Karoq Tyres

[SurreyJohn]

Probably not available to buy yet, but might be useful to someone reading this in few weeks time.  Bridgestone have just launched Turanza 6 all season

 

https://press.bridgestone-emia.com/bridgestone-launches-the-new-turanza-all-season-6--to-answer-drivers-year-round-challenges/
 

[croquemonsieur]

I think that Continental are bringing out a new AW tyre soon as well.

[BTandSid]

23 hours ago, SurreyJohn said:

Probably not available to buy yet, but might be useful to someone reading this in few weeks time.  Bridgestone have just launched Turanza 6 all season

 

https://press.bridgestone-emia.com/bridgestone-launches-the-new-turanza-all-season-6--to-answer-drivers-year-round-challenges/
 

No prices announced yet for the A/S 6 although suggested to be in line with the Weather Control tyre that it’s replacing

Edited 20 May, 2023 by BTandSid

[SurreyJohn]

On 20/05/2023 at 07:05, croquemonsieur said:

I think that Continental are bringing out a new AW tyre soon as well.

Now launched

 

https://www.continental.com/en/press/press-releases/20230522-allseasoncontact2-technical/
 

[kennykaroq]

On 17/05/2023 at 08:51, Carlston said:

 

You can see in the Skoda alloy wheels accessories catalogue, that 225/40R19 and 235/40R19 are listed for the Karoq 2WD and 225/45R19 and 245/40R19 are listed for the Karoq 4WD.

 

Skoda alloy rim accessories catalogue

https://www.skoda.co.uk/_doc/639a0118-4da5-446b-a786-86e1f789b57b

 

If you want maximum rim protection from potholes and kerbs and slightly better comfort, 245/40R19 could be worth considering even with the Karoq 2WD providing that you are happy with the resulting slightly higher gearing.

 

Some Karoq 2WD owners use 215/65R16 instead of 215/60R16, especially in countries with poor roads, and as you can see in the chart below, 245/40R19 has a 1.1% smaller outside diameter than the slightly oversize 215/65R16. Therefore, you might not consider the  outside diameter of 245/40R19 to be too extreme.

 

Outside diameter of tyres

215/65R16 685.9mm

245/40R19 678.6mm (-1.1% compared to 215/65R16)

 

You might think that a 245/40R19 is 20mm wider than a 225/40R19 tyre, but when both are fitted to the Karoq's 8Jx19 rim the difference is actually only about 12mm, as you can see in the chart below.

 

Actual width of tyres fitted to 8Jx19 rims

225/40R19 230mm

235/40R19 235mm

245/40R19 242mm

 

 

Afternoon everyone, an Aussie from across the ditch here and very interested in the info on tyre selections. love my 2022 sportline, but on aussie roads the 225/40/19's are a bit firm. Carlston from what you've looked into it sounds like i might be able to size up and get the 245/40r19 tyres for the 19inch sagittarius wheels?

[Carlston]

6 hours ago, kennykaroq said:

Afternoon everyone, an Aussie from across the ditch here and very interested in the info on tyre selections. love my 2022 sportline, but on aussie roads the 225/40/19's are a bit firm. Carlston from what you've looked into it sounds like i might be able to size up and get the 245/40r19 tyres for the 19inch sagittarius wheels?

 

Both 225/45R19 and 245/40R19 have more sidewall than 225/40R19, but with the standard 8Jx19 rim, the wider 245/40R19 is going to offer better protection to the edges of the alloy rims from kerbing damage than the narrower 225/45R19.

 

When looking at alternative tyre sizes for the Karoq, the following "ETRTO approved rim widths" chart might help (at the bottom of this post).

 

With the 16" Karoq wheels, there's also a lot of non-standard slightly oversize tyres that could be considered, including 215/65R16, 225/60R16, 235/60R16. I quite like the 235/60R16 option because as well as offering a big chunky off-road look and comfortable and well cushioned ride, it's a cheap tyre size. In the UK, there are good 235/60R16 tyres available for under £100 each. Someone fitted similar outside diameter 235/55R17 tyres to their Yeti, as shown in one of the photos below.

