1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

 

Some cars have battery heaters and some dont and some it depends on the market.  Nordic Zoes might have a battery heater, Scenic have battery heater but they only come if you schedule an in journey charge through the Google 12 in built software. Us users are asking for our own override and for it to be provided by over air update.

 

Just might be worth it to do the battery heat up, maybe combine with an early click and collect shop.  Roads are quitish round here, motorway north of Worcester 50 mph speed limit due to the making of extra laybys to correct the lack of them on smart motorway, going south is one of the largest gaps between junctions ie J7 for south Worcester to the South Wales M50 turn, too far really but the A449 runs north of Worcester, just about 3 miles o a quick run back and forth, a nice hill on the way back, a bit of peddle to the metal pulling 100 to 125 Kw ie 135 to 170 hp should warm the battery and cabin up a bit, back on the home charger for 15 minutes a be ready to go for the long journey a bit later.

 

My companies solid state Bluecars in Paris, we had about 5,000 on the Parisian streets, done similar in Singapore and other places, kept the battery at toastie 50C ready for hire..

 

    

No, I fully understand the reason for warming the battery up before putting that top up charge in it, BUT, could you imagine having to do the same with an ICE before topping the tank up for a long trip? Also the comment I made about increasing the chance of being in an RTA is actually not as daft or flippant as some people appear to think it is, ask any professional driver, like a truck or a bus driver and that will tell you an accident is an occupational hazard and every extra journey or extra mile increases that risk of being in an accident.

 

Accident aren't planned and most of us experienced drivers will also say that when they are involved in an accident, it is usually the other driver's fault, not theirs. The same thing when my car got written off while I was making an extra trip to pick up my son from his work because he had items with him that would make getting a bus difficult to do. So I made the extra trip and crash, bye bye car.

 

Had I not gone to pick him up, that car would very likely still be the one I have now.

 

So the analogy is that taking that EV for a quick blast to warm the battery is like that extra trip I made when my car was written by some idiot, if you don't have to it, then it lowers the risk of having an accident.

5 hours ago, Stonekeeper said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/derbyshire/3090539.stm

 

village of Coton in the Elms Derbyshire

 

The Ordnance Survey has calculated it is the furthest point from the sea in all the UK. ?

Well, that article is completely wrong, we are not talking about what is the most central point of the UK (which looking at the map the BBC is using, totally ignores the fact Wales is stuck on the side of England. In order to reach tidal water that is navigable with a floating tanker, you need to reach the coast, not the English border with Wales.

 

The statement was made by @Ootoherethat no place in the UK was more than 75 miles away from the sea which it clearly is not correct, and you can do the experiment I did by downloading Google Earth Pro and use the ruler function built into it and check it out, fact check first hand. If it's possible to check something yourself, then that is what I normally do, using someone else's check such as the BBC article is wrong You are free to try and prove me wrong.

Surely just use a map and pair of compasses and set at a scale of 75 miles according to the map and see how you get on with a circle 150 miles in circumference.  Old school pilot type thing.   Bombs away. 

@EnterName re Hungary.  Are you blind to the corruption and the treatment of people in Hungary?  It seems so. 

4 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

@EnterName re Hungary.  Are you blind to the corruption and the treatment of people in Hungary?  It seems so. 

It's not his vision that's the problem 😉

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

Well, that article is completely wrong, we are not talking about what is the most central point of the UK (which looking at the map the BBC is using, totally ignores the fact Wales is stuck on the side of England. In order to reach tidal water that is navigable with a floating tanker, you need to reach the coast, not the English border with Wales.

 

The statement was made by @Ootoherethat no place in the UK was more than 75 miles away from the sea which it clearly is not correct, and you can do the experiment I did by downloading Google Earth Pro and use the ruler function built into it and check it out, fact check first hand. If it's possible to check something yourself, then that is what I normally do, using someone else's check such as the BBC article is wrong You are free to try and prove me wrong.

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

Well, that article is completely wrong, we are not talking about what is the most central point of the UK (which looking at the map the BBC is using, totally ignores the fact Wales is stuck on the side of England. In order to reach tidal water that is navigable with a floating tanker, you need to reach the coast, not the English border with Wales.

 

The statement was made by @Ootohere

 

What are the rules for a port? 

The UKs most inland port/ docks is in Gloucester on the river Severn.

23 minutes ago, Lee01 said:

 

What are the rules for a port? 

The UKs most inland port/ docks is in Gloucester on the river Severn.

I really have no idea, but seeing as the original statement was 75 miles from the sea, then sea to me means salt water and beaches and I certainly would not call the Port of London the sea, nor Liverpool Docks, Manchester, Ipswich, Glasgow etc as where are the sandy beaches?

