The public have always been aware there is a gap between trade buy in and retail and Matt video is far from the first showing trade in values so I don't think nothing has or will be changed by his video. 

 

Like it or not the public are getting feet about 2nd hand BEVs and the associated risk of having massive problems due to maybe the horrific state of the roads. Maybe they see Tesla as brand that will be there if they have problems and is the reason they didn't feature in the video? 

@Graham Butcher   If really the Public are getting cold feet and going off buying BEV,s that is fantastic as long as the chargers keep going in and the planned spending and requirement to First Register 22% of EV,s in the UK and that percentage grows.

Win win win for buyers and those with EV,s as long as they are keeping and not selling (giving them away.) 

 

Who is not going to be there in the future as a manufacturer of BEV,s , Fisker? 

 

 

Re the much cheapness Corsa electric. 

Not a Nav Elite and the prices came down in 2022. 

 

I would not touch with someone elses barge pole even at that price. 

 

Someone bought my car after it was bought at Auction by a dealer and paid almost as much as they could have bought a Brand New Delivery miles lower trim with the same battery.

This was pre battery change and increased power models. 

 

There are a lot of Polestar,s to be sold used and there were many hundreds as part of Hire Car fleets. 

Edited 19 May, 20242 yr by Ootohere

random musings

When looking at BEVs which is (hypothetically) more desirable .

a) Lower Mileage but older in years
b) Higher Mileage but newer in years

When it comes to ICE I would probably pick b 

There is a load of crap out there.

 

Off the top of my head to be avoided.

Stellantis ones. Brakes, Drop Links, Connectivity / software.

VW ID3 early ones. Software.

Skoda Citigo iV with charging issues if not resolved. 

MG 4 with no rear wiper, or any car without a rear wiper. 

 

Various different models of age / build date.     Go newer and as long a manufacturers warranty as you can.

 

Get stuff where near a Main Dealer. 

Maybe not Vauxhall Main Dealer or an Arnold Clark for any BEV,s or PHEVs 

Over 1 million BEV,s registered on UK roads and that growing even as ones are scrapped / crashed. 

Lots and lots of vehicles to be sold off from fleets & companies.   

If not enough buyers then this is where 'Much Cheapness' might well be. 

 

If you an charge cheaply even just for the next few years it can be lots of money saved for your personal transportation buying a used EV.

Or even the coming up new cheaper BEV,s as a keeper.

This may interest those eligible for an ev on Motability.

 

When we had a car they offered to sell it to us but apparantley they don't do that anymore................. But

 

In the past Motability Finance quoted crazy prices to buy the car i had from them and would not accept a lower offer from me.

As it is the cars sold for much less at auction and then i could have bought some of them cheaper than i offered from the Dealer / Trader.

 

Part of the con that is Motability Finance and the 5 big banks that have the billions from the funds.

They got control in 2008 in the bank crash.   That was a cunning stunt backed by the government.

 

Back in the day it was 12,000 miles a year max mileage or a penalty, then Ford & Vauxhall were going to pull out and it went to 20,000 miles per year.

Up til then the Supplying Dealers could do a 'Buy Back' at the start of the lease.

Then they put in Mats, on Mud Flaps, serviced annually and all was well after 3 years.  

 

Lovely cars back in and offered at 0% finance by Arnold Clark and others. 

 

This was when Subaru, Fiat and others not part of the scheme would lease a car cheaply to you if Registered Disabled, in receipt of benefit, Green Card, Orange badge etc.

They even offered a discount if Buying,  money back from the manufacturer once you did the deal with the dealer, trade in, buy a new car.

 

I have bought and sold used Motability Cars since the 1970,s when it went from Mini,s mostly that were auto,s to Metro,s then a bit more of a choice.

 

I bought cars New and Used with the HP (loan) Motability used to offer 4 years on a used car and 5 years for a new car purchase. 

1 hour ago, Winston_Woof said:

random musings

When looking at BEVs which is (hypothetically) more desirable .

a) Lower Mileage but older in years
b) Higher Mileage but newer in years

When it comes to ICE I would probably pick b 

When I brought my new (to me Superb) I went with option B as well, although I have spent a bit on it since getting it last June, but it's still way beneath lower mileage models of the same age. 

A naive question perhaps but one the forum will be able to answer.

 

Is the charging point standardised on one side of the vehicle or another for LHD or RHD markets?

 

Is it on the kerbside as you would park in a forward direction?

 

Are they biased towards the front for drive up charging stations?

 

I will be cabling soon for an EV charge station and want to put it in the best place, I hate seeing trailing cables.

1 minute ago, J.R. said:

A naive question perhaps but one the forum will be able to answer.

 

Is the charging point standardised on one side of the vehicle or another for LHD or RHD markets?

 

Is it on the kerbside as you would park in a forward direction?

 

Are they biased towards the front for drive up charging stations?

 

I will be cabling soon for an EV charge station and want to put it in the best place, I hate seeing trailing cables.

It’s not even standardised whether it’s at the front or back lol

 

and why would it be ? Fuel filler caps can be in any location even under the seat if you have an old landrover (also some vehicles have dual fillers)

3 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

When I brought my new (to me Superb) I went with option B as well, although I have spent a bit on it since getting it last June, but it's still way beneath lower mileage models of the same age. 

