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Not going to look or correct any other errors from him, but the Forthside Car Park chargers are 35 pence a kWh not 40 pence.

 

41 kwh @ 35 pence is £14.35,   so that is his £14.34.  

7 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

The short version: No drama, no queuing, quite expensive.

 

Clearly the title is taking the mick out of the other guy who likes to seek out unsuitable 2-stall locations.

Well no, not really, we all know that situations are somewhat fluid, and no 2 days are ever the same. To be truly representative, he needed to be doing the identical same route as the other pair and on the same day and time.

48 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

The short version: No drama, no queuing, quite expensive.

 

Clearly the title is taking the mick out of the other guy who likes to seek out unsuitable 2-stall locations.

 

Think he lives around Gloucester so he, as i would in Worcester, have popped home and charged overnight for a tenth of the price.

 

Polestar 2 doing 3 miles per kilowatt hour, it is no TESLA.

 

43 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Well no, not really, we all know that situations are somewhat fluid, and no 2 days are ever the same. To be truly representative, he needed to be doing the identical same route as the other pair and on the same day and time.

 

But Mac Master is a wally.

When using M40 most EV drivers know to use Banbury and not Oxford or Chiverly or Warwick. 

 

56 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

The short version: No drama, no queuing, quite expensive.

 

Thanks for that, it saved me watching another video which might have wound me up/bored me/had me shouting and spraying spittle at the screen.

59 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Well no, not really, we all know that situations are somewhat fluid, and no 2 days are ever the same. To be truly representative, he needed to be doing the identical same route as the other pair and on the same day and time.

It's clear <4 stall charging location are prone to queuing. Then why go to those locations in the first place?

 

I think in his kick-off video, this Polestar 2 rental guy said something about setting filtering to 4 stalls as minimum (or was it a different number?). He managed the trip absolutely zero problem.

 

Easy to filter out few stalls locations. In this route, every single charging stop have 6 or more charger stalls:

https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=ada94ab4-0eb7-4725-a4d2-91be8fc048fd

17 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

But Mac Master is a wally.

When using M40 most EV drivers know to use Banbury and not Oxford or Chiverly or Warwick. 

 

Regardless of the Mac Master being a wally or not, I completely disagree with your theory about EV drivers knowing which motorway services to visit and which one to miss, its rather like saying that every ICE driver knows which service station to visit and those to miss. Are you speaking from being reasonably local to them and therefore may have either experienced them first hand or have been tipped off about them?

16 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

It's clear <4 stall charging location are prone to queuing. Then why go to those locations in the first place?

 

I think in his kick-off video, this Polestar 2 rental guy said something about setting filtering to 4 stalls as minimum (or was it a different number?). He managed the trip absolutely zero problem.

 

Easy to filter out few stalls locations. In this route, every single charging stop have 6 or more charger stalls:

https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=ada94ab4-0eb7-4725-a4d2-91be8fc048fd

I totally agree but however my point about routes and timing/day still stand and also both you and the Polestar 2 guy are assuming that the Mac Master has/had or even knew about the route planner that you are referring to. Unless you can be 100% certain that Mac Master had, or used that APP, then your comment is not valid. It may be that other APPs have the same functionality, I don't know as I have no need to avail myself of that particular knowledge.

 

But I stand by the premise that to be a fair comparison, Polestar guy needed to be doing that at the same time and day as Mac Master and then the difference would be down to what ever advanced planning and route / charging APP each used and then crunch the numbers at the end of the trip. That way they would both encounter the same traffic/weather problems, and the game changer would then be the choice of venue to charge.

Edited 4 December, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

11 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Regardless of the Mac Master being a wally or not, I completely disagree with your theory about EV drivers knowing which motorway services to visit and which one to miss, its rather like saying that every ICE driver knows which service station to visit and those to miss. Are you speaking from being reasonably local to them and therefore may have either experienced them first hand or have been tipped off about them?

 

I get newsletters from several sources on new charger stations with dozen or more chargers.

 

My Zoe gives me real-time info on whether charging stations stalls are all in use or not indicated as green or red.  Information is about a century ahead of what ice drivers have.

 

I waited quarter of an hour to get petrol at Asda J2 on M5, never waited that long for a charge in EV.