Edited 19 January, 20251 yr by Graham Butcher

New Brighton: From the beach there are striking views over the Liverpool city skyline.  The beach is a good place to watch ships sailing out from the mouth of the Mersey estuary into the Irish Sea.  

8 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

I really have no idea, but seeing as the original statement was 75 miles from the sea, then sea to me means salt water and beaches and I certainly would not call the Port of London the sea, nor Liverpool Docks, Manchester, Ipswich, Glasgow etc as where are the sandy beaches?

The Severn is tidal. There's salt water up so far and a good bore ridden by surfers twice a year. 

https://lbndaily.co.uk/740-tankers-9m-tonnes-crude-oil-mersey-year/

 

Essar Oil’s huge refinery at Stanlow supplies 16% of the UK’s road fuel and its round-the-clock operation sees 740 tankers and 9m tonnes of crude oil in the Mersey estuary each year.

12 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

https://lbndaily.co.uk/740-tankers-9m-tonnes-crude-oil-mersey-year/

 

Essar Oil’s huge refinery at Stanlow supplies 16% of the UK’s road fuel and its round-the-clock operation sees 740 tankers and 9m tonnes of crude oil in the Mersey estuary each year.

 

Back in the 60s my dad made a fortune for those times cleaning subs on the Manchester ship canal. They didn't patrol canals 😂

Edited 19 January, 20251 yr by Lee01

3 minutes ago, Lee01 said:

The Severn is tidal. There's salt water up so far and a good bore ridden by surfers twice a year. 

I know, but beaches? Would any children get really excited if you said to we are going to the seaside and all they got was mud. 

 

Maldon in Essex, where my sons work is tidal, but its local name is Maldon on Mud.

 

Maldon, Essex, Walking Tour, Historic Town, High Street, Promenade Park, Walk, Countryside Town, 4K

So your idea of a coast or whatever it is means it must have a beach for the kiddies to build sand castles on?

Holy crap you're getting ridiculous now 😂

1 hour ago, Stonekeeper said:

And where are the corresponding locations on the East coast then?  It is interesting however when we really start to look into the nitty gritty of the UK, how small it really is and yet it takes so flipping long to get anywhere within it.🤬

 

 

What a song and dance about my 75 miles from someone with 750 miles range from his cars fuel tank.     I met a guy with a Nissan Leaf at the time of COVID that went from Royal Deeside to Glasgow to a protest that was held every month. He was out of work and managed to go because charging was free.  The only issue was the Leaf was only good for 60 miles between charges.  It needed to be charged at least 5 times each way.  I sometimes spotted the car at chargers and him having a sleep.  Someone that knew him told me that he went to London to a protest match and it took a week.     PS, if I choice to nip on in the Electric Mini then it is only good for 80 miles or so.   But if I set off from Glenshee or the Lecht to the coast 'From the Mountains to the Sea'  I use less electricity than going through other way.        Simples more downhill as the Sea is always at sea level as is the tidal rivers. 

Edited 20 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

Ah the good old days, where charging was free and early adopters were friendly. It was a tight nit community. 

 

Nowadays, Tesla seems to have been bought by BMW and Audi drivers. Niro and Leaf 40 by taxi drivers. 😜

 

 

Reporting are saying all car makers meet the 2024 ZEV mandate, zero fines: 

All carmakers in UK to escape fines for missing electric car sales targets in 2024 | Automotive industry | The Guardian

 

Biggest shortfall (and purchased credit from others) are: Suzuki Group, Ford Group and Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi.

VAG had a small shortfall. 

 

 

Update on Autotrader numbers for <100 miles 2024 cars: (click on filters and select fuel type to see the numbers) 

New & Used Cars for Sale - Auto Trader UK

At time of posting, 1405 EV / 7425 total for sale = 18.9%, seeing a decrease in proportion of EV's on sale compared to last time sample was taken. 

45 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

What a song and dance about my 75 miles from someone with 750 miles range from his cars fuel tank.     I met a guy with a Nissan Leaf at the time of COVID that went from Royal Deeside to Glasgow to a protest that was held every month. He was out of work and managed to go because charging was free.  The only issue was the Leaf was only good for 60 miles between charges.  It needed to be charged at least 5 times each way.  I sometimes spotted the car at chargers and him having a sleep.  Someone that knew him told me that he went to London to a protest match and it took a week.     PS, if I choice to nip on in the Electric Mini then it is only good for 80 miles or so.   But if I set off from Glenshee or the Lecht to the coast 'From the Mountains to the Sea'  I use less electricity than going through other way.        Simples more downhill as the Sea is always at sea level as is the tidal rivers. 

Yes, I'm just doing a tonque in cheek bit of what @wyx087 loves to do, correct an inaccuracy and makes absolutely zero difference what type of power is being used. 

