^^^Lets see how many Motoring Journalists / Vloggers spend their own money and buy or lease them and not just drive Media cars.

 

 

Edited 21 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

8 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

^^^Lets see how many Motoring Journalists / Vloggers spend their own money and buy or lease them and not just drive Media cars.

 

 

Not many, if any I suspect.

A good few about on the roads and not just demonstrators, and truth of the matter is that other than accelerating away to show one how quick they are on roads like in the video he has to drive with due care and attention and be able to stay on his side of the road on bends that are blind in a big fat EV.

He and the other vloggers and drivers of fat EV,s are often unable to stay on their side if pushing on.

Loads of kidolgy.  

No idea how many Accident Damaged ones there are about.   The insurance for me is not expensive.

 

 

Edited 21 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

2 hours ago, Ootohere said:

A good few about on the roads and not just demonstrators, and truth of the matter is that other than accelerating away to show one how quick they are on roads like in the video he has to drive with due care and attention and be able to stay on his side of the road on bends that are blind in a big fat EV.

He and the other vloggers and drivers of fat EV,s are often unable to stay on their side if pushing on.

Loads of kidolgy.  

No idea how many Accident Damaged ones there are about.   The insurance for me is not expensive.

 

 

 

Moans about insurance costs for performance TESLAs seems to have died down but I suspect these 650 hp Hyundais, Kia etc are group 50 and costing thousands to insure.

 

Along with much higher VED and insurance cost it looks like performance cars of all flavours will be pricey to run.

 

Maybe we will get some after market tweakers providing "remapping" if that is possible for EVs, buy a cooking version and buy a remap to get another 50 or 100 kw or 100 Nm more torque but pay lower ved, no luxury tax and less insurance if naughty and don't tell insurance, not that I condone. 

 

5 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

Moans about insurance costs for performance TESLAs seems to have died down but I suspect these 650 hp Hyundais, Kia etc are group 50 and costing thousands to insure.

 

Along with much higher VED and insurance cost it looks like performance cars of all flavours will be pricey to run.

 

Maybe we will get some after market tweakers providing "remapping" if that is possible for EVs, buy a cooking version and buy a remap to get another 50 or 100 kw or 100 Nm more torque but pay lower ved, no luxury tax and less insurance if naughty and don't tell insurance, not that I condone. 

 

I see that Range Rovers will be around £5,500 a year for VED alone similar to other gas guzzling high performance / big engined cars. That will help cut some pollution, seeing as those type of cars produce huge volumes of it. 

@lol-lol  That was just quick quotes for the 650 hp (for 10 seconds 650 hp) Hyundai.  3 times the cost of a MINI Electric 2023 or a 2016 BMW 520. 

I could get cheaper than that. 

On a driveway and garaged, but then age, NCD and location location location makes a difference. That was based on 8,000 miles a year. 

 

A GR Yaris at 1/2 the cost of the Hyundai would be my choice for driving great driving roads at legal speeds. 

Edited 21 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

Free (100% discount) Gridserve rapid charging on Christmas day, via their app:

https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/free-ev-charging-on-christmas-day-at-all-gridserve-ev-chargers-4491724

 

I'm going to pop over to the newly opened Stevenage one next to A1M, with a low battery and get >50 kWh worth. Visiting their flashy forecourt is like EV rite of passage.

 

Could also drive to South Mimms or London Gateway service with Leaf and then drive back, enough gained to cook Xmas dinner 😅 

I don't think i would bother to go out on my Christmas day to save £5

5 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

I don't think i would bother to go out on my Christmas day to save £5

 

Beats listening to the MIL farting on the sofa after the King's waffled I suppose 🤷

 

6 hours ago, Ootohere said:

@lol-lol  That was just quick quotes for the 650 hp (for 10 seconds 650 hp) Hyundai.  3 times the cost of a MINI Electric 2023 or a 2016 BMW 520. 

I could get cheaper than that. 

On a driveway and garaged, but then age, NCD and location location location makes a difference. That was based on 8,000 miles a year. 

 

A GR Yaris at 1/2 the cost of the Hyundai would be my choice for driving great driving roads at legal speeds. 

 

Such a shame the Yaris has had such a large price hike after the recent facelift/improvements 

 

I read an interesting article the other day, by an insurance broker taking about how electric car repairs are definitely more expensive than petrol car repairs on average, from their point of view. It looks like it may be linked to the rather unexpected realisation that going from a 1.2  petrol car to something that can hit 60 in around 4 seconds, might be a bit much for many people, especially as those cars are often not performance models as such and don't have the usual performance car upgrades. 

 

1 hour ago, wyx087 said:

Free (100% discount) Gridserve rapid charging on Christmas day, via their app:

https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/free-ev-charging-on-christmas-day-at-all-gridserve-ev-chargers-4491724

 

I'm going to pop over to the newly opened Stevenage one next to A1M, with a low battery and get >50 kWh worth. Visiting their flashy forecourt is like EV rite of passage.

 

Could also drive to South Mimms or London Gateway service with Leaf and then drive back, enough gained to cook Xmas dinner 😅 

 

Oh might pop in to the Frankley South Gridserve chargers as 39p a kwh sounds yummy and I still do not know what the Scenic 63 kwh will charge at, 130, 100 ish or what.