 

There's also 17" options to consider. There's a 6.5Jx17 ET38 5/112 57.1 steel rim (at least one alloy rim is also available in this size) from the Kodiaq that could be used with 215/60R17 tyres on the Karoq.

 

Yokohama G015 Geolander AT (All-Terrain) 215/65R16 98H

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m62b0s426p148189/Yokohama_Tyres_Car_Yokohama_G015_Geolander_AT_Yokohama_G_015_215_65_R16_98H_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_E_Wet_Grip%3A_C_NoiseClass%3A_B_Noise%3A_70dB

Yokohama G015 Geolander AT (All-Terrain) 215/60R16 96H

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m54b0s3735p164247/Yokohama_Tyres_Car_Yokohama_G015_Geolander_AT_Yokohama_G_015_215_60_R17_96H_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_E_Wet_Grip%3A_C_NoiseClass%3A_B_Noise%3A_71dB

Yokohama G015 Geolander AT (All-Terrain) 235/60R16 100H

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m62b0s425p148190/Yokohama_Tyres_Car_Yokohama_G015_Geolander_AT_Yokohama_G_015_235_60_R16_100H_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_E_Wet_Grip%3A_C_NoiseClass%3A_B_Noise%3A_72dB

 

Top photo shows Yeti with 225/50R17 tyres, bottom photo shows Yeti with 235/55R17 tyres (about 5% increase in outside diameter) 

 

ETRTO approved rim widths

195/65 5.5-6.0-7.0
205/65 5.5-6.0-7.5
215/65 6.0-6.5-7.5

215/60 6.0-6.5-7.5
225/60 6.0-6.5-8.0
235/60 6.5-7.0-8.5

215/55 6.0-7.0-7.5
225/55 6.0-7.0-8.0
235/55 6.5-7.5-8.5

215/50 6.0-7.0-7.5
225/50 6.0-7.0-8.0
235/50 6.5-7.5-8.5

225/45 7.0-7.5-8.5
235/45 7.5-8.0-9.0
245/45 7.5-8.0-9.0

225/40 7.5-8.0-9.0
235/40 8.0-8.5-9.5
245/40 8.0-8.5-9.5

 

Edited 1 June, 2023 by Carlston

[BTandSid]

Think we’ll be staying with the 19in rims - having found the ride to have been pretty unforgiving on occasions in our two months of ownership particularly over potholes, I did check the tyre pressures as suggested by someone and found they were all about 50psi 😱😱 so about 50% higher than required. The car was supposedly serviced before we picked it up! Any way, dropped the tyres back down to where they should be and the rides been far better (Significant Other not making so much comment about it so somethings clearly worked 😏) 

Will certainly be needing two tyres before long so will likely bite the bullet and re-boot all around with CrossClimates, possibly in the 245/40 sizing. Michelin seem to have offers on with the CC at the moment and it’s a tyre I’ve had on my previous cars without any issues.

Edited 1 June, 2023 by BTandSid

[Carlston]

11 hours ago, BTandSid said:

Think we’ll be staying with the 19in rims

 

The below information is for a Karoq owner who wants more comfort from their 19" wheels (and doesn't want to change to smaller diameter rims), but would prefer 225/45R19 rather than the wide 245/40R19 tyre size.

 

If you are purchasing four new tyres, it might not work out any more expensive to sell the current 8Jx19 ET45 Karoq rims with tyres and change to new 7Jx19 ET43 Kodiaq rims, and fit 225/45R19 for a much improved ride compared to 225/40R19 or 235/40R19 tyres fitted to 8Jx19 ET45 rims. The reason being is that the four 19" Karoq wheels appear to have a secondhand value of almost £1,000 if they are in excellent condition with tyres. There's a scuffed set currently being listed on ebay for about £800, and a refurbished set without tyres for about £950 plus shipping.

 

The idea of the narrower 7Jx19 ET43 Kodiaq rims, is that this would be ideal for 225/45R19 tyres. Many of the Octavia MK3 225/45 tyres (albeit 17" due to the smaller outside diameter of Octavia MK3 tyres) were also fitted to 7J rims (and sometimes 7.5J rims) out of the factory...so it's not unusual for a 225/45 tyre to be fitted to a 7J rim.

 

The 225/45R19 would give more mpg than 245/40R19.

