Absolutely, and suggesting there is is against the T&Cs of this place.

 

8 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

All of them, as long as the published paper has been through peer review. 

Yeah, but I've seen all this before with the COVID-19 vaccinations. The official narrative on the COVID-19 vaccines was the word of God, and anyone saying anything other than the vaccines were the answer to the COVID pandemic got shrieked down. Dissenters were called "vaccine-deniers", much as anyone who dissents from the climate narrative is called a "climate-denier".

It was an enforced consensus, which is to say, it was NOT a consensus, it was a narrative. (I've even shown you evidence of that enforced narrative.)

It was a little frustrating and bemusing, but IRL, it didn't bother me in the slightest. I didn't get any of the COVID-19 vaccinations and am increasingly glad I didn't.

However the information I used to reach my conclusion that I shouldn't get the COVID-19 vaccinations would not have passed your "Source!!!!?!!!" test.

That does not make the decision I made based on that information incorrect.

 

1 minute ago, wyx087 said:

I personally think adoption of EV is linked to climate change, due to government mandates and their gaol of net-zero. But I'm happy to start a new thread called climate change if people want to move the discussion? 

Nice idea, but such a thread would be shrieked into oblivion by the clique.

Example: "The Elphant in the room" thread (with hilarious irony, given the premise of the thread) is now itself, conspicuous by its absence.

You have to laugh! 😄

 

32 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Any chance the debate or discussions or even arguments about terms, words and understandings can be taken elsewhere rather than here where the subject is BEVS?

The real problem here is of course, the usual suspects always insisting that their version of events is the only valid version in town and always having to have the very last word in every discussion.

Back on topic, I've been watching a few of the counter-EV channels on YouTube, and one recurring point they are driving home is the second-hand market.

Barrie Crampton trawls through AutoTrader looking for examples of EVs that are little more than delivery mileage but are a couple of years old.

It seems to me that this is only going to increase, as I assume there were a shedload of EVs registered at the end of 2024 to beat the deadline and duck the EU punishment for failing to sell enough EVs in 2024.

Unless @wyx087 ups his game in 2025, I suspect there will be an increasingly large bow-wave of unused but second-hand EVs that will hit the market. 😋 (I'm joking!)

That's great news for people who get a free car by one way or another, or for someone who wants to buy an EV.

But for anyone looking to lease an EV in the future, the cost of leasing an EV is likely to rocket as lease companies pre-load EVs with depreciation.

Not to mention early-adopters who bought an EV. 😬

 

Edited 16 January, 20251 yr by EnterName
2025 changed to 2024.

Just buy or rent used then from all these actually new / Pre used cars.

 

Businesses / lease companies and Motability will buy New if that is what they do.

 

@EnterName?

Who gets a FREE CAR other than if someone gifts them one or lends them one? 

Is that about Motability where people might get Benefits and then spend over £12,000 over 3 years to lease a car?

Registered in 2023 and has done less than 3K miles. Someone's taken a hit on this vehicle.

2 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Who gets a FREE CAR other than if someone gifts them one or lends them one? 

Anyone who can! 😄

 

There's no such thing as a free lunch. These vehicles cost money to build, and there's an environmental cost associated with their manufacture too.

Big depreciation might be all well and good for the people who gain from it, as might artificially inflated prices if you sell at the right time, but for every winner there's a loser.

Edited 16 January, 20251 yr by EnterName

@EnterName  Come on give us a clue, someone must pay to buy one to Give to others.

Plenty supposed Media cars and Demonstrators and out there being driven by supposed employees or journalists and maybe just friends and family to run up 3,000 miles.

As has been the case for decades with cars to get the Tax Break and sell as Ex Management or Demonstrator.

Back on topic, for 2024: 

 

In the news, Norway is very close to 100% BEV sales: Norway on track to be first to go all-electric - BBC News

 

Published sales stats says UK has had 21% YoY increase in BEV sales: UK new car registration data, UK car market - SMMT

 

Charge point mapping website stats say over 100% increase in charging hubs: 2024 EV charging statistics reveal record rate of charge point installations - Zapmap

That means in 2024 alone, number of charging hubs doubled! 

7 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

@EnterName  Come on give us a clue, someone must pay to buy one to Give to others.

Plenty supposed Media cars and Demonstrators and out there being driven by supposed employees or journalists and maybe just friends and family to run up 3,000 miles.

As has been the case for decades with cars to get the Tax Break and sell as Ex Management or Demonstrator.

See my post just above yours. Those are cars with under 500 miles since 2023.

Some dealer in Corby really got rinsed on Mazda MX30s. 😄

Edited 16 January, 20251 yr by EnterName

16 minutes ago, EnterName said:

Registered in 2023 and has done less than 3K miles. Someone's taken a hit on this vehicle.

There seems to be more ICE vehicles in similar limbo for 2023 under 100 miles: 
 

287 ICE vehicles 

156 EV

 

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-search?advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Petrol&fuel-type=Diesel&fuel-type=Petrol Plug-in Hybrid&fuel-type=Petrol Hybrid&make=&maximum-mileage=100&moreOptions=visible&postcode=Al12bx&sort=mileage&year-from=2023&year-to=2023

 

Using edge cases to make a generalised case? Why I’m not surprised with you? 

 

- Edit: I see you've posted a screenshot of lots of EV's but failed to disclose total comparable numbers. 

