1 hour ago, EnterName said:

I don't think people need to identify as a Socialist on Briskoda, I think that's a given. 😋

It's more helpful for those who aren't Socialists to make themselves known. 👋

 

I do find Lee's bad smell analogy appropriate. I thought I'd left that in the Social And Chat swamp, but suddenly here it is.

Must have been the mention of Socialism. 😄

EDIT: My mistake, this is part of the Social and Chat Zone swamp. I forgot GAC/EV was part of the swamp.

So that explains the smell.

 

Might have missed a word out there as I am, apparently, a champagne socialist as socialist are not allowed to be paid more than the national average wage, currently £28k the UK stats office say.

Personally I am more cider than champagne but thought I would add the C bit b4 someone else does.

 

5 hours ago, Rooted said:

Google / search, a BBC article today.  Military trialling hydrogen charging of Electric cars.     I heard it on the radio.   I assume what need explained is the hydrogen unit is producing electric to charge BEV,s on the fleet. 

 

 

Not exactly the most efficient use of Hydrogen but i suppose good for use in remote areas like "north Yorkshire 😂" ?

 

I expect in reality it's for training in use of the equipment for operations abroad.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-68383322

 

https://www.idealhy.eu/index.php?page=lh2_outline

Hmm, I can't help but think that electric battle vehicles are not a good idea, fine in peace time but on a war footing those vehicles are going to become a sitting duck while being charged unless they can find a way to considerable speed that up?

51 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Hmm, I can't help but think that electric battle vehicles are not a good idea, fine in peace time but on a war footing those vehicles are going to become a sitting duck while being charged unless they can find a way to considerable speed that up?

 

Why not ?  Fuel can be harder to get than sun shine or wind or even a hand cranked generator.  Get a few marines together and tell then first one to 5 kWh wins and the will be cranking like mad.

 

Bit more of a challenge to make some diesel.

 

Lecky is versatile, hydrocarbons not so much. Cannot use diesel in a petrol car or visa versa.

 

Edited 26 February, 20242 yr by lol-lol

@Graham ButcherSeriously.  You are not a decision maker though.   Or an Ex Chief Whip & a Secretary of State for Transport out with the Navy today.

Or an Ex Secretary of State for Transport and now Defense out an about tooting stories and trying to Ignore Blank Firing Exercises that go pop.

 

While the UK Carrier Strike Group & HMS Prince of Wales is with the various Forces having an exercise the Royal Marines can mess about being green on Norway.

Joint Warrior 23-1, part of NATO,s Steadfast series. 

 

Obviously horses for courses.

Use Tankered in Hydrogen to generate electricity where and when, silent running and not just White Fleet.  Quads / 4x4 / vehicles and others.

It is just like bringing in liquid fuels, Gasoline, Derv / Heavy oil, LPG or other flammables, inflammables or even non-flammables.

 

Charge then in that same bomb proof bunker as the Drones are being charged or fueled, or the Water Craft are. 

Edited 26 February, 20242 yr by Rooted

5 hours ago, wyx087 said:

  

Well, here's you moving the goal post in action:

1. mention BEV battery is equivalent to fossil fuel tank. 

2. disregard valuable other uses of the battery

3. despite repeatedly explain how the liquid fuel is completely useless without engine.

4. double down on your view that out of fuel event is very important, moving your goal post closer to a rare event that disadvantage EV's, fit your narrative.

5. again, disregard other advantage and uses of BEV

6. accuse me finding "something to make EV/me look batter". Despite all I've done is follow up earlier claims pointed out in 3 with real life example.

7. post further accusation that goal post has been moved or haven't stayed within context.

 

All while ignoring the facts that doesn't fit your view/narrative:

1. running out of fuel is a very rare event. 1% of AA call out.

2. BEV battery are assets for more things than just moving the car.

 

 

I'm just spotting flaws in the stuff you say.

1. charge point installer wouldn't install charge points if charging it require crossing public path

2. ownership of short range EV is unsuitable if one cannot charge at home.

3. neighbour owns short range EV, parks cross front of your property....... but reads like only apologies now as though it rarely happens before. So how/where have they been charging previously?

4. EV range does not mean it needs recharging overnight to get beyond its range.

5. you seem unaware EV's can rapid charge, Leaf certainly can.

6. you really like name calling, I feel the Lee's pub analogy fits you well.

 

 

(I'm on fire with numbered lists this morning)

You have made my points for me rather nicely, have a nice day.

5 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

Why not ?  Fuel can be harder to get than sun shine or wind or even a hand cranked generator.  Get a few marines together and tell then first one to 5 kWh wins and the will be cranking will mad.

 

Bit more of a challenge to make some diesel.

 

Lecky is versatile, hydrocarbons not so much. Cannot use diesel in a petrol car or visa versa.

 

Have you not been watching the clips from Ukraine war, wind turbines or a solar array would be easy to spot by a drone pilot. I would also expect a hand cranked generator would take some hefty cranking to kick out any usable amount of power. 

7 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Have you not been watching the clips from Ukraine war, wind turbines or a solar array would be easy to spot by a drone pilot. I would also expect a hand cranked generator would take some hefty cranking to kick out any usable amount of power. 