 

The appearance of the two different specification CRATER alloy rims appears to be the same.

 

7Jx19 ET43 5/112 57.1 CRATER alloy rims (from the Kodiaq)

https://eshop.skoda-auto.cz/cs_CZ/alu-kolo-crater-19-kodiaq/p/565071499H+8Z8

 

8Jx19 ET45 5/112 57.1 CRATER alloy rims (from the Karoq)

https://eshop.skoda-auto.cz/cs_CZ/alu-kolo-crater-19-karoq/p/57A071499A+8Z8

 

 

 

Edited 1 June, 2023 by Carlston

[BTandSid]

Carlston, I’ve been following with much interest various threads on the forum on the subject of tyres since we bought our Sportline 1.5dsg with the Vega 19in rims a couple of months back. Indeed I’ve even started a thread on here on the subject. You're obviously very well versed on this matter but I’ll put my hands up, the more I read the more confused I’m getting 🙁. 
I’ve decided to stick with the existing Vega rims and wonder if I could just ask (once and for all) could I safely replace the existing oem 225/40/19s with 225/45/19 or 245/40/19 ? Looking for a bit of extra ride comfort and my preferred tyre would be the CrossClimate2 which won’t be cheap but I don’t like to go cheap on tyres.

Apologies if this has been covered already in one thread or another but like I say I’ve just become confused on the whole issue.

Many thanks 

[Carlston]

4 hours ago, BTandSid said:

Carlston, I’ve been following with much interest various threads on the forum on the subject of tyres since we bought our Sportline 1.5dsg with the Vega 19in rims a couple of months back. Indeed I’ve even started a thread on here on the subject. You're obviously very well versed on this matter but I’ll put my hands up, the more I read the more confused I’m getting 🙁. 
I’ve decided to stick with the existing Vega rims and wonder if I could just ask (once and for all) could I safely replace the existing oem 225/40/19s with 225/45/19 or 245/40/19 ? Looking for a bit of extra ride comfort and my preferred tyre would be the CrossClimate2 which won’t be cheap but I don’t like to go cheap on tyres.

Apologies if this has been covered already in one thread or another but like I say I’ve just become confused on the whole issue.

Many thanks 

 

There are two main issues to consider, clearance and gearing. However, if you don't want to read the rest of this post I would give both the clearance and gearing consideration an ok for fitting either 225/45R19 or 245/40R19 to a Karoq two wheel drive on the standard 8Jx19 ET45 rims. Bear in mind that the wider 245/40R19 should protect the 8Jx19 ET45 rims a lot better from kerbing damage than the 225/40R19. So that would probably be the better choice, unless everyone who driver the car is an expert at avoiding coming into contact with the kerb.

 

It should be realised that comfort is always relative, and even the slightly higher sidewalled 225/45R19 and 245/40R19 tyre sizes aren't going to match the comfort of even a 215/50R18 tyre size fitted to the standard 7Jx18 ET45 rim. However, I'm sure you will notice the improvement in ride comfort compared to the 225/40R19 tyre size...although you would need to drop the tyre pressures slightly to get the full benefit...as these bigger sidewalled tyres have higher load indexes and can therefore support the same load using less air pressure.

 

It should also be realised that the bigger diameter tyres are often a lot more expensive than the smaller diameter tyres. The price of tyres can drop a lot even by going down just 1" from 19" to 18". For example, here's a mid-range Kumho summer tyre in the 215/50R18 size. It doesn't have an excessively high V, W, Y, speed rating (for a car that doesn't go over 130mph) and it isn't XL, so the sidewalls should flex more easily and therefore the tyre should be more comfortable than an over-specified tyre in the same tyre size.

 

Kumho ES31 Ecowing 215/50R18 92H (Euro label 71dB)

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m61b0s3736p187896/Kumho_Tyres_Car_Kumho_ES31_Ecowing_Kumho_ES_31_215_50_R18_92H_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_C_Wet_Grip%3A_B_NoiseClass%3A_B_Noise%3A_71dB

 

Comparing the 225/45R19 and the 245/40R19 when fitting to the 8J rim, the wider 245/40R19 is going to give the best protection from kerbing damage.