 

 

Edited 16 January, 20251 yr by wyx087

@EnterName  Keep up at the back.   Are you being daft on purpose hoping another thread is closed?

There was a ZEV Mandate and cars pre reg and stored / bunkered. 

  Discussed now for 2 years or more on here.

 

With Jaguar in the UK and cars they could not shift because there were many with them having issues it is a bit off calling it a FIRE SALE.

 

 

Edited 16 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

7 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

There seems to be more ICE vehicles in similar limbo for 2023 under 100 miles: 
 

287 ICE vehicles 

156 EV

 

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-search?advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Petrol&fuel-type=Diesel&fuel-type=Petrol Plug-in Hybrid&fuel-type=Petrol Hybrid&make=&maximum-mileage=100&moreOptions=visible&postcode=Al12bx&sort=mileage&year-from=2023&year-to=2023

 

Using edge cases to make a generalised case? Why I’m not surprised with you? 

 

- Edit: I see you've posted a screenshot of lots of EV's but failed to disclose total comparable numbers. 

 

 

Whatever you say, Wyx. 🤷‍♂️

11 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

With Jaguar in the UK and cars they could not shift because there were many with them having issues it is a bit off calling it a FIRE SALE.

Now that's funny! 😄

Aside from the banter, if there are delivery mileage 2 year-old ICE vehicles knocking about in the system, and it seems there are, how freaking stupid do you have to be to pre-register ICE cars with EV sales targets hanging over you?

@EnterName That is real world.

Like MX30 ev,s not getting 100 miles from a full charge. 

 

It was a balls up all around with the ZEV mandate.   Best part it is giving chances to by cheap new or nearly new EV,s and those not even interested time to feel superior while not buying or leasing one. 

 

The UK is full of cars in Stock and the Finance that Dealerships and Traders use is from Banks and Financial Institutions ad that is peoples saving and pension funds.

 

The Subscription Model crashed.  That was quite a few of Boris Johnson's backers behind that. 

Edited 16 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

22 minutes ago, EnterName said:

Whatever you say, Wyx. 🤷‍♂️

The cars are registered in 2023. Your sales figure are in 2024, not factually comparable.

Also you got the percentage calculation wrong. May I suggest you revisit maths classes. 

 

Same parameter (<100 miles) change year to 2024 shows: 

6161 ICE vehicles 

1470 EV 

 

New & Used Cars for Sale - Auto Trader UK

 

1470 / (6161 + 1470) = 19.3% share of EV vs all vehicle for sale that was registered in 2024 

 

A point with buying one of those pre-registered cars is that although, you are essentially buying a brand-new car, you are also buying a car that is very likely to be out of date in respect of the latest model could well have extra features added in and maybe even had a face lift which will date your car quicker. Thats all fine if those things don't matter to you, and you are planning on keeping the car for a long period.

You also lose a portion of the manufacturers warranty period too.

1 hour ago, wyx087 said:

The cars are registered in 2023. Your sales figure are in 2024, not factually comparable.

Also you got the percentage calculation wrong. May I suggest you revisit maths classes. 

 

Same parameter (<100 miles) change year to 2024 shows: 

6161 ICE vehicles 

1470 EV 

 

New & Used Cars for Sale - Auto Trader UK

 

1470 / (6161 + 1470) = 19.3% share of EV vs all vehicle for sale that was registered in 2024 

 

I literally used the numbers you provided @wyx087. 🤣

 

It's NOT the same search parameters.

Up to 500 miles and registered in 2023 was my search criteria. If you move the goalposts, you get different results. 🤷‍♂️

Edited 16 January, 20251 yr by EnterName

1 hour ago, Ootohere said:

Best part it is giving chances to by cheap new or nearly new EV,s and those not even interested time to feel superior while not buying or leasing one. 

I think to feel superior on this issue, you need to be driving around in a vehicle that you've convinced yourself is somehow fighting climate change.

12 minutes ago, EnterName said:

I literally used the numbers you provided @wyx087. 🤣

1 out of 2 numbers used for the percentage came out of stuff you typed into Google, you did not make the effort to state year (rubbish in, rubbish out). Therefore the numbers are not comparable. 

 

In oder to work out pecentage of something, you first need to use comparable numbers. Then you need to divide the number by the total (A / (A + B)). 

 

Primary school maths class stuff. May be better education is needed rather than only posting one liner. 

11 minutes ago, EnterName said:

I think to feel superior on this issue, you need to be driving around in a vehicle that you've convinced yourself is somehow fighting climate change.

In the 1990's SAAB claimed that the exhaust emissions from a SAAB 9000 in cities contained less NOx and HC than the intake air, so greenwashing isn't a new phenomenon.

 

There are many matches on Google, here's just one Reducing Tailpipe Emissions: Clean SAAB 9000

@EnterNameI think those that can do a couple of weeks travel and  300 miles for under £7.00 might feel ok about using an EV.       Not even a thought about saving the world as using a petrol or diesel when that suited rather than paying 10 times as much to run the EV and public charge. 

Edited 16 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

 

Data that is missing from autotrader would be the date the car was built too.

 

Some cars are relatively old when registered.

 

It is useful to check the vin and even model year against the registration plate.

 

vehicle can only be considered new if it:

• has not been permanently registered in any other country
• has not been sold for retail (this is where a vehicle is sold between non motor traders)
• has reasonable delivery mileage
• is a current model or a model that has stopped being produced in the last 2 years

Edited 16 January, 20251 yr by Stonekeeper