 

Like the Yemen drones solar panels are cheap as chip now ie less than £30 for a 100w panel, place them 10m a part on a tree lines and even the Russians would not be able to take out thousand of panels cost effectively. You can get thousands of panels on each big truck.

 

I imagine solar is keeping thousands alive in Gaza now thank Allah, Budda, God and Jehovah for cheap solar.

Edited 26 February, 20242 yr by lol-lol

@Graham Butcher

It is sad is it not.  Ukraine and elsewhere. So many killed or maimed.  Lions lead by donkeys.

 

Someone has decided the Hydrogen is possibly a good idea and we can be sure there is cash money involved and we know who,s.  Not mine, i pay few in taxes.

If it happens with Brits  in the Military they get a higher rate of disability and can lease a better BEV or ICE vehicle.

34 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

Lecky is versatile, hydrocarbons not so much. Cannot use diesel in a petrol car or visa versa.

 

 well yes and no. Tanks can (with adjustment) can run on petrol, diesel or jet fuel

You don't see many EV tanks ;o)

5 minutes ago, Winston_Woof said:

 well yes and no. Tanks can (with adjustment) can run on petrol, diesel or jet fuel

You don't see many EV tanks ;o)

 

Not yet. Almost every other form of transportation is moving rapidly to battery and electric propulsion.

 

Motor bikes, about 300m now, car production 100m a year, vans massively transitioning, trucks undergoing take up to but need 1 MW chargers so will take a while, Ferries, went on one in Norway during the summer, fantastic.  Just aeroplanes and big ships to go.

 

Ships are transitioning to LNG from diesel before going electric probably not for a decade or so but eventually. 

 

Army, Navy and airforce will be integrating batteries in to their portfolio. Already have them for drones of course carrying surveillance and increasingly explosive too. How long has the tank got left before consigned to history books when it can be destroyed by a large cheap drone ?

 

Once they have BEV Tanks you are not supposed to see them. Well not until too late.

 

There has been battery powered submarines for long enough, or hybrid and nuclear. 

 

 

The power is going to come from the mirrors Grant Shapps is putting billions into from the UK to learn that it will not work. 

55 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

You have made my points for me rather nicely, have a nice day.

I made the point that you insist on your own narrative and disregard facts.

 

It seems you are happy to be proven that is the case. Third time ignore stuff that doesn't suit you (1, 2, 3) . Once again childishly shut down discussions that don't favour you.  Unlike last time, let's hope the toy doesn't get thrown out of the pram this time.

 

 

21 minutes ago, Winston_Woof said:

You don't see many EV tanks ;o)

Does make one wonder, if EV tanks can camouflage much better because no longer need to emit heat and can operate silently.

Edited 26 February, 20242 yr by wyx087

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 26 February, 20242 yr by Rooted

2 hours ago, wyx087 said:

I made the point that you insist on your own narrative and disregard facts.

 

It seems you are happy to be proven that is the case. Third time ignore stuff that doesn't suit you (1, 2, 3) . Once again childishly shut down discussions that don't favour you.  Unlike last time, let's hope the toy doesn't get thrown out of the pram this time.

 

You can believe whatever you want to, until you can stop ignoring things that don't suit your version of events, I'm not playing.

Edited 26 February, 20242 yr by Graham Butcher

2 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

Not yet. Almost every other form of transportation is moving rapidly to battery and electric propulsion.

 

Motor bikes, about 300m now, car production 100m a year, vans massively transitioning, trucks undergoing take up to but need 1 MW chargers so will take a while, Ferries, went on one in Norway during the summer, fantastic.  Just aeroplanes and big ships to go.

 

Ships are transitioning to LNG from diesel before going electric probably not for a decade or so but eventually. 

 

Army, Navy and airforce will be integrating batteries in to their portfolio. Already have them for drones of course carrying surveillance and increasingly explosive too. How long has the tank got left before consigned to history books when it can be destroyed by a large cheap drone ?

 

That's true, I just thought that despite the Tanks' weakness when it comes to drones, I just thought that they and missile launchers would still be around for a long time and seeing that a Challenger 2 tank weighs in at 75 tons and the missile launchers won't be far off that either that they would need massive batteries and even with solar panels, would require loads of them to recharge for the next mission and even with many smaller panels dotted around, the losses in the cabling would be massive as well, plus with the chances of sunlight bouncing off the panels would be a giveaway of the locations. Remembering the tales my Dad told me about the way field glasses (binoculars) would often give away the locations of opposing army units in WW2. 

2 hours ago, Rooted said:

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, I could see the logic in smaller vehicles like Land Rovers. Quad bikes etc as they could be useful in stealth attacks behind enemy lines and also would not take that long to recharge, but just couldn't see heavy bits like tanks etc as they would need bigger batteries and thus longer charging times or more solar etc.

3 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

Like the Yemen drones solar panels are cheap as chip now ie less than £30 for a 100w panel, place them 10m a part on a tree lines and even the Russians would not be able to take out thousand of panels cost effectively. You can get thousands of panels on each big truck.

