Vehicle registered: 27/05/2025

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This model, along with others, went into serial production on November 25, 2020, with the first cars delivered to customers in late April 2021. A new, updated version of the Enyaq entered production on February 27, 2025

Vehicle registered: 29/12/2023

1 hour ago, Dieselgate said:

Will be interesting to see if they bother to bring the powertrain to the UK market. LPG in the UK certainly has declined a lot in recent years. The Morrisons near me still sells it but I think it's the only mainstream place. About £1 a litre I think, which combined with the higher consumption probably doesn't make for much of a saving in running costs.

Looking at other countries though, it looks like some places selling it for less than 70 cents a litre in Belgium which would be nice.

Maybe if other manufacturers give it a go we might see a return but I won't be holding my breath.

Belgium also does, or did, diesel and petrol price control, ie vary the excise duty, think on a monthly basis, so the price at the pump is a snake in a tunnel concept.

Very smart. Also they have great beer and chocolate. Putting mayo on chips is a bit weird though.

I ran my Land Rovers on LPG for years. 50 pence a litre when petrol was £1 a litre.

ASDA Credit card gave 2 pence a litre off.

But the Fuel at Budgets might go up 1 or 2 pence a litre and i bought twice as many litres. some more than twice.

But then running a V8 on LPG and no Petrol with an engine built to run only on LPG gave the equivalent of 35 mpg from a 4.6 V8. Even towing a Car on a Transporter, Boat etc.

& no Techograph needed Towing for gain or Reward.

LPG was up at 75 pence a litre when i last bought any.

Still much cheapness from a Farm / Grain Driers etc, no Markers like Diesel. But buying that is illegal.

Edited 8 September, 20258 Sep by Ootohere

22 hours ago, Ootohere said:

But this is the real world.

Premium Price paid new, Business / lease, even private.

Not by Motability, they get deals like fleets might.

Used Premium EV,s selling damn cheap even compared to the Premium ICE equivalent.

So even paying £25 for 50 kWh and getting 200 miles will suit plenty.

A petrol version getting 40 mpg will be 5 gallons @ say £6 =£30. So plenty are driving ex company cars bought used, and a bargain really if buying a pretty new used car that lost 2/3rds in less than 2 years.

Long Battery Warranty and maybe an extended warranty bought. Not expensive.

Servicing need not be expensive.

I'm currently paying 1.24 a litre and get about 40mpg from the Kodiaq so roughly £28 for 200 miles.

In the swift it would be £22.50 ish for 200 miles and less if it was a motorway run.

All fuel only of course

'Currently'. Even when it is at a higher price it will be better / cheaper than those paying 75-89 pence a kWh for electric.

Not as good as those maybe paying 6.7 - 44 pence a kWh & getting 5 miles a kWh.

Ford e-Puma.

They will be 'Much cheapness' in another year and even more so in 2.

True there will be much cheapness but only because the public are showing that they don't want to go electric. So for those that do, there will be even more cheapness to be had as there will be massive discounts on offer as dealers try and cut their losses.

Looks like someone made a mistake today adjusting their price to below £30,000

16 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

True there will be much cheapness but only because the public are showing that they don't want to go electric. So for those that do, there will be even more cheapness to be had as there will be massive discounts on offer as dealers try and cut their losses.

That's not what the SMMT data is showing, BEVs and Hybrids, many now plug in, just over half of all registrations.

73.5% have an Internal Combustion Engine

Edited 8 September, 20258 Sep by Stonekeeper

16 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

73.5% have an engine

They all have engines.

Some have an Internal Combustion Engine, some use an electric motor as their engine, some have both.

Half can use a traction battery and electric motor for motive power, half have only the choice of using an ICE as motive power, nearly a quarter can use either the electric motor or ICE for motive power.

I am happy if people are buying Hybrids, plug in or non plug in. They don't get the government grant, pay more VAT on the purchase price as they are usually quite expensive and they will keep paying excise duty and VAT on the fuel they use. They don't do 700 mpg as some of them advertise and sadly their CO2 in the real world is not 10 gm/km.

I can see some future law suits on miss selling with these plug in EVs/ICE cars.

Have edited for you to be clear

17 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

They all have engines.

Some have an Internal Combustion Engine, some use an electric motor as their engine, some have both.

Half can use a traction battery and electric motor for motive power, half have only the choice of using an ICE as motive power, nearly a quarter can use either the electric motor or ICE for motive power.

