Oil and gas production has been down in Norway but no way is Norway stopping producing and selling oil and gas around the world as that is where their wealth came and comes from. As it is with electricity from Hydro and selling that for profits to other nations.   This wealth allowed then to cut pollution and for citizens to have a nice life.  And you need a nice income to be able to live comfortably because food and drink is expensive and your utilities are not cheap.   As to unhealthy foods these are costly.     Wealthier than the USA without being the cause of wars and selling weapons to kill and maim others to be sure of oil and gas. 

Edited 19 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

3 hours ago, Ootohere said:

Sam Evans.  EXPERTS.  Pick an expert!  Then Pick a number any number.   98% EV,s charged at home.  Not even cars, let alone EV,s.  Vans.    How quickly are the petrol and diesels already in the UK going to be scrapped is what will be relevant to reduced places to fill up.  As to supermarkets with filling stations not having pumps anymore, well they caused the closing of many filling stations privately run.     I predict fuel being better priced as petrol and diesel is a product that comes while refining oil to produce petrochemicals.  As far as filling stations not being charities.   There are in the UK Community Fuel Pumps.  Run by locals for locals and tourists because there was not a huge demand for a Filling Station but to fill up required a 50 mile round trip.      Until councils do not require diesel for their vehicles then Diesel is getting delivered to them and there can be Local Authority depots serving fuel.    Local fuels for local folks.  It arrives at ports and no place in the UK is more than 75 miles from the sea. 

 

We know the Saudis can make a profit on crude oil selling it at $20 a barrel but other locations like further out in the North Sea might need a price of something like $70 a barrel.

 

The UK and Europe need energy security and hence nuclear and even gas etc is likely to be part of the mix for years to come and we need oil for plastics.

 

Maybe one day we will revert to what drivers and riders had to go in the original days and go and get 1,2,5 gallons from hardware store ie before petrol stations came about.

 

2 hours ago, Ootohere said:

Oil and gas production has been down in Norway but no way is Norway stopping producing and selling oil and gas around the world as that is where their wealth came and comes from. As it is with electricity from Hydro and selling that for profits to other nations.   This wealth allowed then to cut pollution and for citizens to have a nice life.  And you need a nice income to be able to live comfortably because food and drink is expensive and your utilities are not cheap.   As to unhealthy foods these are costly.     Wealthier than the USA without being the cause of wars and selling weapons to kill and maim others to be sure of oil and gas. 

 

Norwegian gas in high demand. Hungary and Slovakia, possibly Austria too to a degree, not getting the Russian gas they relied on and having to buy the more expensive LNG brought in from Middle East.

 

One report said crude production and consumption will continue to climb until 2030.

 

Tenerife was like stepping back in time dye to low excise duties on fuel, fuel was about 1.1 Euros per litre ie well less than a pound a litre. Despite the all year round sun shine little solar to be seen. There are many countries and places like this, central and south America for example. Many countries will lag the transition but one as to look at Australia which has gone from a gas guzzling coal power station domination to large parts now totally supplied by renewable.

 

 

Edited 19 January, 20251 yr by lol-lol

 

Hungary has no problem getting Gas or Nuclear energy.  Putin s puppy Viktor Orban does as told.

It is Austria and Germany that wants it from them.

That is because Germany really breaks sanctions and uses the likes of Hungary.  Hence Hungary does not get thrown out of the EU.

 

 

Edited 19 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

4 hours ago, Ootohere said:

 It arrives at ports and no place in the UK is more than 75 miles from the sea. 

Now that is just a load guff, I doubt that is even as the crow flies, it certainly is not if driving, from the centre of Walsall it is well over 115 miles to either coast.

 

That 75 miles is just like the supposed EV range, fanciful.😄

These citizens of Australia, USA etc, even the UK could maybe just live without electricity then or water coming out of taps. 

 

How much do they think the Canals / Waterways and reseviours cost originally, and the tracks then roads, railways, airports and ports cost to have and who paid. 

Maybe people for the past 100 years got stuff cheap and too easily.

 

@Graham Butcher  Hardly guff, but yes as the crow flies no further than 71 miles from the coast, but as it is the Tanker will need to drive further if it is a tanker. 

Not a pipeline inland to a depot where fuel is collected. 

 

Head for thinking, feet for dancing, or cycling, and use some common sense. 

 

104 miles or even 115  if we do not take pipeline or pylons more directly to those in the Center of England and that want energy / fuel and to keep on rolling coal. 

 

 

The Forties pipeline comes ashore at Cruden Bay and then runs south down Scotland to Grangemouth and the refinery.

