29 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

I can stop ignoring things..... so you want me to learn from you? cos you are absolutely best at it.  For example, completely ignoring how important V2x will become in the future.

 

I think you need to learn when to step away from the keyboard.

 

I personally don't see any reason why you'd continue to respond. So this shall be my last response on this matter. V2x will be HUGE in the future, ignoring it and comparing battery to fuel tank will be a mistake.

And what has V2X (Vehicle communication to Everything) got to do with a EV battery being the equivalent to a fossil fuel tank or an engine being the equivalent to a motor? All it need for the comms to take place is a 12V battery.

What Is Vehicle to Everything (V2X)? | Built In

Edited 26 February, 20242 yr by Graham Butcher

4 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

And what has V2X (Vehicle communication to Everything) got to do with a EV battery being the equivalent to a fossil fuel tank or an engine being the equivalent to a motor? All it need for the comms to take place is a 12V battery.

What Is Vehicle to Everything (V2X)? | Built In

 

  

  

10 hours ago, wyx087 said:

It will have V2L and V2G via onboard charger: https://www.press.renault.co.uk/en-gb/releases/3057

 

Info on different types of V2x tech:

 

https://thedriven.io/2024/01/10/renault-to-fit-v2g-tech-to-new-r5-but-with-a-twist/

 

 

35 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

 

  

  

 

 

To think that this sh1tshow all started through a simple analogy between an ICE and EV car, which I remind you that for those that wish to have a brand-new car each time as opposed to a second-hand one, will have zero option from 2035. And I did say that it was a car, and the point of that car was to transport people from point A to point B. In other words, to keep it simple, a straight forward substitution from an ICE to EV as that is what the average driver/owner expects their car to be. That is all the average person wants, a car to do, take them and their family out and about. 

 

Go and ask people in the street what V2H, V2G, V2X or a frunk is, and they'll just stare at you blankly, they will not have a clue.

 

The whole thing was plain and simple until you decided to throw in the proverbial curved ball as usual.

3 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

which I remind you that for those that wish to have a brand-new car each time as opposed to a second-hand one, will have zero option from 2035.

unless the government (or more accurately the civil servants running the show in reality) move the goalposts again ;o)

1 minute ago, Winston_Woof said:

unless the government (or more accurately the civil servants running the show in reality) move the goalposts again ;o)

Well we have to assume in these chats that will not be the case.

This to me currently makes zero sense at all, or am I missing something here. From April 1st New Zealand are withdrawing their concession to drivers of EV and plugin hybrids of zero RUC (Road User Charge) chargeable by the km or mile and will start charging them in order to ensure that EV drivers also contribute towards the upkeep of the roads.

 

Electric vehicles to pay road user charges | Beehive.govt.nz

It is also reported that drivers of plug-in hybrids been trying to remove the plug-in system and register their cars as pure petrol or diesel powered cars as it would mean that they will in effect be paying double taxation, once on the litres of fuel they purchase and then by the distance they travel? 

 

 

^^^WTF.  Has he forgot anything he ever knew about engineering or mechanical engineering or the Use of British English!

That would be the socket they wanted disconnected it looks like and not the plug.

Disabling the Battery charging.  so as well to get thew battery out.    The 12kWh battery.   Supposedly a 28 mile range. 

They do have 2x 60 kW motors for the AWD though. 

 

The plug is the end on the charger or cable that gets plugged into a vehicle.  The Mitsubishi or other PHEV,s do not have a cable attached to them with a plug on them.

 

They are horrible polluting vehicles anyway from 2013 or nearer that never had good range charged or good efficiency with power in the battery.

Just taxation cheaters, 

Edited 26 February, 20242 yr by Rooted

I just watched this interesting video about filling a Hydrogen car from 10% level to 100%, just 4:30 minutes, pretty good, but the delivery hose almost froze solid, how would that hose hold up doing that all the time?

 

 

Maybe watch the vehicles in Aberdeen filling up with hydrogen.  I linked the videos before. 

4 minutes ago, Rooted said:

^^^ That would be the socket they wanted disconnected it looks like and not the plug.

Disabling the Battery charging.  so as well to get thew battery out.    The 12kWh battery.   Supposedly a 28 mile range. 

They do have 2x 60 kW motors for the AWD though. 

 

The plug is the end on the charger or cable that gets plugged into a vehicle.  The Mitsubishi or other PHEV,s do not have a cable attached to them with a plug on them.

 

They are horrible polluting vehicles anyway from 2013 or nearer that never had good range charged or good efficiency with power in the battery.