 

Hope they take AmEx as TESLA did not, oddly.

 

Wonder if the petrol stations are also doing half priced diesel/petrol ?

 

 

People joke about Scottish people and especially Aberdonians being tight. 

I might just charge at an Osprey Charger and not mess about.

Christmas is the season of excess. The reason for the season. 

 

19 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

I see that Range Rovers will be around £5,500 a year for VED alone similar to other gas guzzling high performance / big engined cars. That will help cut some pollution, seeing as those type of cars produce huge volumes of it. 

 

On registration vehicles over 255g/km will pay £5,490 2nd year onward will be same as evs at £195 and subject to ecs if over £40,000 for years 2 to 6 again the same as evs.

 

As most of those vehicles will be paid for by the general public in goods and services purchased or tax credits on expenses  i don't think it will make any difference.

12 hours ago, Stonekeeper said:

 

For the trip he did, this was an ideal car, but you don't normally go on a ferry, where he got a free charge and when he said about there were plenty of free chargers so no waiting for one, it was getting late into the night when most folk would be at home and when he was comparing it to the Audi with 450-mile range in summer, I assume that he was speaking about a petrol Audi and it was being ragged a lot to achieve such a low figure (might have been a big powerful engine/car, I don't know) but at the timing of his trip early morning / late night my diesel car could have done that trip on a single tank of fuel.

 

12 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

Oh might pop in to the Frankley South Gridserve chargers as 39p a kwh sounds yummy and I still do not know what the Scenic 63 kwh will charge at, 130, 100 ish or what.

 

Hope they take AmEx as TESLA did not, oddly.

 

Wonder if the petrol stations are also doing half priced diesel/petrol ?

 

 

Quite simply NO, and if they were, I doubt that many would take them up on the offer, preferring to be at home with the family and having a Christmas tipple or two.

21 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

you don't normally go on a ferry, where he got a free charge

And you can't always get a "free" charge on a ferry, even on a long trip to the Outer Hebrides (3 to 7 hours).

26 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Quite simply NO, and if they were, I doubt that many would take them up on the offer, preferring to be at home with the family and having a Christmas tipple or two.

 

Many of us have to travel to see our remote family ie Haverhill, Gwent, stoke, one on Xmas day so might well take a ten minute splash and dash or zap and dash i suppose. Just one glass of something inoffensive then hit the spiced rum when I get home.

 

Low cost, no pollution.

 

I hear more evidence of the Atlantic warming current shutting down so better look out for some proper winter tyres and wheels.

 

My phone is pinging with Free Charging offers. Genie Point and others.

Lovely if by chance charging and there is a deal on. 

I see i have another 25 kWh charging available 'Free Gratis' from Osprey on the App.   If i can just get the charger to start and use that and not actually debit my CC as it did last time.

Customer Services were no help and said be sure to start charger using the App.

 

As to Balancing the Grid and EV Discount Charging.   Cruel i know but there will be plenty having a laugh if there are Power Outages in and around London and the most populated areas of England on Christmas day.

8am to 8 pm.  

Edited 22 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

8 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

Many of us have to travel to see our remote family ie Haverhill, Gwent, stoke, one on Xmas day so might well take a ten minute splash and dash or zap and dash i suppose. Just one glass of something inoffensive then hit the spiced rum when I get home.

 

Low cost, no pollution.

 

I hear more evidence of the Atlantic warming current shutting down so better look out for some proper winter tyres and wheels.

 

When you say many of us, not that many, most stay at home on Christmas day, main roads are generally very quiet. I lived in Haverhill for a number of years, when it was half its current size.

50 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

When you say many of us, not that many, most stay at home on Christmas day, main roads are generally very quiet. I lived in Haverhill for a number of years, when it was half its current size.

 

Bro actually lives at Castle Camp just outside, where Cambs, Essex and Suffolk meet, use to be an old RAF WW2 base, must be about the highest point in the tri-county area at around 500 feet above sea level. No gas in the village so modern house has a heat pump. Recently had an outage so I have pointed him towards so storage batteries like I have.

 

Since my new boss is a Felixstowe person I can see me heading that way quite often, oh I do love the A14, not.  At least there are very large EV charging stations ar Rugby and Cambridge services now.

 

Presumably those few of us travelling on Xmas day the Gridiserve people decided to lower the price so drastically, their chargers are oft under utilised as EV drivers will use other chargers which are 20p a kWh cheaper.  Imagine diesel/petrol driver having the chance to buy fuel 40p a litre cheaper. 

 

The price per kwh is more about recouping capital expenditure for the charging unit which from I have seen working with Source London which my old firm owned, the higher powered EV charger units are well north of £10k a peice. So the EV charger owner companies can drop the price to say 39p a kWh and still cover the cost of the lecky and more but feel the need to charge 79 or 85p per kwh in some cases to try and get beyond the price of the installation before  average prices of public charging lecky is well below 50p a kWh as looks inevitable.  

Edited 22 December, 20241 yr by lol-lol