There are pipelines to Airports for fuel, there was and is to Military Air Bases, there was to Edzell Air Base near Brechin, near the Forties Pipeline. 

There is Bunkered Fuel held in regions incase of Crisis / Civil Unrest. Fuel Shortages, Industrial Action, Terrorism. 

 

 

 

Edited 19 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

 

That 75 miles is just like the supposed EV range, fanciful

A wee bit. Walsall to Manchester is 79 or 80 miles by actual roads. There may be shorter routes to docks on the Manchester Ship Canal, but I don't know the said canal well enough to be certain.

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

Now that is just a load guff, I doubt that is even as the crow flies, it certainly is not if driving, from the centre of Walsall it is well over 115 miles to either coast.

 

That 75 miles is just like the supposed EV range, fanciful.😄

 

The nearest beach to walsall i think would be 83 mile

 

https://maps.app.goo.gl/UVoS2DUsaoqAPvQj8

Edited 19 January, 20251 yr by Stonekeeper

At least even ELECTRIC FUEL TANKERS, as in EV Tankers carrying liquid fuel should be able to transport fuel to the center of the British Isles without needing to stop to recharge.   Just need to get a charge and then they can do the return journey carrying their load from The CARBON CAPTURE PLANT. 

 

1 hour ago, Ootohere said:

@Graham Butcher  Hardly guff, but yes as the crow flies no further than 71 miles from the coast, but as it is the Tanker will need to drive further if it is a tanker. 

Not a pipeline inland to a depot where fuel is collected. 

 

Head for thinking, feet for dancing, or cycling, and use some common sense. 

 

104 miles or even 115  if we do not take pipeline or pylons more directly to those in the Center of England and that want energy / fuel and to keep on rolling coal. 

 

The Forties pipeline comes ashore at Cruden Bay and then runs south down Scotland to Grangemouth and the refinery.

There are pipelines to Airports for fuel, there was and is to Military Air Bases, there was to Edzell Air Base near Brechin, near the Forties Pipeline. 

There is Bunkered Fuel held in regions incase of Crisis / Civil Unrest. Fuel Shortages, Industrial Action, Terrorism. 

 

Hardley guff I used as the anchor point Asda in central Walsall to the pier head (most logical for a tanker to dock) on Google Earth Pro and as you will see on the attached, it is 87.67 miles in dead straight line so that is greater than 75, yes? The nearest sea on the East Coast is Holbeach (RAF bombing range) to the same Asda is 92.11 miles, again greater than the 75 miles (just saying that it does not matter even if a pipeline was laid it would not be dead straight) I expect that there are many places in England that are even further away from the coast, so as a matter of fact it was guff after all 😉Highly likely to be 100%  true up in Scotland, but certainly not so down South.

 

Google Earth for proving? 😉

 

The underground pipelines to airfields and especially WW2 airfields, yes, I'm well aware of those as I'm also involved with military aviation both current and historic along with their airfields, and regularly help out with a couple of WW2 Spitfires and also a Mustang P51 flying warbirds.

 

But I do get your general drift as the UK is really quite small when compared to other countries.

Yes but distributing Liquid fuel to parts of the UK will never be an issue was the point.   Now there are small independent with their own tanker and operators licence collecting fuel from depots.   As they did in the last English Fuel crisis and rip off prices.    The end is Nye, queues in London.   PS. Get in a bus, a tram or a trains, subway, walk, cycle, take an electric vehicle, but there are strikes with transport workers.   How sad!

Edited 19 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

I thought the tree in Lemmington spa was the centre of England and further from the sea.

 

We have a port at Dudley.

Dudley Port.

 

I did not mean actual centre or even central down the spine.  Everyone knows London is the centre and the world revolve around there. 

9 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

I did not mean actual centre or even central down the spine.  Everyone knows London is the centre and the world revolve around there. 

You're a teaser 😊

10 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

I did not mean actual centre or even central down the spine.  Everyone knows London is the centre and the world revolve around there. 

 

Certain the money does. Some in London and SE England regard the rest of the UK as spongers.

 

Personally I think London weighting supplementary wages just keep disparity going.

 

Trick is to be paid London wages but not to live in the area, far too busy for traffic etc for my liking.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/derbyshire/3090539.stm

 

village of Coton in the Elms Derbyshire

 

The Ordnance Survey has calculated it is the furthest point from the sea in all the UK. ?

Wonder if any EV drivers, those without the ability to switch on preconditioning like some models, have ever thought of taking the EV out for a quick blast up the carriageway, just 5 or 10 minutes, then put back in charge for say 15 minutes to top off and this would warm the battery and give noticeably more range after this bit of treatment ?