 

It helps to take my mind of the not very pleasant family drama that is going on here. 😏😏

Edited 20 January, 20251 yr by Graham Butcher

9 hours ago, Lee01 said:

So your idea of a coast or whatever it is means it must have a beach for the kiddies to build sand castles on?

Holy crap you're getting ridiculous now 😂

Oh, so going down to Tilbury sitting on the dockside looking at Kent across a narrow river counts as a coast? 

 

Continue with magic mushrooms then eh🙄🙄🙄🙄.

 

I can just about accept New Brighton as you can actually look out across the sea, but ports in an a river don't really count. 

Edited 20 January, 20251 yr by Graham Butcher

Amazon makes UK’s largest-ever order of electric trucks

https://www.multimodal.org.uk/article/amazon-makes-uks-largest-ever-order-of-electric-trucks?utm_source=feedotter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=FO-01-17-2025&utm_content=httpswwwmultimodalorgukarticleamazonmakesukslargesteverorderofelectrictrucks

A

mazon is expanding zero-exhaust emission deliveries with the UK’s largest-ever order of electric trucks as well as the launch of rail deliveries across the UK.

More than 140 new electric Mercedes-Benz Truck eActros 600 trucks and eight Volvo FM Battery Electric trucks are joining Amazon’s transportation network over the next 18 months as part of the UK’s largest-ever electric heavy vehicles (eHGV) order.   Once fully operational, these new eHGVs are expected to transport more than 300 million packages each year with no exhaust emissions. The new electric trucks will haul trailers with products and packages to and from fulfilment centres, sort centres and delivery stations to customer doorsteps.   Around 20 of the Mercedes-Benz trucks will join Amazon’s transportation network following the company’s participation in the UK Government’s Zero Emission HGV and Infrastructure Demonstrator programme (ZEHID), with a proportion funded by the Department for Transport and coordinated in partnership with Innovate UK. Amazon has also added eight Volvo FM Battery Electric trucks as part of the programme.  To support the expanded fleet, Amazon will install additional fast charging infrastructure across key UK sites, including 360kW electric charging points capable of charging the 40-tonne Mercedes-Benz trucks from 20 to 80 per cent in just over an hour. The new electric trucks will have a range of 310 miles (500km) on full charge.

 

Future of Roads Minister Lilian Greenwood said:  “Business has a crucial role to play in decarbonising our roads, and that’s why it’s fantastic to see Amazon place the UK’s biggest ever order of electric trucks, supported in part by the Government’s £200m ‘Zero Emission HGV and Infrastructure Demonstrator’ project. This comes on top of our £2.3 billion to help industry and consumers switch to electric vehicles, supporting jobs, attracting investment and making Britain a clean energy superpower.”

9 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

And where are the corresponding locations on the East coast then?  It is interesting however when we really start to look into the nitty gritty of the UK, how small it really is and yet it takes so flipping long to get anywhere within it.🤬

 

 

The point about the East Coast is from the same Asda, those distances would longer, so had I been more precise in selecting the central point, my example might have been a better example, as it it was done with zero sleep to fill a unpleasant wait. 

 

Ships, big ones, sometimes come quite a long way up rivers.

 

Two more berths being built at London Gateway just a bit down the river from Tilbury.  Think they are going to be suitable for ultra large container vessel which I presume is like of Jaques Saade..... 23,000 TEU.

 

 

I have sailed in to Belgium, via the W Schelde, up to Ghent, we were about 100,000 tonnes displacement ie nearly twice the size of the Ark Royal, QE, PoW aircraft carriers.

New BYD car carrier, 9,200 car carrier....

 

 

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

 

Ships, big ones, sometimes come quite a long way up rivers.

 

Two more berths being built at London Gateway just a bit down the river from Tilbury.  Think they are going to be suitable for ultra large container vessel which I presume is like of Jaques Saade..... 23,000 TEU.

 

 

I have sailed in to Belgium, via the W Schelde, up to Ghent, we were about 100,000 tonnes displacement ie nearly twice the size of the Ark Royal, QE, PoW aircraft carriers.

New BYD car carrier, 9,200 car carrier....

 

 

I don't understand why so many people are struggling with the concept of sea. I'm well aware of the fact that there are indeed ports far inland such as Thames Gateway, Liverpool, Tilbury, Port of London, Kings Lynn, Hull, Dundee, Sharpness, Milford Haven, even Manchester and some more, but it really is a stretch of the imagination to call them the sea.

 

Perhaps you also call the Panama Canal and the Suez Canal the sea just because a ship can use it, why not say that every river is the sea, after all most are connected to the sea at some point ??

Edited 20 January, 20251 yr by Graham Butcher