 

On your current 8Jx19 ET45 rims, the Karoq front wheel drive cars leave the factory with either 225/40R19 or 235/40R19 tyres.

 

On your current 8Jx19 ET45 rims, the Karoq 4x4 cars leave the factory with either 225/45R19 or 245/40R19 tyres.

 

Therefore, I doubt fitting either of the two Karoq 4x4 tyre sizes to your rims is going to cause a problem with clearance.

 

Both of the Karoq 4x4 tyre sizes will raise the gearing slightly, but the 1.5TSI engine has good low down torque (ie. pulling power), so I doubt you will have problems with the car being able to pull the slightly higher gear.

 

As you can see in the chart below, 225/45R19 has an outside diameter 1.9% bigger than 215/50R19, and 245/40R19 has an outside diameter 1.0% bigger than 215/50R19.

 

1.5% to 2.0% is often considered a small increase is gearing, so the new slightly higher gearing shouldn't cause any problems with the car's engine being able to comfortably pull the new slightly higher gears.

 

Outside diameter of tyres

215/50R18 672.2mm

225/45R19 685.1mm (+1.9%)

245/40R19 678.6mm (+1.0%)

 

Edited 2 June, 2023 by Carlston

[Halfpenny]

Sorry late on this subject. The ride on my 2018 Karoq sel is appalling. The tyres are Turanza 215/50 /R18 92W is this my problem or has the suspension/ shockers gone ? Ride ok on smooth asphalt, but anything the slightest bit rough resonates right through the car and as for speed humps my wife is nearly thrown out of the seat even at low speeds. If I can’t fix it it I will have to change the car. Live in Surrey.

[SurreyJohn]

27 minutes ago, Halfpenny said:

Sorry late on this subject. The ride on my 2018 Karoq sel is appalling. The tyres are Turanza 215/50 /R18 92W is this my problem or has the suspension/ shockers gone ? Ride ok on smooth asphalt, but anything the slightest bit rough resonates right through the car and as for speed humps my wife is nearly thrown out of the seat even at low speeds. If I can’t fix it it I will have to change the car. Live in Surrey.

There are two elements, Turanza are summer touring tyres, the colder the temperature the firmer they will be.  You will get a bit softer ride by switching to all season tyres.

 

The second is the wheel size, 18 inch, will get much better ride switching to smaller rims and tyres with deeper sidewalls (outside diameter will be about same).  50 aspect tyres tend to be expensive compared to deeper 55 or even 60 tyres.  The deeper the tyres the more they can absorb bumps in the road surface

 

I doubt the suspension is the problem, but there have been cases of dealers incompetently leaving transit blocks in, which limits suspension movement.  If you jack it up and feel under the rubber gaiter will soon spot the coloured blocks if they are there.  
 

To be honest, buying new rims and tyres for them will be lot cheaper than changing the car, here is rims catalogue. If you would prefer softer comfortable ride (rather than ability to shave tenth second off a lap time) then get the 16 inch rims, and 60 aspect all season tyres)

 

https://www.skoda.co.uk/_doc/639a0118-4da5-446b-a786-86e1f789b57b

 

Edited 17 October, 2023 by SurreyJohn

[Halfpenny]

Thanks so much for your advice Surrey John.  I will price it up an see if its worth it!

Will check for transit blocks first!!

[Carlston]

1 hour ago, Halfpenny said:

Thanks so much for your advice Surrey John.  I will price it up an see if its worth it!

Will check for transit blocks first!!

 

One Yeti owner changed to 215/60R16 from 225/50R17 and was told by others that the handling wouldn't be as good. But after fitting the 16" tyres he came back and said that the handling was just as good, ie. he wasn't disappointed. So although technically you should be able to go round a race track slightly quicker on the 17" tyres (or in your case the 18" tyres), at normal speeds the car will handle just fine on the 16s.

 

Edited 17 October, 2023 by Carlston

[Halfpenny]

Thanks Carlston

[BTandSid]

2 hours ago, Halfpenny said:

Sorry late on this subject. The ride on my 2018 Karoq sel is appalling. The tyres are Turanza 215/50 /R18 92W is this my problem or has the suspension/ shockers gone ? Ride ok on smooth asphalt, but anything the slightest bit rough resonates right through the car and as for speed humps my wife is nearly thrown out of the seat even at low speeds. If I can’t fix it it I will have to change the car. Live in Surrey.