 

I imagine solar is keeping thousands alive in Gaza now thank Allah, Budda, God and Jehovah for cheap solar.

It was not the panels being taken out, more the giveaway that there must be some heavy armour in the vicinity and then the drones could hunt them down.

18 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

It was not the panels being taken out, more the giveaway that there must be some heavy armour in the vicinity and then the drones could hunt them down.

 

I would expect the panels to be set early in the day and then left most of the day with the troops fairly far away.

Most Western countries have done their fighting at night as we have superior night vision equipment.

Weaponry is evolving as even as far back as the Falklands the onboard laser, original used for targeting, was found to be quite useful for blind the enemy.

Now we have Dragonfire which is being used in the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden. Needs more power as 30 kWs is too slow to destroy incoming drone, needs to be more like the Israeli 100 kW system used in Iron Dome so it can fry an incoming missile in a fraction of a second or no more than a second or two rather than 10-ish that Dragonfire is allegedly taking.

 

The future is mainly in energy weapons.  Good ofd fashion material strength sometimes has a place, like with the Icelandic boats beating up the RN ships is Cod war.

The Russian have a good history of improvising and we should be using all the laterally thinking we can.  Ukraine recently lost a city to the Russian advance and with Russia doubling it military budget and with its economy growing 3% last year, unlike some of the Western countries, the Western forces need to think smart which history has time and time again showed UK Generals are very bad at and it has taken new blood, clever civilians to win the wars.

 

I expect both electric vehicles and electro-magentic weapons to continue to take over from using oil powered vehicles and weapons hurling lumps of steel, or uranium, at each other.  If the West starts using nuclear material Russia has said it will also start using nuclear material in the weapons it uses and that will not be good either.  

 

Does this count 🤔🤭 

 

 

 

23 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

I would expect the panels to be set early in the day and then left most of the day with the troops fairly far away.

Most Western countries have done their fighting at night as we have superior night vision equipment.

Weaponry is evolving as even as far back as the Falklands the onboard laser, original used for targeting, was found to be quite useful for blind the enemy.

Now we have Dragonfire which is being used in the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden. Needs more power as 30 kWs is too slow to destroy incoming drone, needs to be more like the Israeli 100 kW system used in Iron Dome so it can fry an incoming missile in a fraction of a second or no more than a second or two rather than 10-ish that Dragonfire is allegedly taking.

 

The future is mainly in energy weapons.  Good ofd fashion material strength sometimes has a place, like with the Icelandic boats beating up the RN ships is Cod war.

The Russian have a good history of improvising and we should be using all the laterally thinking we can.  Ukraine recently lost a city to the Russian advance and with Russia doubling it military budget and with its economy growing 3% last year, unlike some of the Western countries, the Western forces need to think smart which history has time and time again showed UK Generals are very bad at and it has taken new blood, clever civilians to win the wars.

 

I expect both electric vehicles and electro-magentic weapons to continue to take over from using oil powered vehicles and weapons hurling lumps of steel, or uranium, at each other.  If the West starts using nuclear material Russia has said it will also start using nuclear material in the weapons it uses and that will not be good either.  

 

A few things here tweaked my interest, the nighttime fighting does not seem to be happening in Ukraine, all the heavy action and killing of the armour we get to see, is in daylight?

 

The panels might well be set up early and most troops far away, but the enemy would be looking to knock out the heavy weaponry first and leave the softer targets, troops, until later surely? With that, once the enemy see a single panel, surely would go looking for more and then find the weapons being charged. The presence of panels being the breadcrumb trail?

4 hours ago, Rooted said:

@Graham Butcher

It is sad is it not.  Ukraine and elsewhere. So many killed or maimed.  Lions lead by donkeys.

 

Someone has decided the Hydrogen is possibly a good idea and we can be sure there is cash money involved and we know who,s.  Not mine, i pay few in taxes.

If it happens with Brits  in the Military they get a higher rate of disability and can lease a better BEV or ICE vehicle.

It is indeed sad that so many are dying or being injured, and I have to admit that when it was announced that the presidency had been won by a comedian, I laughed, but it seems like he was the right man at the time.

Edited 26 February, 20242 yr by Graham Butcher

16 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

It is indeed sad that so many are dying or being injured, and I have to admit that when it was announced that the presidency had been won by a comedian, I laughed, but it seems like he was the right man at the time.

My delayed response to that news was "Cometh the hour, cometh the man".

5 hours ago, Rooted said:

There has been battery powered submarines for long enough, or hybrid and nuclear. 

Well, all submarines since 1880s, have been electric, or hybrid, the only exception has been the nuclear subs.

Edited 26 February, 20242 yr by Graham Butcher

3 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

You can believe whatever you want to, until you can stop ignoring things that don't suit your version of events, I'm not playing.

I can stop ignoring things..... so you want me to learn from you? cos you are absolutely best at it.  For example, completely ignoring how important V2x will become in the future.

 

I think you need to learn when to step away from the keyboard.

 

I personally don't see any reason why you'd continue to respond. So this shall be my last response on this matter. V2x will be HUGE in the future, ignoring it and comparing battery to fuel tank will be a mistake.