Strange that drivers of 2 pedal cars be them TQ Autos, CVT's, Automated Manuals / DSG's, servo clutch manuals can not think on about what they were driving in as 3 speeds with O/D or 4 Speeds or 4 with O/D, rgen 5, 6, 7, or 8 speeds.

Ones with setting like Winter / Snow , power settings.

 

I think in 45 years of only driving non manuals have had pretty much owned or driven each type with FWD, RWD, part time RWD with AWD selectable, FWD with AWD selectable and 4x4s with centre diffs or no centre diffs.

Petrols, Diesels & LPGs and Hybrids and EV's.

 

All have been a joy really and some fantastic and some so so.

All of them as far as i remember could spin the tyres on ice or snow or on wet /greasy roads or gravel even if only having less than 60 bhp. 

Edited 11 December, 20214 yr by roottoot

On 08/12/2021 at 19:50, Choclab said:

Ever since I bought my car, the fronts spin up on attempted quick exits from t junctions or entering roundabouts. This resulted in a new set of tyres at 10k miles!!! Two services at supplying dealer indicated no problem other than my right foot, and an offer to sell me some tyres. Yesterday, third service at different main dealer, and technician drove car and agreed a problem, found out of date software for traction control and updated. Like driving a different car, now. Also fixed the clunky first gear uptake, as well! Nice to find a dealer that cares (Rainworth Skoda of Mansfield, Notts).

My 2019 Scout came from Rainworth Skoda, delivered to Devon on back of a truck. Coming up to 33k on the original tyres and still plenty of tread on them, more so on the rear. Glad they were able to sort you out. 

Well, after a wet week, with some salt laid down by council (!), I can say that the  car is  definitely driving way better than before it went in. If anyone wants to try the updated software, mine was upgraded from version 6084 to version 9692. This is for 1.5 TSI with DSG. 
for info, I am 71, and have driven all sorts of motors, for over 50 years, and this is the first car I have had that I haven’t had to work hard to spin up the wheels. 😂

Planting the throttle is not working hard 😆

 

I have to disconnect my Haldex controller to spin my wheels, even that is easier than trying to get a wheelspin out of the asthmatic Vivas, Escorts, Minis etc that I always tried so desperately to.

 

Back then my pal let me into the closely guarded secret of how to do a burnout by abuse and not through power, it had to be a RWD car of at least 1600cc with rear drum brakes front discs, preferably the rears not working very well. You had to do a heel n toe emergency stop from about 15mph in second gear, stand the car on its nose while declutched and the throttle on the floor, when the engine hit max RPM you would keep the throttle on the floor, sidestep the clutch with your left foot, the weight transfer would allow the rear tyres to spin up and hopefully glaze the rear shoes the car creeping slowly forward against the brake pressure. If the stars were aligned you could then push harder on the brakes with the left foot or toe of the right foot to stop the vehicle the rear tyres by then having lost most of their grip continued spinning creating a smokescreen.

 

When you got fed up it was really hard to drive away again it was like driving on ice. Drifting a car is easy once you have got it started and the tyres have lost their grip.

 

A 1600 MK2 Tincorner with front disc brakes and shagged rears (like most were!) was very good for weight transfer burnouts.

Edited 12 December, 20214 yr by J.R.

On 11/12/2021 at 11:30, J.R. said:

At what point did poor drivers start blaming their vehicles because the wheels spin when they "floor it" from a standstill with a powerfull engine? I must have missed it.

 

Saab probably realised early on that some drivers of automatic vehicles lack cerebral connection between their control inputs and the vehicle output and understanding to adapt to the conditions so the programmed the ECU to do the power modulation for them.

 

I've left this for a few days to see how it developed.  Personal insults, that's the way to go. 

 

While Phil-E mentioned "flooring" it I bet he didn't do it every time, just as I didn't in my Saab, and I can't get anywhere near "flooring" it in my Skodas before the wheels spin.  

 

You know nothing about me or Phil-E to warrant make comments about our driving abilities either as Saab drivers or otherwise. 

 

Compliments of the season to you, J.R.

You are the only one making it personal my comments were general, spoke of "people" and aimed at no-one it's a shame that you have indeed decided that personal insults are the way to go.