 

21 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

I get newsletters from several sources on new charger stations with dozen or more chargers.

 

My Zoe gives me real-time info on whether charging stations stalls are all in use or not indicated as green or red.  Information is about a century ahead of what ice drivers have.

 

I waited quarter of an hour to get petrol at Asda J2 on M5, never waited that long for a charge in EV.

 

You have revealed inside knowledge about your Zoe providing you with advanced info in real time, maybe the Porsche does not have such systems, do other EV cars boast such innovations I wonder? Also, Asda at J2 of the M5 is not what I call motorway services, and it just so happens to be a very busy area and heavily populated area, being as it is part of Birmingham, is a popular spot for locals to get their petrol as Asda at one time had the lowest prices in the area. I used to be a regular visitor to that of the country for exhibitions at the NEC, factory visits, sales meeting and conferences in Walsall and West Bromwich, the latter is on the opposite side of the M5 at J2.

 

With newsletters, more power to you, but maybe Mac Master does not get them, who knows?

Edited 4 December, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

25 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

That way they would both encounter the same traffic/weather problems, and the game changer would then be the choice of venue to charge.

Traffic and weather wouldn't affect the likelihood of charger queues. Volume of cars on the day will affect amount of cars visiting chargers. But having more charger stalls will always reduce or eliminate queuing, this is consistent regardless of all other variables you've mentioned.

 

So why would Taycan drama-queen visit 2-stall locations, I wonder?

 

9 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

You have revealed inside knowledge about your Zoe providing you with advanced info in real time, maybe the Porsche does not have such systems, do other EV cars boast such innovations I wonder?

Are you suggesting a £100,000+ flagship EV from VAG has worse infotainment than one of cheapest supermini EV?

 

If you are really asking, Tesla cars of course shows all the Tesla supercharger live availabilities. It also shows estimated wait time and route people to less busy charging locations whenever possible. This level of integration is consistent across the Tesla fleet, from 9 year old car to newest car.

 

Of course, my 9 years old Nissan Leaf only shows charging locations, don't have live data and number of stalls. Are Taycan guy videos giving the viewer the impression that his car has same level of tech as my 9 year old first-gen EV?

36 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

Traffic and weather wouldn't affect the likelihood of charger queues. Volume of cars on the day will affect amount of cars visiting chargers. But having more charger stalls will always reduce or eliminate queuing, this is consistent regardless of all other variables you've mentioned.

 

So why would Taycan drama-queen visit 2-stall locations, I wonder?

 

Are you suggesting a £100,000+ flagship EV from VAG has worse infotainment than one of cheapest supermini EV?

 

If you are really asking, Tesla cars of course shows all the Tesla supercharger live availabilities. It also shows estimated wait time and route people to less busy charging locations whenever possible. This level of integration is consistent across the Tesla fleet, from 9 year old car to newest car.

 

Of course, my 9 years old Nissan Leaf only shows charging locations, don't have live data and number of stalls. Are Taycan guy videos giving the viewer the impression that his car has same level of tech as my 9 year old first-gen EV?

Well, traffic/weather conditions would make a difference on the effective range of each charge, and also the volume of cars visiting the chargers on different days could be miles apart in numbers both because of the day itself and also the time of day, and of course having more charging bays is better, but is not guaranteed to eliminate queueing, as those with local knowledge will levitate to those locations surely?

 

As to why Taycan man went to those 2 stall locations, I can't tell you, I wasn't there so I'm as much in the dark as you are on that point.

 

As to the infotainment systems on the Taycan, Zoe, Leaf etc, I have no idea on what they offer, but what I can tell you is that there are wide differences in what different manufactures build in to their systems, some look sound quality, others at the traffic system etc, but no one should ever believe that just because your car has it that other makes also have it. Maybe the Porsche has a similar thing for Porsche chargers only, I don't know, and neither do you.

 

For instance, is your Tesla only actually showing certain locations, or does it show you every charger location and how many bays are there and how many are free, does it tell what type of chargers they are and how is that updated? Porsche being part of the VAG group may be falling foul of a similar situation to the same problem as many on this forum are suffering from, like the TMC service not functioning.

 

There must be other Taycan owners out there who watch Taycan mans videos, surely they would be commenting on why was he not using that system if it exists on their cars?