I am happy if people are buying Hybrids, plug in or non plug in. They don't get the government grant, pay more VAT on the purchase price as they are usually quite expensive and they will keep paying excise duty and VAT on the fuel they use. They don't do 700 mpg as some of them advertise and sadly their CO2 in the real world is not 10 gm/km.

I can see some future law suits on miss selling with these plug in EVs/ICE cars.

You say that, but there may be law suits about EVs before this is all done and dusted as the claims made about them is also suspect. Like it or not, we do actually need vast amounts of CO2 to keep plants etc alive, who in turn give us the Oxygen we need. What would have made more sense would have been to prevent deforrrstation and this wild fires, many of which are man made by cigarettes, bbqs that get of hand etc., some are deliberate even.

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

That's not what the SMMT data is showing, BEVs and Hybrids, many now plug in, just over half of all registrations.

I was talking about 2nd hand cars, not new from the showrooms.

2nd hand surprisingly cheap for lots of them.

When not very cheap there are still people buying. There are many many thousands used EV,s and PHEV,s offered for sale.

Just as there are millions of cars / vehicles within the Motor trade / auctions, big and small dealerships.

Plenty cars to be going on with if another new car is never built in the UK & non imported.

Vehicle registered: 17/01/2025

Vehicle registered: 29/12/2022 and has done 7 miles

Vehicle registered: 19/05/2023 10miles a month?

1 hour ago, Stonekeeper said:

Vehicle registered: 29/12/2022 and has done 7 miles

Its almost as if Barrie Crampton was actually telling the real truth after all, who knew that???🙄🙄

Edited 8 September, 20258 Sep by Graham Butcher

Oops, news just come in, Nottingham City Council apparently have spent £8.7Million on a fleet of electric refuse lorries that are not as good as diesels and have cost more than double the diesel ones, electric, £560,000 each with only 12 ton capacity V diesel trucks at £265,000 each and have a payload of 20 tons.

It also transpires that in just 3 months of operating the electric lorries, they has been 11,675 missed bin collections due to them not being serviceable and capacity issues.

Plus on top of that the council are saying that because of the rising cost of electric, they costing as much to run as their diesel equivalents and not able to carry the same payloads. But they are supposed to be generating their own power from solar, more on this below.

They are now going to switching their diesel trucks over to HVO fuel.

Nottingham City Council’s costly electric bin lorries ‘may not have demonstrated good value' - Nottinghamshire Live

Nottingham City Council’s costly electric bin lorries ‘may not have demonstrated good value'

Nottingham City councillor admits buying electric bin lorries was a mistake

Their claim at the time of buying the first 2 lorries.

Turning the Council's Fleet Green - Transport Nottingham

Council reveals new names for ‘world-first’ electric bin lorries – My Nottingham News

Their claim to savings made dated December 2023.

Transition To Electric Saves Nottingham City Council £1 million In Running Costs This Year – Public Sector Focus

Figures of savings quoted on 28 Feb 2025.

Matt Ralfe - DESNZ Fleet Electrification Case Study Pres-MJR-D23.pdf

They also have been generating their own solar power to charge the lorries.

Nottingham council trials pilot to run depot fleet using electricty generated on site — Interchange UK

What is happening here then?

Edited 8 September, 20258 Sep by Graham Butcher

“Those vehicles are very, very heavy, and they have to be plugged in all night and if a plug slightly comes undone then the vehicle does not work for as long as it needs to the next day.

Get proper charge points installed. Sounds like they are using domestic 3-pin plugs 😱

Council poorly executing a good idea...... wonder where we've seen that before.

The cost front was quoted due to inflation over 6 years. I guess that's how long it take to get something done by councils 🤨

But to be fair, it's a thankless job, hard to get right. Especially with new tech.

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17 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

Get proper charge points installed. Sounds like they are using domestic 3-pin plugs 😱

Council poorly executing a good idea...... wonder where we've seen that before.

The cost front was quoted due to inflation over 6 years. I guess that's how long it take to get something done by councils 🤨

But to be fair, it's a thankless job, hard to get right. Especially with new tech.

Hardly been using a 3 pin lead, did you look at the attached links, they have even been storing solar power in a massive 1,200kWh storage battery to help with their charging.

Would be relevant if this was the truth about electric bin lorries.

To quote the council head of fleet in the article - “From a cost perspective I would replace a diesel van for an electric van and I wouldn’t even hesitate,” he added.