10 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

And where are the corresponding locations on the East coast then?  It is interesting however when we really start to look into the nitty gritty of the UK, how small it really is and yet it takes so flipping long to get anywhere within it.🤬

 

 

 

 

You have confused me now, i thought we were looking for the place in the uk furthest from a sea, which i believed would have been in the midlands, you suggested Walsall i then discovered it was supposed to be Coton in the Elms. Can you identify anywhere else?

Sea going vessels, ports / harbours where oil and gas products get landed.  Off the coast like in the Forth.  The tankers load or unload while at sea.  1/2 mile off maybe.    Or Perth Harbour, right up the River Tay and 15 miles from the Sea at Dundee and  in the tidal  river.      Clue to tidal rivers, salt water before it becomes not salt water because it is fresh water coming down from it's source to meet tidal water.   The sea trout and salmond no where they are as in sea water then not sea water.  That is going up rivers or coming down.    Rivers do not really flow up hill.  Optical illusions can make it look so when canoeing / kayaking on them.     There is laws on rivers,  navigable or not. 

Edited 20 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

I don't understand why so many people are struggling with the concept of sea. I'm well aware of the fact that there are indeed ports far inland such as Thames Gateway, Liverpool, Tilbury, Port of London, Kings Lynn, Hull, Dundee, Sharpness, Milford Haven, even Manchester and some more, but it really is a stretch of the imagination to call them the sea.

 

Perhaps you also call the Panama Canal and the Suez Canal the sea just because a ship can use it, why not say that every river is the sea, after all most are connected to the sea at some point ??

 

I think the key determining factor is navigatable.

 

By water going vessel to transfer goods from land vessel to sea vessel. 

 

Edited 20 January, 20251 yr by lol-lol

Sorry everyone, it does indeed seem that I had got my wires slightly crossed, and it all started when @Ootohere happened to mention that nowhere in the UK was more than 75 miles from the sea. As I happen to live in the south-east, which at first glance seems to be the widest part of the UK, and while my sleep-deprived brain (family member had a massive stroke is now on palliative care in hospital and naturally next kin families want to be there in support of their passing), I thought that was distance was incorrect and then when I saw the BBC map (below), my brain kicked into overdrive. I guess it was a sub conscious attempt to distract my mind from the anguish that was happening in front of me.

 

Anyway I saw that map in thought the Coton in the Elms appeared equidistant between Boston and the border between England and Wales. I thought that wales needed to be added on in order to go from coast to coast. To me and it still is, a coast mines that standing at waters edge looking straight ahead you should not be able to see directly in front of you land that is part of the land you are standing on, hence why I said ports that are in a river are not coast, because that fails the acid test as the visible land across the river is still the UK. 

 

Ok I'll get my coat.........

 

 

 

 

 

  

Edited 20 January, 20251 yr by Graham Butcher

13 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

To me and it still is, a coast mines that standing at waters edge looking straight ahead you should not be able to see directly in front of you land that is part of the land you are standing on, hence why I said ports that are in a river are not coast, because that fails the acid test as the visible land across the river is still the UK.

By this argument Southampton is not on a coast because Isle of Wight, Oban because Carrera...

6 minutes ago, Paws4Thot said:

By this argument Southampton is not on a coast because Isle of Wight, Oban because Carrera...

Oh OK, except of course, there is no actual physical land connection between them. With a river, there is, it is perfectly possible to travel along on bank to the origin of the river and then travel back to a point opposite where you started from.

 

Strewth, who would have thought it was so difficult to make a point 😉

 

 

Edited 20 January, 20251 yr by Graham Butcher

59 minutes ago, Paws4Thot said:

By this argument Southampton is not on a coast because Isle of Wight, Oban because Carrera...

 

Southampton is not the Ocean port on the South coast as Plymouth is the Ocean city and Poole, Portsmouth and Southampton not.

 

Even though Southampton has Ocean Village where the ex Chancellor has major property. Nice place to catch a cruise liner I suppose.

 

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

Southampton is not the Ocean port on the South coast as Plymouth is the Ocean city and Poole, Portsmouth and Southampton not.

Debatable what the relative merits of those ports are:

 

Southampton - major container port, major cruise terminal, ferries to France and Isle of Wight.

 

Plymouth - major Navy port, ferries to France.

 

Portsmouth - major Navy port, ferries to France and Isle of Wight.

 

Poole - ferries to the Channel Islands.

Just now, PetrolDave said:

Debatable what the relative merits of those ports are:

 

Southampton - major container port, major cruise terminal, ferries to France and Isle of Wight.

 

Plymouth - major Navy port, ferries to France.

 

Portsmouth - major Navy port, ferries to France and Isle of Wight.

 

Poole - ferries to the Channel Islands.

 

Us from Plymouth don't like Portmouth due to naval dockyard competition, Portsmouth and Southampton have hated each other for decades going back to Southampton workers breaking a dockyard strike that was going on.

