Cost of cambelt change

[Ootohere]

@rumburake

Good news.   Just fingers crossed.  It saves you money.    I would avoid that place for getting work done or no work....

If the car is not a keeper or you have a warranty & the timing belt is covered & you have what you were told in writing.

 

They are right. 

The Timing Belt is for life. 

 

 When it fails it will be the end of it's life.    

Maybe they can say how long the life of the tensioner and bearing might be. 

 

They are correct on the DQ200 DSG.   Which is good at least.  Just as long as they do not tell the same to those with a DQ381. Some are told it is a dry clutch DSG.

Those with a Kodiaq 1.5 TSI or a AWD car wit that engine will have a DQ381..

Edited 27 January, 2023 by toot

[MarkyG82]

@tootis this confirmed with the Kodiak having a wet box on the small engine? Would that be the first FWD small engine Skoda with a wet box?

[Ootohere]

To a small engine 250 max Nm Skoda.

They do not have the DQ200 fitted to a Kodiaq other than the 1.4 TSI pre 1.5 TSI ACT. 

Or a 1.4 TSI PHEV Octavia or Superb.. 

Edited 27 January, 2023 by toot

[Welsh Boyo]

Got mine done today, cost£1079. Car just over 5 years old so was told it was needed despite having a low mileage (36,000). The job seems to have required a lot of parts and apparently a specialist tool for the 1.6 TSI Petrol engine (the tool costs around £1000 itself). Was told 6 hours work but recording dashcam showed nearer 4 hours in the workshop. The old belt showed very little sign of wear but better safe than sorry I guess and wanted to keep the 2 year all in service plan warranty intact!

[robs12]

OOF!!! £1000+ for a cambelt change....😕

[Ootohere]

Some might be double checking the advice on the 1.5 TSI ACT Cambelt replacement.

 

Over £3,000 for the tool.

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/514702-cambelt-change-necessary-after-5-years

 

Edited 4 July, 2023 by toot

[FrankNicklin]

Paid £500 for my cambelt on 1.4SE-L late last year. Cannot believe the 1.5 is so much more expensive. The 1.4 doesn’t include the water pump as that the other end.

[Ootohere]

@FrankNicklin  A 1.4 TSI is a different cost from a 1.4 TSI ACT, as is a 1.5 TSI different from a 1.5 TSI ACT.

A 1.0 TSI is more expensive to do than a 1.2 TSI.     Not just about parts, it is a time / labour.

 

 

Edited 6 July, 2023 by toot

[FrankNicklin]

34 minutes ago, toot said:

@FrankNicklin  A 1.4 TSI is a different cost from a 1.4 TSI ACT, as is a 1.5 TSI different from a 1.5 TSI ACT.

A 1.0 TSI is more expensive to do than a 1.2 TSI.     Not just about parts, it is a time / labour.

 

 

 

Sort of defeats the benefits of the engine supposed improvements in economy when in theory you have to fork out over a £1000 every five years for this.

 

 

[Ootohere]

Well Euro 5 being cheated by VW with defeat devices was an issue.

Euro 6 and then WLTP and going to 0w 20 FS IV oil to get results and still they messed up the software to get results and the Certification for the WLTP / RDE.

 

They stuck with the 1.4 TSI without ACT for the PHEV.  Because the 1.4 TSI was actually not able to get the results.

(In North America & Australia you can get a 1.4 TSI with an 8 speed autobox.)

 

Now you get 1.0 or 1.5 TSI with mild hybrid, and 1.5 TSI without ACT and a PHEV.

 

The benefit of engine development was forced on VW group and they care not about your servicing costs.

 

A 1.5 TSI ACT might have a DQ200 DSG and the DSG needs no servicing.

A 1.5 TSI ACT DSG 4x4, so engine, DQ381 service at 80,000 miles or sooner, Haldex at 30,000 / 3 years, 

and it was showing as Cambelt at around £1000 at 5 years old. 

That is an expensive car.

 

But then a 2.0 TSI / TDI with a cam belt, a DQ250 needing serviced @ 40,000 miles with haldex at 30,000 / 3 years is not cheap either.

[PetrolDave]

1 hour ago, FrankNicklin said:

Sort of defeats the benefits of the engine supposed improvements in economy when in theory you have to fork out over a £1000 every five years for this.

The lower emissions are not supposed to mean lower costs for the owner, just better for the environment.

 

And one thing is very clear we're all having to pay higher costs (purchase, running, etc.) to reduce our impact on the environment.

[MarkyG82]

Decision to stick to 1.4 for the PHEV platform was also tooling. Internal parts are different to the regular 1.4 so they have stuck to that specific engine to save making the same changes to other capacities.

[Toothache]

I had quotes in Feb of £725 and £910 to get cambelt changed on my 1.5tsi ACT, from two Skoda dealers in midlands. An indy garage quoted £700 to £750 (based on 7 to 7.5hrs).....

 

I delayed because it wasn't five years old till march, only 45,000 done + I couldn't afford it.  

 

The £725 dealership is now (July) quoting £1090, but the £910 dealer kept their price.

 

I probably wouldn't have bought the car if I'd known this... Was baulking at £449 (what I thought it cost when buying).

 

They did say the water pump doesn't need changing on petrols....they didn't say it was other end of car!! 