 

Edited 4 December, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

 

54 seconds in described in this video......  Nick is a Renault dealership worker.  

 

 

 

 

 

If people are not getting an EV or needing to charge an EV then why get your nickers in a twist over charging? 

Drive on with your ICE vehicles to 2035 & beyond. 

 

As to traffic and weather then @wyx087you maybe need to get out and about where there is actually adverse weather and the need to get to chargers and be aware getting to some might not be possible because of flooding or closures with snow.

 

Barstard MINI has no idea what i am asking from the Sat Nav.  My recent destinations on Quick check are all in Germany as it thinks i ask for locations in Germany.   (The BMW i have for 3 weeks at a time is very very good Sat Nav wise and understanding what is asked for)

The PARTNER Mini charger destinations it shows are just hopeless as it is dealerships the 7 kW chargers and that are maybe open during business time so pretty hopeless.

Asking for chargers is a waste of time. 

I really can not use my left hand on a centre screen to search for anything and i just don't, even stopped it is me that is useless at it so it is WAZE i use on the phone.

The i-drive is a saviour and great for making phone calls with the selector easy to just use between the seats and the info showing in front of me on the dash. 

There is Sat Nav directions there as well if used but in time script. 

 

............

He annoys me more than Taycan man.  I watch to see what his next gems are. 

If you do just get a Tesla please do not abandon them on chargers for hours locked in because you want a full battery and range even if you are not going even half the range the full battery gives.  This applies to anyone / car really.  Stop the stupidity.

 

Roadworks Dundee -Perth have caused hold up for weeks because of a crane hitting a bridge. (I only ever go that way if going to Dundee.)

Dundee got the Kingsway decades ago and then it became slow.

There are by-pass plans for Dundee but too late now because of new buildings approved.

No idea why he never crosses from Forfar to Perth and the Tesla Supercharger there. 

31 miles, takes 45 minutes, sometimes 60. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 5 December, 20232 yr by Rooted

@RootedAll I'm trying to do is show that trying to pick holes in the charging strategy of Taycan man compared to the Polestar man is pointless. Also weather does have an impact, even rain will make a dent in a cars range, I can see it on my cars trip computer and I know EVs cannot defy the laws of physics.

 

I'm not defending ICE v EV or anything else, just pointing out that conditions will vary. The only way is to use identical cars, identical route at the same time. 

@Graham Butcher  You can not pick holes because as you keeping saying, you do not know this or that.

 

McMaster is stupid on purpose.  He is doing it for affect.  

He passes obvious charging locations that are good and he does the same trips time after time doing the same crap and repeating it. 

 

Like Just get a Tesla.    Well just get a brain and just get Tyres because you will need them.

9 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

For instance, is your Tesla only actually showing certain locations, or does it show you every charger location and how many bays are there and how many are free, does it tell what type of chargers they are and how is that updated?

Tesla shows more detailed info than the Zoe video shown. It shows historic busy times and current available stalls, also estimated wait time.

But availability data is only for Tesla superchargers. For other network charge points, it only shows them on the map (with number of stalls), no data for availability. Tesla have very strict criteria for them to show up, they will automatically disappear from map if they are known to be unreliable: https://www.notateslaapp.com/software-updates/upcoming-features/id/1112/tesla-to-add-reliable-third-party-chargers-to-their-in-car-navigation

 

9 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

and of course having more charging bays is better, but is not guaranteed to eliminate queueing, as those with local knowledge will levitate to those locations surely?

This is simple probability theory:   (assume 30min per car)

2 charger have throughput of 4 cars per hour.

12 charger have throughput of 24 cars per hour.

If both are fully utilised, at location with more chargers, you'll more likely to queue for far less time.

 

It's like at supermarket, which queue moves faster? The self-checkout where 1 queue goes to 10+ checkout points, or the single checkout queue? Assuming both cases per-person-time-at-checkout are similar.

 

As mentioned, Taycan man going to those unsuitable locations on purpose, for video views.

The one certainty about electric motoring is that it is going to get a lot more expensive.

There will be VED to pay.

Public charging will, maybe home tariffs will be more expensive.

 

Some will still be able to charge cheaply with Solar or Hydro they control.

 

Plenty EV,s coming matched to ICE vehicles prices, cheaper ones even, and servicing might cost less.  Running costs. 

