14 minutes ago, PetrolDave said:

In the 1990's SAAB claimed that the exhaust emissions from a SAAB 9000 in cities contained less NOx and HC than the intake air, so greenwashing isn't a new phenomenon.

 

There are many matches on Google, here's just one Reducing Tailpipe Emissions: Clean SAAB 9000

Well, considering the massive reductions cars have supposed to have made at that time from say the 1960s - 1970s that statement well have been true. I have been saying that I can recall all the smogs and the massive thick fogs that we used to have, especially in London where on some days it is impossible more than 2 or 3 buses away, and in those days the length of the Routemaster bus was just 27ft 6" or 8.3m, so round about 100ft visibility so that meant crawling around at low speed. I spent many a day delivering to BHS stores in London in those conditions.

WLTP time VW Group vehicles were bunkered for nearly a year in some cases as the Certification was not gained.

That is Engine Oil, Brake Fluid in the vehicle for a year before it might ever get a PDI and First Registered in the UK and the 3 year warranty start.

 

Then the Covid Years cars maybe sitting 6 months or more once in the UK and you need to check how long before that across the channel.

 

Then as far as Used Cars, and the Chip Shortage and Covid, buyer be aware what the car might or might not actually have features,. 

9 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

WLTP time VW Group vehicles were bunkered for nearly a year in some cases as the Certification was not gained.

That is Engine Oil, Brake Fluid in the vehicle for a year before it might ever get a PDI and First Registered in the UK and the 3 year warranty start.

 

Then the Covid Years cars maybe sitting 6 months or more once in the UK and you need to check how long before that across the channel.

 

Then as far as Used Cars, and the Chip Shortage and Covid, buyer be aware what the car might or might not actually have features,. 

To circumvent that, when I was ordering my new company cars, I would always go for factory fitted options which would result in a 3 to 4 month waiting time for the build to be scheduled in and the car to be shipped and PDI'd and delivered, I had zero interest in getting an almost instant delivery of a car that had sat in field for many months getting dirty, attracting corrosion and the brake fluid etc absorbing moisture.

There were new Factory Orders at the time the WLTP were built and bunkered as well as VW Group / Skoda failed to get the certification. 

 

Company cars are company cars surely, kept about as long as within manufacturers warranty.

2 Years only in some European / EU Countries, 3 years in the UK, 5 in Australia and now 7 years. 

 

@Graham Butcher  When was your 2017 Superb built and when first registered in the UK?

The WLTP was introduced September 2017.

Edited 16 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

On 12/01/2025 at 14:26, Graham Butcher said:

No smoke without fire, if this is true, we could be caught out big time, or is it BS?

 

One thing it does do is make you think and perhaps makes us realise just how close we could be sailing to trouble.

 

 

 

 

This is an interesting set of YouTube posts.

Firstly, UK electricity consumption is falling, not rising.
At no time would we be left without electricity, there could be some industrial shut downs.

1 hour ago, Ootohere said:

There were new Factory Orders at the time the WLTP were built and bunkered as well as VW Group / Skoda failed to get the certification. 

 

Company cars are company cars surely, kept about as long as within manufacturers warranty.

2 Years only in some European / EU Countries, 3 years in the UK, 5 in Australia and now 7 years. 

 

@Graham Butcher  When was your 2017 Superb built and when first registered in the UK?

The WLTP was introduced September 2017.

I just ran a check on the car on a database that claims my car is 8yrs 0mths which can't be correct says that it was made in Jan 2017, so that is wrong for a kick-off. The V5C states the car was registered 9th Dec 2016 and the 10th digit of the VIN shows it as being the 2017 model, which ties in with what I know about it.

@Ootohere Don't forget that my current car was not ordered new by me, as the last car I did that with was written off for me. I obtained my current car as a used vehicle in June 2023.

^^^ Yes i know. Written off other. 

Which was why i was asking because buying used you go on the condition when and the first keepers maybe never bothered then a car

gets prepped for sale.

You can polish a turd. 

Edited 16 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

2 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

^^^ Yes i know. Written off other. 

Which was why i was asking because buying used you go on the condition when and the first keepers maybe never bothered then a care gets prepped for sale.

You can polish a turd. 

lol, very true

2017 models would come out in about May 2016 oddly.

 

That is what I thought, so my car was a bog-standard base L&K model, so has stood around somewhere waiting for a buyer.

BT are not going ahead with installing 60,000 street chargers. Having installed 1.

Going to concentrate on Communications with the Wi-Fi connectivity challenge surrounding EV,s instead.

 

Mobile phone reception at EV Public chargers would really super in 2025.  Like 'Simply clever'.

.................

Vauxhall thinking that maybe not Simply Clever to wind down producing ICE vehicles. 

 

It is like businesses are thinking 'The Government are landing us right in deep poo!

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Ootohere said:

BT are not going ahead with installing 60,000 street chargers. Having installed 1.

Going to concentrate on Communications with the Wi-Fi connectivity challenge surrounding EV,s instead.

 

Mobile phone reception at EV Public chargers would really super in 2025.  Like 'Simply clever'.

.................

Vauxhall thinking that maybe not Simply Clever to wind down producing ICE vehicles. 

 

It is like businesses are thinking 'The Government are landing us right in deep poo!

 

 

 

If you ask me, its about time they started to question things a bit more instead of blindly going along with whatever government told them to, I mean, its a well known fact that governments flip flop all the time.

 

16 hours ago, Paul80x said:

This is an interesting set of YouTube posts.