[Phoenixboy]

Ouch!  Over a grand for a timing belt. Mine is due within 6 months time, I won't be paying that for sure. I'll post some prices nearer to the time, if I decide to keep it. Other option put the grand into another car. Neither am I going to pay for their tool, they'll be using it on hundreds of engines no doubt. 

Just had a quick look online, PSC would do one fro £664-

https://www.pscautocentre.co.uk/cart

 

Edited 6 July, 2023 by Phoenixboy

[Ootohere]

@Phoenixboy

Maybe a case of a week ago it was due in 6 months and then VW Group get real. 

 There will be too many 5 year old cars out there that have not had cam belts and their franchised dealerships in the UK are selling them.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/514702-cambelt-change-necessary-after-5-years

 

 

[Phoenixboy]

3 minutes ago, toot said:

@Phoenixboy

Maybe a case of a week ago it was due in 6 months and then VW Group get real. 

 There will be too many 5 year old cars out there that have not had cam belts and their franchised dealerships in the UK are selling them.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/514702-cambelt-change-necessary-after-5-years

 

 

Not like it's submerged in oil, costing mega money to change it. The Skoda dealer I used for some servicing work last year quoted me just over £500 to change the belt, although no idea if their prices had gone up, too. I'd certainly shop around no matter what, anyway. 

[Ootohere]

@Phoenixboy

Simples. because you have to move stuff to do the work and then replace and supply with parts and people talking 6 hours plus and book in for 2 days that gets you where you are price wise.

 

Easy to quote £500 when you are on a service desk and know nothing about which TSI you are talimg about.

But they are learning eventually like  now that a 2 hour job is not the same as a 4 hour plus job. 

 

Service centres have a displayed price using the parts they usually use, and then a different price with OEM parts. 

eg.

PCSAutocentre that is up in a post. 

*ASK THEM!*

 

 

 

Edited 6 July, 2023 by toot

[Phoenixboy]

1 hour ago, toot said:

@Phoenixboy

Simples. because you have to move stuff to do the work and then replace and supply with parts and people talking 6 hours plus and book in for 2 days that gets you where you are price wise.

 

Easy to quote £500 when you are on a service desk and know nothing about which TSI you are talimg about.

But they are learning eventually like  now that a 2 hour job is not the same as a 4 hour plus job. 

 

Service centres have a displayed price using the parts they usually use, and then a different price with OEM parts. 

eg.

PCSAutocentre that is up in a post. 

*ASK THEM!*

 

 

 

No doubt I'd find out the true cost of replacing it the day I ring the dealers up for a quote. I'd only consider going to the dealers if the price was competitive or I had an Skoda extended warranty. 

[rumburake]

 I looked in the Maintenance book from erwin-skoda, doc subscription number D4B802A2B38, edition 10.2017.

 

In section 2.4.4 - "Additional work from MY 2017" - the table says "Replace the toothed belt for camshaft drive - petrol engines with toothed belt":

 - "Operation in normal weather and traffic conditions (low-dust countries)": "-" (no mileage or time interval specified)

 - "Dust-rich countries": "Every 120,000 km" (no time interval specified)

 

If anyone got hold of a newer edition of this book please check.

 

 

[Ootohere]

@rumburake  210,000 km / 130,000 miles shown here.

('Dust rich countries 120,000 km')

 

This is the issue, so many numbers around on-line quoting something some has seen, or mi-read / mis-heard.

 

Karoq.

 

Edited 7 July, 2023 by toot

[Breezy_Pete]

No it isn't toot. It shows - for the petrol engine, no specified interval.

That's why I triple ringed it to make it clear!

 

Please be more careful, it sems to be you that's misreading.

Edited 7 July, 2023 by Breezy_Pete

[PetrolDave]

For me the real issue, which has been mentioned on here for many years, is why Skoda UK say 5 years or 50,000 miles when the advice from all other importers and the manufacturer specifies much longer time and/or distance intervals?

 

Seems to me that Skoda UK are intent on making unnecessary business for their franchised dealers since the environment in the UK really cannot be so extreme - can it???

[FrankNicklin]

20 minutes ago, PetrolDave said:

For me the real issue, which has been mentioned on here for many years, is why Skoda UK say 5 years or 50,000 miles when the advice from all other importers and the manufacturer specifies much longer time and/or distance intervals?

 

Seems to me that Skoda UK are intent on making unnecessary business for their franchised dealers since the environment in the UK really cannot be so extreme - can it???

Yeah had my 67 plate 1.4 done at 5 years but not sure if it was really necessary although I do have an extended warranty so likely a get out clause should anything have failed during this period.

 

We need to get back to chains.

Edited 7 July, 2023 by FrankNicklin

[PetrolDave]

30 minutes ago, FrankNicklin said:

Yeah had my 67 plate 1.4 done at 5 years but not sure if it was really necessary although I do have an extended warranty so likely a get out clause should anything have failed during this period.

I had my 15 plate 1.4TSI done at 5 years for the same reason.

 

For me the extra cost due to the ACT version of the EA211 makes Skoda UK's position even harder to understand or accept.

[Toothache]

The dealers I spoke to said the cost is subsidised (from £1200), could be bull of course.

UK isn't dust rich, most of Europe isn't dust rich.

I think we need a which? campaign, or money saving expert guy on this! It stinks like the emissions hoohaa again. I also want to "protect" my warranty but this is so damn  expensive....would be really nice to have proper clarity.