There will be Low Emission Zones and parking that might be cheaper / free for EV,s.

 

There is Parking & access that might be free now and charging that will no longer be.

 

It always looks like ICE vehicle running costs will become higher and they will do even though the Westminster Parliament and the devolved ones dither about and mess the motoring public and business,s about.

 

.............

A year ago and a car salesperson and how things change, budget to budget or Chancellor to Chancellor.

One thing at present is clear,

Business users have more financial reasons to run EV,s than the General Public & using Public Charging is not the same hit as with private buyers / leasers of EV,s

 

 

 

 

Edited 5 December, 20232 yr by Rooted

The big increase will come but we don't know yet what form it will take - i.e whatever form of taxation the government chooses to use to replace the lost taxation from fuel duty.

Very true.  Passenger car Fuel Duty & VAT, and light goods vehicles fuel duty and then HGV fuel duty, then ships and planes. (not planes there is not much duty with them.)

 

As it is you pay to take some non compliant emissions vehicles into London.

In Glasgow you get fined if you take in non compliant.

Other places have other charges.

 

Motoring and driving, transporting in vehicles cost money and just now there are not many ways of getting cheap liquid fuel.

 

There are those running on Veg oil, Used Veg oil, Bio.    Fast Food company vehicles etc.

The UK Government would rather that Oil was used for Aeroplanes though and will spent millions or billions of tax payers money to see that happen. 

Or to give a nice standard of living for cronies.

 

Where has Rolls Royce got to with the Small Modular Nuclear? 

 

 

 

Yesterday i spotted outside Perth Scotland the Green Field site where  the Works Access is for where the New Low Carbon Transport Hub with Hydrogen Production & fuelling and services & EV charging will be getting build.

No place near the harbour / River Tay or the Railway line....

 

 

 

 

Obviously as well as this Green Industry the houses are being built to make it financially viable.

That is Perth Scotland getting more homes on Green Field land to make the industrial park work, or actually part of the kidology.

 

 

Edited 5 December, 20232 yr by Rooted

20 minutes ago, Dieselgate said:

whatever form of taxation the government chooses to use to replace the lost taxation from fuel duty.

I think all political parties are quite content to "kick that can down the road" because of concerns about upsetting voters until it becomes an economic necessity.

23 minutes ago, PetrolDave said:

I think all political parties are quite content to "kick that can down the road" because of concerns about upsetting voters until it becomes an economic necessity.

Quite - it will be put off for as long as possible as no matter how it is done you can be sure it will be very unpopular. It will be interesting to see how long it is before the fuel duty receipts start to drop off significantly, they haven't taken too much of a dent yet.

^^^ England.  When they say 'This country'  they mean England.   BBC reporters say 'This Country' when referring to England only projects.

 

 A different country from Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.   England really needs to become more self sufficient for Energy, Gas, Oil, Nuclear, Renewables.

Get the Energy Security in place, stop depending on neighbours and not so near neighbours and dipping the hand in the kitty and robing others.

 

Since Rishi visited the north there is plans to shut down parts of the Grangemouth Refinery and make it an Import Hub.

Time will tell about the refineries / cracking plants left in England and how long they might stay.

 

 

Since Rishi issued more Oil & Gas Exploration licences Oil & Gas companies they have announced pulling out of the North Sea.

Transitioning.    Getting lots of Tax Payers funding to decommission, scrap etc. Mostly scrapping rigs abroad.

 

Maybe since the Green Freeports were announced they might actually get started and Scotland might not leave the UK in another generation.

 

 

 

Edited 5 December, 20232 yr by Rooted

@RootedAll the incentives currently enjoyed by EV owners will be scrapped anytime now as the numbers grow, government will be forced to replace the lost revenue from ICE cars, both in terms of fuel duty and parking etc, so enjoy any savings while you can. I don't think that home charging will cheap for much longer as that is adding to financial shortfalls in government coffers so that is bound to be in crosshairs, especially as Sadiq Khan is claiming ICE is leading to 4000 Londoners loosing their lives to tailpipe emissions each year. Calculate that across the UK and many more people will be living longer and a drain on the public purse.

 

Strikes me that whatever we do, we are locked into increased costs all round. 😉