street was surprising, unable to slow enough to make the stop at the junction and equally number (probably) unable to maintain momentum / traction up the incline, could it be extra weight, higher tyre pressures ? driver ability ?

Edited 1 December, 20232 yr by Crucian

3 minutes ago, Crucian said:

Hmm

With the snow this morning (3") the the number of EVs  that were falling foul of the hill in our street was surprising, unable to slow enough to make the stop at the junction and equally number probably unable to maintain momentum / traction up the incline, could it be extra weight, higher tyre pressures ? driver ability ?

 

Could it be that they are not used to driving an automatic in snow/ice conditions?

@stonekeeper

Possibly

This just dropped in to my mailbox, I have seen similar from other sources in the past and had seen supportive material / reports to back up some of the claims. It now looks as if those sources have been taken down which had prevented me from posting before without the supporting evidence to support the claims. However, I am again seeing new reports springing up all over the place, so the question is, do these claims have any elements of truth in them or not?

 

 

Driving an EV might be like driving an Auto. But autos are good on snow.   Low profile eco bias EV tyres are not.   @Crucianwas it the likes of a Zoe or Leaf or bigger ones.  Just like Range Rover, Merc AWD,S etc in the North East on the wrong tyres that hold people up. ?

 

Edited 1 December, 20232 yr by Rooted

16 minutes ago, Crucian said:

Hmm

With the snow this morning (3") the the number of EVs  that were falling foul of the hill in our street was surprising, unable to slow enough to make the stop at the junction and equally number (probably) unable to maintain momentum / traction up the incline, could it be extra weight, higher tyre pressures ? driver ability ?

I remember my ex manager complaining bitterly to me that the Skoda Superbs were dangerous in snow and ice, which I found rather odd given that I have been driving nothing but Superbs since they were first released here in the UK back in 2002 with the Mk1 and I have never had any issues with them on snowy or icy roads and I'd be doing about 30-40,000 miles a year and I still drive one now I'm retired, the last 3 of which have been auto's, my old manager only ever had manuals. 

Aberdeen is crazy on an icy day as those in Prestige and performance cars think they can take rat runs and cobbled streets and can not pull away at junctions.   As for Glasgow it is BMW,s you see sliding into kerbs or on low loaders. 

1 minute ago, Rooted said:

Aberdeen is crazy on an icy day as those in Prestige and performance cars think they can take rat runs and cobbled streets and can not pull away at junctions.   As for Glasgow it is BMW,s you see sliding into kerbs or on low loaders. 

Yeah, many people have zero knowledge of how to drive under those conditions and seem incapable of using gentle inputs on the controls. Perhaps it goes with the big powerful cars that they are so used to giving it the big old heavy boot that just can't help themselves?

Old biddies get old by living a long time and seeing many winters.   Even those that do not check tyre pressures or treads or still drive old cars or newer with narrower tyres and lighter cars seldom seem to have issues in winter.  Maybe they just drive as the road condition and under foot suits them or they remember Cross Ply,s and drive to the conditions and Paddy Hopkirk doing Snow Rallies in a Mini.   Or them driving whatever in the 50,s and 60,s.    

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Edited 1 December, 20232 yr by Gaz
Content irrelevant to thread

A good observation.

 

I definitely honed my skills on old nails with skinny balding cross ply tyres, snow was a summons to go out and play, sometimes with not so good consequences.

 

Anybody remember James Hunt owning an A35 van and his comments on why he did so?

 

I took my driving test in a complete nail of an A35, I had bolted up tight the sliding clevis to the mechanical rear brakes from the master cylinder, it was the only way to get them to work (for my limited experience), it meant when you braked hard the handbrake lever came up and held the brakes on with its ratchet, as the lever was between the drivers seat and door I thought the examiner would not notice me repeatedly releasing it, quite the opposite but I believe he realised that if I was capable of double declutching (syncro was shot on all gears) while keeping a straight trajectory against the wheel shimmy with one hand while pushing the handbrake down with the other I perhaps deserved to pass.

 

I took my test 14 days after my birthday and had no driving lessons from anybody, when he told me I had passed and asked for my license he saw that it was already full of endorsements 😒

1 hour ago, Crucian said:

Hmm

With the snow this morning (3") the the number of EVs  that were falling foul of the hill in our street was surprising, unable to slow enough to make the stop at the junction and equally number (probably) unable to maintain momentum / traction up the incline, could it be extra weight, higher tyre pressures ? driver ability ?

It's probably driver error and eco tyres.

 

AWD EV with aids should be about the same as the well established Audi quattro with aids. The Audi only pulls ahead when driver who knows what they are doing turns off the assistive systems.

