Stocking up with munchies for a 1,500 mile or so Summer roadtrip starting shortly.   Maybe around 18 charge sessions required   Enough charge cards carried incase of phone issues with these and an Osprey and E-life plus about 8 apps including for cheaper charging the Tesla for a non-tesla charging.  

Edited 1 June, 20242 yr by Ootohere

40 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Stocking up with munchies for a 1,500 mile or so Summer roadtrip starting shortly.   Maybe around 18 charge sessions required   Enough charge cards carried incase of phone issues with these and an Osprey and E-life plus about 8 apps including for cheaper charging the Tesla for a non-tesla charging.  

BEV still not really there when compared to ICE - max. 4 fuel stops, totalling around 20 mins and only 1, or possibly 2 cards needed for entire trip.

1 hour ago, Ootohere said:

Stocking up with munchies for a 1,500 mile or so Summer roadtrip starting shortly.

 

Happy roadtrip/hollibobs! 😁

 

I wouldn't bother heading south too much - looks like you've got all the good weather up there.

 

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@Warrior193 Obviously i chose to have a small battery BEV & it to have a small car that i enjoy driving and that i can get a charge on a AC charger quick enough for moving on.

I would not rather be in a new 200+ mile between charges 2025 MINI.  Or a 300 mile Tesla.

If i want to head off with a diesel or petrol i can do that. 

I like the craic at chargers.  There for the banter. 

 

Edited 2 June, 20242 yr by Ootohere

11 hours ago, Warrior193 said:

BEV still not really there when compared to ICE - max. 4 fuel stops, totalling around 20 mins and only 1, or possibly 2 cards needed for entire trip.

I just got back from my 1560 miles trip. I'll write about it up in another thread next week.

 

Certainly didn't need 18 charging stops I charged whenever convenient, total 12 times but only 4 times took on fairly large amount (35 kWh or more, or more than 50%). Reality is people always need more breaks than the car.

 

My friend in a diesel fuelled up at least 6 times that I know of whilst travelling in convoy. Of course, he stops at cheapest we find along the way, which isn't optimum refuel strategy for minimum refuel count.

A MINI Cooper S or JCW petrol FWD or AWD getting 36 mpg on super unleaded @ £7 a gallon could go 108 miles for £21. 

If you get 45 mpg then near 2.5 gallons @ £7 is £17.

A quick diesel getting 55 MPG 110 miles from 2 gallons for £14.

 

MINI Cooper Electric,

Remember, figures are 32.6 kW/h battery with 28.9 usable supposedly.

 

Starting from 100% from home nearly always, or sometimes just 99%.   

So counting 30 kWh needed for 110 miles.

  110 miles from home charger, £6.60

110 miles from a 31 pence AC   £9.30

110 miles from a 37 pence DC  £11.10

110 miles from a 45 pence Tesla £13.50  (Offpeak)

110 miles from a 55 pence AC / DC £16.50    Edinburgh.

110 miles from a 62 pence PodPoint £18.60

110 miles from a 63 pence BP Pulse £18.90    (GeniePoint off peak.)

110 miles from a 65 pence PodPoint £19.50

110 miles from a 69 pence BP pulse £20.70

110 miles from a 75 pence Evyve      £22.50

110 miles from a 79 pence   ..............£ £23.70  the likes of Osprey, Grid Serve, GeniePoint.

110 miles from a 85 pence InstaVolt £25.50 

 

Mostly setting off with the 99% if at a cheaper public charger.

examples from the last 6 charges, but pretty much how it is from having got the car.

   Arrive at a charger after 80 miles with 32% battery showing 27 miles range, and it takes 22 kWh to get back to 99%  shows 95 miles range.

   Arrive at a charger after 70 miles with 43% battery showing 42 miles range, and it takes 17 kWh to get back to 99%  shows 99 miles range.

   Arrive at a charger after 75 miles with 43% battery showing 43 miles range, and it takes 20 kWh to get back to 99%  shows 109 miles range.

 

This  how it is most of the time of not hanging about, having the heating set at 16*oC & AC on now and again.

Sport mostly, low regen, occasional cruise control and into Mid or Green mode following having been spirited driving and the range dropping fast.

 

The car shows this,

the kWh paid for is usually less than this as the car rounds things up. 

 

109 miles divided by 3.3 miles a kWh is about where i am.  I can get 4 miles to a kWh on slow roads, so 30 x 4 = 120 if needs must.

There will be a bit more left but i have never been to less than 5 miles left. 