We had similar issues with our Sportline and the 19in Bridgestones. I hoped that we’d get used to them having just come out of a Freelander but it was literally a pita every time we hit a speed bump, pothole, cats-eyes and Significant Other was constantly looking out and forewarning me of any such hazard ahead of us. Quite frankly, driving was no longer enjoyable and we’d had the car less than a month. Against the advice of my learned colleagues on here who recommended downsizing, I took a chance and bought Michelin CrossClimates which have been an absolute revelation as far as I’m concerned, like chalk and cheese, wouldn’t believe this was the same car to drive. Aesthetically they look better than the Bridgestones and far more important no more complaints from SO so win-win 👍

[kodiaqsportline]

3 hours ago, Halfpenny said:

Sorry late on this subject. The ride on my 2018 Karoq sel is appalling. The tyres are Turanza 215/50 /R18 92W is this my problem or has the suspension/ shockers gone ? Ride ok on smooth asphalt, but anything the slightest bit rough resonates right through the car and as for speed humps my wife is nearly thrown out of the seat even at low speeds. If I can’t fix it it I will have to change the car. Live in Surrey.

 

Obviously the ride of a car is subjective but when someone describes it as 'appauling' and the passenger nearly being thrown out of the seat, something has to be wrong.

 

I can see how some folk don't like the ride on the 225/40/19 but even I wouldn't have descibed the ride on 19's  like that. 215/50/18 is much more forgiving than the 19's.

 

First thing to check is your tyre pressures. How much tread is left on those tyres?  Personally I didn't like Turanza's ( forget what car they were on - it may have been my Ateca which also had 18" alloys ), but then again that was more to do with wear rate and road noise. I changed them to Vector4 all seasons which drastically improved the noise, but can't say the ride was much better.

 

Why not have your car checked out?   

[Halfpenny]

Good advice- thanks

[croquemonsieur]

Carlston may have been talking about my Yeti where I downsized the wheels.  I changed from, what were described by a knowlegeable friend, as rather non descript Dunlops to Mk1 Michelin cross climates at the same time  (by the way the mk1s were more heavily weighted to summer conditions than the current wintery X climate 2s).  The steering was just as sharp - ride and road noise were better if not not dramatically so (I was actually somewhat disappointed in the latter aspects).  A friend also  changed the tyres on his BMW Mini to X climate 2s soon afterwards keeping the same wheels - he said they were quieter but the ride was worse.  Mind you some people like a firm ride and at that time my 90yr old Aunt thought my originally shod Yeti ride was ideal - I didn't. 

 

My current Karoq came with Bridgestones on 17" wheels and the ride was quite a bit more compliant from day 1 than the rather rubbery firm Yeti, even after that car's wheel/tyre change.  However I'm fussy about such matters and recently changed the Karoq to 16" wheels with Hankook AW tyres.  These have done very well in reviews generally, including for ride & noise.  The ride and noise levels are clearly better, if maybe still not quite a Jaguar XJ6 (not that I've been in one for decades).  Driving in the last couple of weeks, the ride seem better still for some reason, whether it's down to cooler weather - just possibly the Hankooks prefer this, or maybe they are bedded in properly now, or am I just imagining it.  Any way, pleased I took the trouble to make the change, the car is really quite serene on motorways these days, not that it was too bad on the Bridgestones.  It ls coarse aggregate surfaces where I now notice the big noise improvement.

 

Every AW tyre I could find, including the Hankooks were XL rated and so include extra sidewall reinforcement, which makes them more robust, but that does mean they are likely to transmit road roughness through to the car body more than non-XL tyres, but it seems difficult to find even summer non-XL tyres these days.  The ride on my car is still a bit firm on broken road surfaces, but I haven't been in other cars in recent years to compare (except a Juke, which was definitely worse all round than my originally shod Karoq).  Steering after the Karoq wheel & tyre change was, if anything, sharper, but whether the car holds on to the road quite as well as summer tyres in the dry, I don't know.  I do know they will certainly do better in wet cooler weather and on broken road surfaces, in bends, than any summer tyres.