 

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I saw this on SM and I have to ask if anyone knows if this is true? Seems just daft to me 🤷 

 

 

 

 

It is very daft if true.

 

But I've no idea if it's optical illusion, the two looks like different stages of (pre-)production. The top has a strange rear passenger window, like a fake window with cardboard covering it. The lower one has no side mirrors, may be first prototype shown on the unveil stage? The rear light black area also looks different height between the two.

 

As a product, the whole thing is daft. There's some cool tech inside, hopefully will trickle down to regular car (3/Y), such as steer-by-wire, rear wheel steering, V2L.

13 hours ago, wyx087 said:

What. The. F***

https://www.tesla.com/en_gb/cybertruck

Tesla truck weight:  6,843 KG

Ah, someone made a mistake at Tesla, still isn't corrected on UK website.

https://www.tesla.com/cybertruck

It's 6,843 lbs on US website, which is about 3,100 kg.

 

More reasonable than the Hummer EV, which is 4,373 kg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GMC_Hummer_EV

9 hours ago, wyx087 said:

Ah, someone made a mistake at Tesla, still isn't corrected on UK website.

https://www.tesla.com/cybertruck

It's 6,843 lbs on US website, which is about 3,100 kg.

3,100kg is still pretty close to the limit on a standard post-1996 UK licence of 3,500kg - so any "extra load" version that Tesla might introduce would have a more limited market in the UK.

10 hours ago, @Lee said:

I saw this on SM and I have to ask if anyone knows if this is true? Seems just daft to me 🤷 

 

 

 

 

Looking at those photos, it is not clear at all. The top photo only shows one light with what seems like a brake light on, yes I know there is the centre light that we think is a centre brake light, but is it in reality? The bottom photo clearly shows a full width rear light, which has no fewer than 5 spots of far higher intensity, 3 of them in the centre and one on each side. The fact that the traffic light is green means nothing at all as we are not able to see to see if the road in front is clear or not. I've sat in jams before at the lights and watched them go through a few cycles before I was able to move a wheel.

This chap just made it home in his Renault Zoe with limited performance.

 

(2825) Renault Zoe in -7 degrees , Did I make it home ? - YouTube

I stopped using Kinross at the park and ride which stayed free while Fife council charged elsewhere because they never owned the car park because of the 2 BMW i3,s that hogged the 2 rapids that worked and the other was hit or miss.  There is charging at the Services but expensive.   I must look in past again sometime .    Ps. Why was he in Fife?.    Abington. Past Stirling.  Stirling Castle View park and ride.  Or Achterarder then Perth to Inverness.  Aviemore Tesla non Tesla if needs must. 

Edited 2 December, 20232 yr by Rooted

2 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

This chap just made it home in his Renault Zoe with limited performance.

 

(2825) Renault Zoe in -7 degrees , Did I make it home ? - YouTube

 

He was very confident that he would make it home even though the range figure was down to a couple of miles and the limited performance still allowed to him to up to 50 mph which is plenty on Orkney.

 

Zoe has about a 2 kWh buffer which will allow one to go several miles past zero, just like an ICE car but without the cavitation on the fuel pump damage.

 

Zoe has been the range King, or perhaps Queen, for the last 4 years or so and is good in winters as models are fitted with Heat Pump.  Heated seats were on the shortage list when I got my Riviera model so I fitted and after market one and that helps mileage rather than heating the whole cabin to 20C plus.

 

I reckon I can get over 200 miles even in zero C conditions using ECO and heated driving seat.

 

It 

 

 

 

Edited 2 December, 20232 yr by lol-lol

He replied on YouTube.  At Kinross to reminisce.     I like to reminisce but miles out of the route in poor weather in an EV and I will do it at reliable locations.  

Modern Hero's has just posted a good balanced review of EV ownership from a charging view point, using his recent John O' Groats to Lands End trip where home charging is not available to him, well done, it makes a change from all the home charging people who provide a really skewed viewpoint.

 

 

Saved lots at Aviemore with Tesla non Tesla rather than slow Charge Place Scotland Public Toilet Car park 70 pence a kWh and £1 a minute after 45 minutes.

The Wilderness Scotland charger 22 kw is 145 pence first kWh then 45 pence. £5.00 overstay after 3 hours.

 

Stirling Council Chargers / including Castle View are 35 pence a kWh, max 40 minutes, £1 a minute over, and no return for 90 minutes, / Farce.

The short version: No drama, no queuing, quite expensive.

 

Clearly the title is taking the mick out of the other guy who likes to seek out unsuitable 2-stall locations.