  

Edited 4 June, 20242 yr by Ootohere

I needed 100% in for 99 miles to airport for 4 am and I was at 97% and 107 miles which is not enough with possible  diversions or weather.  So I thought train station and 43 pence a kWh only.  Maybe £1.  No go there though. Out of service.  So down to harbour and both chargers being repaired.  Luckily the fixed the big charger and I am sitting to get to 100%. That is not going to be just 3 x 37 or 3x 31 pence.  That is going to cost £5.  Just to get maybe the extra 5 miles.    5 miles can make all the difference though.    Hopefully a calm night and simple run to airport then a recharging and then return trip.  About twice as much as using an ICE..

Edited 7 June, 20241 yr by Ootohere

3 hours ago, Ootohere said:

I needed 100% in for 99 miles to airport for 4 am and I was at 97% and 107 miles which is not enough with possible  diversions or weather.  So I thought train station and 43 pence a kWh only.  Maybe £1.  No go there though. Out of service.  So down to harbour and both chargers being repaired.  Luckily the fixed the big charger and I am sitting to get to 100%. That is not going to be just 3 x 37 or 3x 31 pence.  That is going to cost £5.  Just to get maybe the extra 5 miles.    5 miles can make all the difference though.    Hopefully a calm night and simple run to airport then a recharging and then return trip.  About twice as much as using an ICE..

 

 

 

and at least twice the hassle as an ICE.

I can get 600 miles + from a 5 minute fill up of my Superb and even if I m down to a quarter of a tank (which is where I generally fill back up) that's still ~150 miles of range for "emergency" use without having to worry about finding an open petrol station.

Really not helping on selling a switch to EV ;o)

@Winston_Woof I am not trying to sell anything.  Not even guide dogs for the stupid.      &  I never got the zip up the back of my head put in yesterday.   Obviously it is a hassle and a bother.  I started driving cars when I was 11 years old and have worked on them and been buying and selling them since I was at school.    So there must be a reason I am driving one, even if it is a stupid reason.   Now the last EV I had that did 60,000 miles for under £1,200 is why I am driving this one.   It will be the last electric car I have but I do not regret having it.   I could just have taken a 1.6 petrol Suzuki auto I have outside and got 36 mpg min with that.   It so happens I like driving the MINI.        Having a free choice to drive one is a fantastic thing.  I have not been given one as a work vehicle and have to drive one and I will not be driving in 11 years time, but if by chance I was to be and I wanted to be doing it in an ICE vehicles I could.    It would not be a Diesel Superb though unless I was doing Airport Transfers for gain or reward. 

Edited 7 June, 20241 yr by Ootohere

Did you miss the emoticon ;o)

 

mines a petrol 🙂

Edited 7 June, 20241 yr by Winston_Woof

Not really.  Mines are petrol ,diesel or electric depending on where I am going and what I want to do.   I just tell it as it is real world in my world.  Bad back, 1 leg and I like cars and driving.   You can't get to know stuff without trying, then it is just others stuff that you get told. 

All is well that ended well.

Things were going lovely, warm evening, started with 100% and 109 miles showing. 

Then it started peeing down with rain but i just slowed down and going down into Glasgow regened loads and through Glasgow so no Wucking furries, loads of range.

Then the signs showed M8 Closed ahead and the diversion headed towards Easterhouse and the signs disappeared so i just hung behind an HGV and went near Easterhouse and towards the Showcase and parallel with the M8 that seemed to be flowing.

Up past Eurocentral and back onto the M8 with more range than i had coming into Glasgow.

That HGV turned off so i set the CC at 65 as the signs came up M8 closed after Livingstone.  & it did, and i got behind an HGV and followed this LIDL lorry through the diversions and right towards Edinburgh and past LIDL Broxburn where he went and past the PodPod that would have been 62 pence a kWh.

Got to Newbridge BP / MFG after 95 miles which is exactly as the distance is without diversions and with 26% / 29 miles range.

 

2 MFG chargers would not accept my CC are now i need to get it unblocked.

Got the 3rd charger started, 35 minutes,  21 kWh, £16.72 & 93% / 115 miles. 

Went to airport, left on my Jack Jones, i only had 80 miles to go on a nice road, but i got i a bit of a little joining up with an old Porsche Boxster and i let him go and followed.

So 50 miles later when we parted with a flash of lights i had still the 30 miles to go and 40 miles range.

I should have just let the VW SUV go but once i knew it was not Officers of the Law, they do not Tailgate you through a 30 & 20 mph limit i just knocked on a bit.

I knew i could stop at a Rapid charger for 10 minutes.  35 pence a kWh.  (They are up in price in Perthshire, 45 pence AC and 50 pence DC.) 

Well it was broken and i had 17 miles to go and 16 miles range. 

 

So into Green + and 45 mph until downhills and i arrived having passed a charger hub 2 miles away from my destination. (55 pence a kWh) with parked up with 6% and 4 miles range.