 

Quite a few people on this site sing the praises of X Climate 2s, but I'm skeptical I'd find them such a huge improvement in ride as they indicate, but you never know.  They are certainly well reviewed with the proviso that they are very much like winter tyres.  One down side to my older Mk1 X Climates was that lots of pebbles got embedded in the tread grooves, resulting in annoying clicking noises.  My Hankooks don't have this problem anything like as much.  One person has said the Xclimate 2s also suffer this, but it didn't worry him.  The Hankook weak point is they are supposed to wear out quickly, but then a German review last year said the same thing about the X Climate 2s, giving them about the same longevity, which sounds very unMichelin - strange.

[Karoq2020]

Just fitted Continental AllSeason Contacts. Live Kent/London boarders and best move we ever made. Wheel spinning out of junctions now totally reduced and felt much better in the rain today.

[ronniebarker]

I too have the 19"crater rims on my 2018 1.5TSI Edition. 

I have just changed all four tyres at 42K miles which is pretty good going. The rears had a decent amount of tread but were starting to crack and split (MOT advisory)

They were 235/40 R19 Pirelli Cintuarto. The replacement cost for these was over £200 per corner however, Adsa Tyres supplied and fitted 4x Yokohama 235/40R19 96W XL BluEarth-GT AE51 at a cost of £523.

They are every bit as good so far as the Pirellis and rolling resistance is still good for 40-42mpg average.

 

I agree that he 19" rims are firm but I would say harsh and so far have not had any pothole damage despite living in Wiltshire with the worst roads in the UK.

[Sanqhar]

8 minutes ago, ronniebarker said:

I too have the 19"crater rims on my 2018 1.5TSI Edition. 

I have just changed all four tyres at 42K miles which is pretty good going. The rears had a decent amount of tread but were starting to crack and split (MOT advisory)

They were 235/40 R19 Pirelli Cintuarto. The replacement cost for these was over £200 per corner however, Adsa Tyres supplied and fitted 4x Yokohama 235/40R19 96W XL BluEarth-GT AE51 at a cost of £523.

They are every bit as good so far as the Pirellis and rolling resistance is still good for 40-42mpg average.

 

I agree that he 19" rims are firm but I would say harsh and so far have not had any pothole damage despite living in Wiltshire with the worst roads in the UK.

 

+1 for Asda.  I bought four tyres and the dealer who fitted them could get nowhere near the Asda price .

 

tom

[6nations]

Bridgestone Turanza ECO Enliten
215  50  R18  96W XL

I've these on a 73 plate 1.5 DSG.

Appreciate on reading in to them they are designed for max fuel mileage.

But they are hopeless below 18 degrees C (UK).

Seeking alternatives as their grip is poor to say the least.

But to replace with same size etc I've found only one brand Goodyear Eagle F1.

There are many brands available but NOT with 96W XL which if ignored would require an insurance declaration.

Any thoughts.

[Ootohere]

@6nations   it is the 96W that is the issue.  Lots of choice in 92V XL in that size.

 

@Carlstonwill know if you have to stay with 96W XL

 

As to your hopeless below 18 degrees C (UK)   do you mean below 8*oC or really mean pretty much the temp that much of the UK is at or lower much of the yea?

 

Goodyear Eagle F1 are a tyre pretty much like slicks when it is damp even in warm weather.

 

 

Edited 30 December, 2023 by Rooted

[SurreyJohn]

@6nations 215 / 50 R18 size, if you want grip all year, wet or dry, even frost and sleet then go for all seasons, not summer Eco spec which it was delivered with.

 

pick any of following (no particular order, but availability timescale or price might determine it anyway)

Bridgestone Turanza all season 6

Continental all season contact 2

Goodyear vector 4season gen3

Pirelli Cinturato all season SF2

Michelin cross climate 2 SUV

 

The Bridgestone Eco is aimed at (heavier) electric vehicles which is why it has the higher 96 load rating.  Vast majority of 21/50 R18 have 92 load index.  
 

Other spec Karoq (even with heavy diesel engine) have 92 load rating, so don't think you need the 96 rated tyres