Firstly, UK electricity consumption is falling, not rising.
At no time would we be left without electricity, there could be some industrial shut downs.

Interesting...

That looks like an indication that possibly the Advertising Campaigns   affect to switch off, fit less energy using bulbs and appliances etc etc and the price of electricity and a change in winters with it even being milder in Scotland.

Also the loss of some heavy energy user industries. 

 

Now the electricity can be produced cheaper and might get used for Electric vehicles while less will get used in the few Cracking Plants & refineries in the UK or certainly at Grangemouth.

Less in the UK Steel industry as well.

1 minute ago, Ootohere said:

That looks like an indication that possibly the Advertising Campaigns   affect to switch off, fit less energy using bulbs and appliances etc etc and the price of electricity and a change in winters with it even being milder in Scotland.

Also the loss of some heavy energy user industries. 

 

Now the electricity can be produced cheaper and might get used for Electric vehicles while less will get used in the few Cracking Plants & refineries in the UK or certainly at Grangemouth.

Less in the UK Steel industry as well.

At this rate, I can see me replacing the wife's increasingly temperamental Fiesta with a bargain EV, if I can bag the right deal.

The lady in the Youtube said Country Wide.  Exactly, black out England wide might get the Government and Councils back end into action.

 

One must remember that as well as a Global Oil Crisis there was a War and in the UK a Miners strike. 

 

So there is several wars, oil prices just in the UK looks like rising & energy workers might well have strikes planned in time for next winter since their employers make such huge profits and are not inclind to share the wealth.

 

BP job cuts coming, profits not dropping. 

 

PS.

Internet / AI & Data Centres, that is the Heavy Electricity user that the Labour Government is backing or so they say.

So they better get these Small Modular Nuclear Reactor sites approved and get the investors in and building.

 

Odd if stuff is profitable people hesitate with investing and building and getting profits, must be toi do with Governments chopping and changing ideas and taxation. 

 

............

Personally my interest in the Energy Industry has nothing to do with being Green & the knowledge i have gleaned about Oi & Gas comes from involvement from being employed in the fabrication of equipment business for oil and gas in the past and many family members in it since the 1970,s.

Currently my son and his step brothers are out there on rigs or up turbines.

(One will mostly be hanging off a bridge today.) 

 

Edited 17 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

Very good article I thought.....

 

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/electric-cars/inside-race-50mpkwh-secrets-long-range-evs

 

Well written and Warwick uni giving good clear info on the subject.....

 

The next big efficiency race for EV makers is to be the first to achieve 5.0mpkWh. This figure is important because, for a typical 50kWh battery pack, the difference between 4.0mpkWh and 5.0mpkWh is 50 miles more range. So there’s a prize to be won.........

 

 

1 hour ago, EnterName said:

Interesting...

 

I think what would be useful, if it could even be gathered but probably can only be estimated, is how much power, what percentage of total consumed in the UK, is now coming from home owners and businesses own source, I suspect it is reaching 10% or so. This figure will continue to climb I am sure until it could be a third or more.

 

UK population has grown massively in the last decade or so with mass immigration ie up to a million a year so the fact the grid is going down is quite amazing.  Just shows the change to lED light bulbs etc has had a big effect perhaps. 

 

More people generating their own could be good if there are successful attacks on UK power infrastructure.

 

1 hour ago, EnterName said:

Interesting...

This slow drop in demand is mainly down to the increase of LED lighting, new LCD TVs and having more stuff produced in China along with the growing use of things like microwaves and air fryers but that decline is going to reverse as more and more of us will end up in EV.

Edited 17 January, 20251 yr by Graham Butcher

8 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

This slow drop in demand is mainly down to the increase of LED lighting, new LCD TVs and having more stuff produced in China along with the growing use of things like microwaves and air fryers but that decline is going to reverse as more and more of us will end up in EV.

Ironically, the one way the drop in demand might be sustained is if awkward sods like me don't get an EV and so don't put additional strain on the network.

Unless I transition into an affluent middle-class person, and put solar panels on my house, add battery storage and perhaps pop a wind-turbine in my garden. 😋

10 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

This slow drop in demand is mainly down to the increase of LED lighting, new LCD TVs and having more stuff produced in China along with the growing use of things like microwaves and air fryers but that decline is going to reverse as more and more of us will end up in EV.

 

We will see but I can see far more power being generated at homes and businesses. If solar this would be somewhat seasonal of course.

In leafy Worcestershire, sweet suburbia Worcester there seems to be thousands of houses installing solar on their roofs, looks like about a third or so of house getting full roof solar.  I am waiting for the new pervasive panels which have double the efficiency and for cost to fall even further.

 

4 minutes ago, EnterName said:

Ironically, the one way the drop in demand might be sustained is if awkward sods like me don't get an EV and so don't put additional strain on the network.

Unless I transition into an affluent middle-class person, and put solar panels on my house, add battery storage and perhaps pop a wind-turbine in my garden. 😋

 

The strain on the network is so little at the moment as I reckon most EV owners charge up at night and operators like Octopus can charge one third of day time prices so one can charge to full for a fiver for 250 miles of range !

 

4 minutes ago, EnterName said:

Ironically, the one way the drop in demand might be sustained is if awkward sods like me don't get an EV and so don't put additional strain on the network.

Unless I transition into an affluent middle-class person, and put solar panels on my house, add battery storage and perhaps pop a wind-turbine in my garden. 😋

Well I don't intend on getting an EV just yet, but who actually knows what the future holds for any of us, only a fool says never.