 

I made no comments about yours or Phil E's driving abilities, you even wrote "but yes, I agree, losing traction is usually a failing"

 

I have read back through all of my replies to you on this thread and they were all 100% respectfull and I can see nothing from anyone written since my posting that you quoted that has been anything like good natured discussion so I don't understand your reference to waiting to see how it developed nor your response.

1. You referenced to flooring it in a Saab - while not a direct quote any reasonable person wold properly presume you were referring to Phil-E's post.

 

2. You made a snide and sarcastic remark about the mental capability of (some) Saab drivers, with me and Phil-E being the (only?) posters who have referred to driving Saabs.  Again, it's reasonable to presume you were referencing me, if not also Phil-E, but he can speak fro himself.  It's not for a bully to determine if they are being a bully. 

 

Since you're unable to accept my observations on the wheelspin properties of my Skodas compared to my Saabs (before the 9-5 there was a 9-3 with 175 bhp and torque of 265 Nm) as being real and not as a result of any real or imagined driver failings, your antagonism, lack of goodwill, and respect for the views of others combine to cause me to remove myself from Briskoda after this post.

 

Being a some-time resident in France it may well be that French is your first language, not English; if so, it is possible that cultural and linguistic differences explain your inability to see the offence you have caused.  I doubt it.  However, in the spirit of seasonal  goodwill, I again wish you compliments of the season. Or if you prefer, Joyeux Noël et Bonne Année.

 

 

 

I have to say I also find those comments very close to being insulting (whether intentional or not).

 

I find it insulting that you're suggesting n we don't know how to drive and at no time was it suggested that I (or we) drive round everywhere just blindly stabbing the throttle to the floor.

 

I know how to control my vehicle and it's very rare I drive in such a manner that the wheels are spinning... because, unlike you suggest I do have a connection between my brain and my foot.

 

The observation was merely that in my Saab I could just floor it from a standing start and it would just shoot forwards without any drama.

 

The point being that it should in theory with having much more power and torque be much easier to break traction... whereas in actual fact it's far easier in the lower powered (albeit lighter) Skoda.

 

Aad even when I've been careful in the Skoda it has still caught me out a couple of times and broken traction.

Brain for thinking, feet for dancing on the accelerator. 

& the Saab 5 speed Automatic had a TQ & was not a 7 speed twin dry clutch DSG & so not even comparing apple and pears. 

A Golf with a 6 speed wet clutch DSG can be different again.

 

 

 

 

Edited 19 December, 20214 yr by roottoot

As root suggests, I don't think we can compare the Saab and Skoda as the setup is too different. Also the general change in how cars are setup. Modern cars tend to have lower profile tyres with firmer suspension. All adds to how they hold traction.

 

Edit: just to add, if anything I said has contributed to the bad taste left in this thread I can only apologise. I do have foot in mouth syndrome sometimes.

Edited 19 December, 20214 yr by MarkyG82

5 hours ago, roottoot said:

Brain for thinking, feet for dancing on the accelerator. 

& the Saab 5 speed Automatic had a TQ & was not a 7 speed twin dry clutch DSG & so not even comparing apple and pears. 

A Golf with a 6 speed wet clutch DSG can be different again.

 

 

 

 

Yeah that defenitely plays a role in it. Like I say it was probably in my case down to the much wider tyres and extra nose weight.

 

And just a side note FYI the diesel Saabs and V6 turbo got the more robust 6 speed from Aisin Warner. But yes still a torque converter auto. But could lock up the torque converter in any gear. So in manual mode once the car was rolling it would lock up the torque converter so it was great fun to drive with that big lump of torque.

 

I'm starting to think its the 7 speed DSG's eagerness to get the clutch engaged that can catch me out sometimes. My 6 speed DSG was much more forgiving.

6 hours ago, Phil-E said:

 

 

I'm starting to think its the 7 speed DSG's eagerness to get the clutch engaged that can catch me out sometimes. My 6 speed DSG was much more forgiving.

 

It's a shame we can't try the same engine with a dq200 and a dq250.

In some markets the new cars with 1.4 TSI get an 8 speed torque converter.

 

That would also be interesting to try.