Just taxation cheaters, 

Yes, but surely they cannot be expected to be charged double tax, RUC tax plus fuel duty tax, can they?

The space shuttle fueling hoses seemed to last quite well 🤷

1 minute ago, Rooted said:

Maybe watch the vehicles in Aberdeen filling up with hydrogen.  I linked the videos before. 

I must have missed those then.

Just now, Graham Butcher said:

Yes, but surely they cannot be expected to be charged double tax, RUC tax plus fuel duty tax, can they?

UK charges tax twice on petrol and diesel doesn't it? 

Just now, @Lee said:

UK charges tax twice on petrol and diesel doesn't it? 

Well, yes if you're talking about the VED and the fuel duty, but EV's don't pay either, they only pay the VAT on the lecky they use.

1 minute ago, Graham Butcher said:

Well, yes if you're talking about the VED and the fuel duty, but EV's don't pay either, they only pay the VAT on the lecky they use.

 

Not for much longer.

 I linked the videos before. But then there are Hydrogen threads and alternative fuel threads,    I needed gloves when filling my big LPG tank.

 As to other world regions and taxes the UK has no influence, the same with pollution.  The UK took back control.

 

 

 

Just now, Stonekeeper said:

 

Not for much longer.

Well we all knew that would happen sooner or later, the government can't manage without their VED tax, for every new EV car on the road, the government miss out on revenue.

^^^^^^^ Well we really knew once the announcement was made and the date given, and we are reminded every time the people without an EV post about the VED being introduced.

It is Groundhog day every day here.   Lots of not teaching old dog,s new tricks, or maybe getting them a note pad so they remember what they have discussed so often already.

Just now, Graham Butcher said:

Well we all knew that would happen sooner or later, the government can't manage without their VED tax, for every new EV car on the road, the government miss out on revenue.

 

The Govt cannot manage without the fuel duty either.

 

The Electricity companies cannot manage without the profits and increasing turnover annually either.

 

Encouraging those who can to go for VTG will be a stop gap to meet generation need until they have their own Battery storage capability.

 

The smart meter system will eventually be used to individually charge people when they use there energy most.

 

Do people really think it was a coincidence that prices quadrupled when we changed the light bulbs to use 75% less energy?

10 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

 

Not for much longer.

Aye. If the tax man can find a way to tax you twice or even thrice he will. 

56 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

This to me currently makes zero sense at all, or am I missing something here. From April 1st New Zealand are withdrawing their concession to drivers of EV and plugin hybrids of zero RUC (Road User Charge) chargeable by the km or mile and will start charging them in order to ensure that EV drivers also contribute towards the upkeep of the roads.

 

Electric vehicles to pay road user charges | Beehive.govt.nz

Oh dear, how sad, never mind.

Why shouldn't EV owners pay the same sort of  taxes as ICE owners rather than being given "concessions" ?

You drive 10k miles PA then you pay more tax than someone doing 5k miles.

Take the motive power out of it.

Seems fair enough to  me

45 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

 

The Govt cannot manage without the fuel duty either.

 

The Electricity companies cannot manage without the profits and increasing turnover annually either.

 

Encouraging those who can to go for VTG will be a stop gap to meet generation need until they have their own Battery storage capability.

 

The smart meter system will eventually be used to individually charge people when they use there energy most.

 

Do people really think it was a coincidence that prices quadrupled when we changed the light bulbs to use 75% less energy?

Nope, it was a foregone conclusion that they would find a way to put prices up, just as they have over the Russia/Ukraine war, if peace was to break out tomorrow, the prices would remain high until pressure was brought to bear and even then, it would only be a partial return to the pre-war prices.

The prices will stay high until England can get it,s act together and start generating enough electricity for it,s own needs and when it can not pay more for it than the other countries in the UK that can. 

7 minutes ago, Rooted said:

The prices will stay high until England can get it,s act together and start generating enough electricity for it,s own needs and when it can not pay more for it than the other countries in the UK that can. 

Haha, I expect Englands response to that will be, "Hold my Beer" and watch this 

4 hours ago, Rooted said:

The prices will stay high until England can get it,s act together and start generating enough electricity for it,s own needs and when it can not pay more for it than the other countries in the UK that can. 

 

3 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Haha, I expect Englands response to that will be, "Hold my Beer" and watch this 

ATM Ingurlundshire's response to generating plant built in, say, Scotland, is to charge a "being a long way from Larndarn premium" on that power.