 

Edited 19 January, 20251 yr by lol-lol

On 18/01/2025 at 14:12, Graham Butcher said:

So it seems that the bloggers who have said that in the past, are / were correct after all then. Electric at the moment is not what many claim it to be. You do need in some areas to plan your routes carefully, and need to allow for problems at some locations, so backups are also needed to be allowed for. 

Having to plan your route around your car's charging needs feels like going back to using public transport.

6 hours ago, Ootohere said:

Hungary has no problem getting Gas or Nuclear energy.  Putin s puppy Viktor Orban does as told.

It is Austria and Germany that wants it from them.

That is because Germany really breaks sanctions and uses the likes of Hungary.  Hence Hungary does not get thrown out of the EU.

Diplomacy with foreign countries on behalf of your own nation's people is what politicians are supposed to do.

Making life hard for British people for the benefit of Ukrainians is outside the remit of British politicians, yet they take it upon themselves to do this.

Perhaps not forever though, fingers crossed. 🤞

On 18/01/2025 at 09:48, lol-lol said:

 

Still a registration and sale which will turn up probably as a great lease deal.

 

BT bought a job lot of 3500 EV vans i gather late last year.

 

I personally don't call that a sale, it's a fudge to cook the books, full stop. 

 

A bit like putting things in your wife's name to avoid tax. 

Edited 19 January, 20251 yr by Graham Butcher

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

Wonder if any EV drivers, those without the ability to switch on preconditioning like some models, have ever thought of taking the EV out for a quick blast up the carriageway, just 5 or 10 minutes, then put back in charge for say 15 minutes to top off and this would warm the battery and give noticeably more range after this bit of treatment ?

 

That is a bit of faff, and for those on fixed annual mileage it a step too far maybe, and also increases the chance of being in RTA. 

16 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

I personally don't call that a sale, it's a fudge to cook the books, full stop. 

 

A bit like putting things in your wife's name to avoid tax. 

 

Well ordered and will be delivered by Ford, Renault, Stellantis and Toyota......   https://newsroom.bt.com/bt-group-announces-the-uks-largest-ever-electric-vehicle-ev-fleet-order/ 

 

23 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

That is a bit of faff, and for those on fixed annual mileage it a step too far maybe, and also increases the chance of being in RTA. 

 

Some cars have battery heaters and some dont and some it depends on the market.  Nordic Zoes might have a battery heater, Scenic have battery heater but they only come if you schedule an in journey charge through the Google 12 in built software. Us users are asking for our own override and for it to be provided by over air update.

 

Just might be worth it to do the battery heat up, maybe combine with an early click and collect shop.  Roads are quitish round here, motorway north of Worcester 50 mph speed limit due to the making of extra laybys to correct the lack of them on smart motorway, going south is one of the largest gaps between junctions ie J7 for south Worcester to the South Wales M50 turn, too far really but the A449 runs north of Worcester, just about 3 miles o a quick run back and forth, a nice hill on the way back, a bit of peddle to the metal pulling 100 to 125 Kw ie 135 to 170 hp should warm the battery and cabin up a bit, back on the home charger for 15 minutes a be ready to go for the long journey a bit later.

 

My companies solid state Bluecars in Paris, we had about 5,000 on the Parisian streets, done similar in Singapore and other places, kept the battery at toastie 50C ready for hire..

 

    

Edited 19 January, 20251 yr by lol-lol

3 hours ago, lol-lol said:

Wonder if any EV drivers, those without the ability to switch on preconditioning like some models, have ever thought of taking the EV out for a quick blast up the carriageway, just 5 or 10 minutes, then put back in charge for say 15 minutes to top off and this would warm the battery and give noticeably more range after this bit of treatment ?

During very early days with Leaf in the first winter, there was free rapid charging a junction away along M1 from where I work.

 

I tested both ways when I drive there. One is driving sedately to conserve energy, the other is (when safe to do so) constantly changing from max power to max regen. During winter, ambient and battery temperature had significant effect on rapid charging rate. The return battery temp was one bar higher most of the time and return after latter run was noticeably more efficient than the former drive out.

 

But I think it's only worth considering if there is free charging. Otherwise it's wasted time and effort, not to mention efficiency gain are not going to be enough to gain back energy used during that run.

 

 

Tesla only heats their battery when pre-condition from AC or if there is spare heat energy in the system. Just like Leaf, during coldest days I've seen battery at around 5c. Difference is Tesla uses heat scavenging to move any excess heat into battery once cabin is up to temperature. So just like ICE cars, Tesla's cold efficiency in short runs are atrocious. But long runs are super efficient, I almost got 4 mi/kWh on Friday over 110 miles, extrapolated range of ~270 miles at ~5c.