 

You bought a higher mileage car with way less miles than lower mileage models of the same age? 😕

4 minutes ago, Winston_Woof said:

and why would it be ?

 

My posting gives my rationale which answers your question.

 

To expand on it a charging lead suffers volt drop, the longer it is the larger the volt drop for a given current requiring a larger section of usually copper which is very expensive and very stealable.

 

But thanks for your answer, as I dont yet have a vehicle in mind I will terminate the supply cable in a junction box from which it can be extended to suit the vehicle I end up with.

Edited 19 May, 20242 yr by J.R.

7 minutes ago, J.R. said:

A naive question perhaps but one the forum will be able to answer.

 

Is the charging point standardised on one side of the vehicle or another for LHD or RHD markets?

 

Is it on the kerbside as you would park in a forward direction?

 

Are they biased towards the front for drive up charging stations?

 

I will be cabling soon for an EV charge station and want to put it in the best place, I hate seeing trailing cables.

 

Nope.  TESLA it is always the same place but with other marques it can be on the nose ie LEAF and Zoe, ie original EVs, or front or rear quarters , port or starboard side. Not back centre on any as far as I have seen.

 

Causing havoc now as TESLA V2 and V3 chargers many now open to non TESLA as non TESLA use the wrong bay to charge, fun and games.

 

MG Charge port, Honda-e, fron KIA / Hyndia might be at the front.   

Stallantis right side rear quarter panel. 

Tesla left hand rear light area. 

Porsche / Audi front wing left, or left and right. 

 

So depends. 

14 minutes ago, J.R. said:

 

You bought a higher mileage car with way less miles than lower mileage models of the same age? 😕

If you go back and read the original post, option B is a higher mileage but less years. 

 

I'd be mad to do what you said🙄

Edited 19 May, 20242 yr by Graham Butcher

28 minutes ago, J.R. said:

 

My posting gives my rationale which answers your question.

 

To expand on it a charging lead suffers volt drop, the longer it is the larger the volt drop for a given current requiring a larger section of usually copper which is very expensive and very stealable.

 

But thanks for your answer, as I dont yet have a vehicle in mind I will terminate the supply cable in a junction box from which it can be extended to suit the vehicle I end up with.

Surely for the distances being talked about any theoretical voltage drop would be negligible and hardly worth worry about

 

trailing cables is a reasonable rationale. Me personally I would put the charger centrally located so can reach left or right equally and then you only need to think about parking Nose in or tail in

I'll take that as a confirmation then!

 

To quote you:

 

"When I brought my new (to me Superb) I went with option B (higher mileage), but it's still way beneath lower mileage models of the same age." 

Just now, Winston_Woof said:

Surely for the distances being talked about any theoretical voltage drop would be negligible and hardly worth worry about

 

Not on low voltages and high currents, I am making the assumption that the charging cable delivers the battery system voltage of 24 or 48v etc and not mains voltage otherwise it would not need the charger unit.

 

Even at mains voltage the voltage drop is very significant on a 7 or 11kva charger, I have to use a 6mm2 cable for a very short run.

 

 

4 hours ago, J.R. said:

I'll take that as a confirmation then!

 

To quote you:

 

"When I brought my new (to me Superb) I went with option B (higher mileage), but it's still way beneath lower mileage models of the same age." 

What is it with you keep on taking things out of context? Read the rest of that post and you'll see that I was talking about spending money on the car since I got it. Even with the purchase price and what I have subsequently spend it is still far less than the same spec model of the same age and less mileage would have been. 

 

The thing being confirmed is that you are not understanding the context 😕

Edited 19 May, 20242 yr by Graham Butcher

The 3.6, or 7 / 11 kW AC chargers are built into the vehicle. 

The Cable is taking the electricity to the vehicle.   From the power source.  That is not actually A CHARGER.

 

The cable used for 11 kW AC charging is quite a bit heavier than for the 3.6 or 7 kW ac. 

  As to details, spec etc, i know nowt about electricity. 

 

I do know that to charge 15 kWh into my 11 kWh ac Type 2 port on a 3 pin charge cable it uses 18 kWh from my houses electricity.

Edited 19 May, 20242 yr by Ootohere

3 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

The 3.6, or 7 / 11 kW AC chargers are built into the vehicle. 

The Cable is taking the electricity to the vehicle.   From the power source.  That is not actually A CHARGER.

 

The cable used for 11 kW AC charging is quite a bit heavier than for the 3.6 or 7 kW ac. 

  As to details, spec etc, i know nowt about electricity. 

 

I do know that to charge 15 kWh into my 11 kWh ac Type 2 port on a 3 pin charge cable it uses 18 kWh from my houses electricity.

 

I think @J.R. is talking about the wiring to the point that the car plugs into, not from there to the car. It would need to be 7KW . 32 amp capable. 11 kw would require 3 phase electric supply in the uk not sure about France regs.

I know what hew is talking about because i read his post.

I am talking about my losses.   

& then on Chargers, public DC there are losses as well. Or what the car says it gets is less than what i am having to pay from what i am told was provided to me.