 

One thing we all have in common is terrible football teams.

 

I thought that major port for the UK was Dover hence the operation known as "stack" in Kent? 

28 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

I thought that major port for the UK was Dover hence the operation known as "stack" in Kent? 

 

I think tonnage it might be Hull estuary due to the amount of bulk cargo. Tens of millions of tonnes if memory serves.

 

When in British Merchant Navy never came to UK as Antwerp, Hamburg and Rotterdam are well massive.

 

2 hours ago, PetrolDave said:

Debatable what the relative merits of those ports are:

 

Southampton - major container port, major cruise terminal, ferries to France and Isle of Wight.

 

Plymouth - major Navy port, ferries to France.

 

Portsmouth - major Navy port, ferries to France and Isle of Wight.

 

Poole - ferries to the Channel Islands.

 

Portsmouth - major Navy port, ferries to France,Spain and Isle of Wight.

36 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

 

Portsmouth - major Navy port, ferries to France,Spain and Isle of Wight.

 

Home of the SBS !

 

11 hours ago, wyx087 said:

Ah the good old days, where charging was free and early adopters were friendly. It was a tight nit community.

Nowadays, Tesla seems to have been bought by BMW and Audi drivers. Niro and Leaf 40 by taxi drivers. 😜

I've only seen one Tesla (or any EV for that matter, but it happened to be a Tesla) driven badly IRL. Some woman was weaving in and out of traffic like a loon on the M42.

I understand the temptation to misbehave in them, the acceleration must be intoxicating, especially with most ICE cars substantially slower than you.

But in my experience, EVs seem to be driven very responsibly, as a demographic.

@EnterName that is how the Green hippy and Woke tribes are, chilled, considerate and just get on getting on. 

15 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

@EnterName that is how the Green hippy and Woke tribes are, chilled, considerate and just get on getting on. 

EVs are just for wokies?

Well I'm DEFINITELY not getting one then. 😋

Just for those getting Free ones and feeling superior for green credentials i thought from your previous comments.

 

Anyway, get out and about and see just how many nut jobs there are in EV,s, usually on the dash to get to the chargers after driving without tail lights or headlights to eek out range, all dressed up for the cold weather or cars interior.

2 hours ago, EnterName said:

I've only seen one Tesla (or any EV for that matter, but it happened to be a Tesla) driven badly IRL. Some woman was weaving in and out of traffic like a loon on the M42.

I understand the temptation to misbehave in them, the acceleration must be intoxicating, especially with most ICE cars substantially slower than you.

But in my experience, EVs seem to be driven very responsibly, as a demographic.

Perhaps you need to get out more 😉try driving around my city or London, and you'll see plenty of them being driven badly.

17 hours ago, lol-lol said:

Us from Plymouth don't like Portmouth due to naval dockyard competition, Portsmouth and Southampton have hated each other for decades going back to Southampton workers breaking a dockyard strike that was going on.

 

One thing we all have in common is terrible football teams.

I understand as my GF was born in Plymouth and I used to live in Southampton and work in Portsmouth (so am familiar with the phrases "Pompey Lil' & 'Scummers'!).

15 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

Home of the SBS !

 

Aren't they based at Poole?

1 hour ago, Dieselgate said:

Aren't they based at Poole?

 

I could tell you but  I would have to silence you later.

 

Anybody who says they know probably is Billie bull****ing.

 

As SBS is closely associated with the Marines I suspect they could be all over ie Lympstone, Aberdeen, or anywhere in the world including undercover in hostile countries for weeks or months.

 

These UK military personnel are nowhere and everywhere, we would have them join us on a customs cutter, arrive in the night on a super fast RIB, keep to themselves, have lots of scary guns as we had none but great to have them with us when boarding vessels we expect were tooled up.

 

Even family members do not know where or what they do they just go off and then come back, not a word said.

 

We have loads around Plymouth and Devon. Like Hereford best to be nice to anyone who looks like they are special services and they don't all look like muscle brawn men but quite normal maybe except for a steely stare.

 

2 hours ago, Dieselgate said:

Aren't they based at Poole?

Yes, according to Wikipedia.

21 minutes ago, Paws4Thot said:

Yes, according to Wikipedia.

 

Slightly odd place for them to be based in a place with no motorway connections.

 

I think the SBS did hold the record for south coast to Aberdeen in a ridicously small number of hours. Range Rover flat out, must have had to stop for fuel couple of times at least as probably doing about 13 mpg.

 

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

 

Slightly odd place for them to be based in a place with no motorway connections.

 

I think the SBS did hold the record for south coast to Aberdeen in a ridicously small number of hours. Range Rover flat out, must have had to stop for fuel couple of times at least as probably doing about 13 mpg.

 

Surely you're not suggesting that the SBS broke the law by speeding, are you?

@lol-lol - S BOAT S. Point taken about Poole?