 

That was started with 115 miles / 93%  and 80 miles later of 'Keeping to the speed limit!' / fun driving and 6% / 4 miles.

 

A bl00dy expensive 180 miles total.

On the 3 pin since 4.52 am and just got 63% and 60 miles showing. Predicted 100% @ 18.58 , charging at 22 pence a kWh.

 

*Met the LIDL HGV Driver at BP Newbridge. He had an early New Style Mini Cooper S superchaged back when.)

Looking to get an EV & can home charge or at the depot.*

 

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I watched the Video's of the New MINI Cooper S Petrol.

Same horrible interior as the NEW MINI Electrics, but the plastic spats around the wheel arches are still on them. (Shiny plastic crap but they can get wrapped in Satin Black.)

That is what the Electric MINI will be replaced with if not one of the last of the Cooper S or JCW Clubmans. 2 wd not awd. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 8 June, 20241 yr by Ootohere

Public charging is just too expensive these days. Exclusive Tesla superchargers or EV tariff are the only way to go IMO.

Synthetic fuels for ICE and leave EVs as an alternative choice rather than  mandated  

It takes a lot of electricity to manufacture 'Synthetic Fuels',   so you need the Nuclear or Renewables for that, or it would be Oil, Gas or Coal generated electricity.

 

Not really that 'Simply Clever', especially for Germany or their Vehicle Manufacturers or even factories where Electricity is not something they have enough of. 

 

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Time that England started having Energy Security and get on with generating enough, or earning enough to buy in what is needed.

 

Edited 8 June, 20241 yr by Ootohere

 

Chile is in South America.  Across an ocean..    So there we go, taking back control and energy security buying in / importing.

 

How about England gets up the Solar and wind farms and the battery storage and nuclear and pylons.

Use the land and sea of an Island Nation. 

 

Not rocket science or rocket fuel really.

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Loads of opposition to a Solar Farm 2 miles away from me.

Stupid as perfect for energy for the Cement works 1 mile away from me. 

http://thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/angus-mearns/4949933/forfar-solar-farm-critics-blast-30mw-scheme

 

Edited 8 June, 20241 yr by Ootohere

10 hours ago, Ootohere said:

It takes a lot of electricity to manufacture 'Synthetic Fuels',   so you need the Nuclear or Renewables for that, or it would be Oil, Gas or Coal generated electricity.

 

Not really that 'Simply Clever', especially for Germany or their Vehicle Manufacturers or even factories where Electricity is not something they have enough of. 

 

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Time that England started having Energy Security and get on with generating enough, or earning enough to buy in what is needed.

 

Oh I fully accept that along with the fact it only , unlike EVs, reduces the emission at the tail pipe which is what the Government is targeting (Gives them almost plausible deniability on the impact of the production of EVs ).

Lets have the best of both worlds.

More electricity produced nationally via Nuclear & Renewable
Push for conventional fuels to be replaced by synthetic
ICE & EVs both allowed to remain on sale side by side and allow the market to see what flourishes
 

 

 

@Winston_Woof   What is the benefit of the Synthetic Fuel being bought and imported to the UK which is not such a big place, is it the lower emissions that should be encouraging it being available?     If economic to be in the UK then it will be available.

The price will not be within the control of the UK, and manufacturing will not be within the UK.

 

The Carbon Capture has got no place so far and will be no place further on in 11 years. 

The date of the Ban on new ICE cars will need to be put back again and the manufacturers will need to change their planned investments. 

 

Oil & Gas and the electricity to produce the petrol and diesel is going to still be there for the liquid fuel needed for the millions of ICE vehicles there will still be in the UK in 2035 and on.

 

So a limit on the Weight & Power / Speed of Passenger Vehicles in the UK and proper testing of emissions from ICE vehicles is just common sense in the UK and then the Hydrogen Production from the surplus electricity that the National Grid can not cope with makes sense.

 

If anyone wants to import or produce Synthetic Fuels and sell them at filling stations  then there is nothing to stop them if there are customers to buy it. 

Edited 9 June, 20241 yr by Ootohere

@Winston_Woof have a look at the case of E10 petrol in the UK.  The government had not given the support to those producing bio-ethanol in the UK for use in the production of the E10 so it is cheaper to import than it can be produced and sold in the UK.    As it is not all E10 in the UK had 10% bio-ethanol in it.    Kidoligy is the issue over Green  matters with the UK government.    Then the issue is using land / crops that can feed people to produce Bioethanol in other world regions.    People are starving around the world. 

Edited 9 June, 20241 yr by Ootohere

A nice day but not warm.  Before cleaning car and fitting Summer tyres / wheels I took a run to see the established solar farm and the site of the proposed one and while there tried some 0-60 mph runs on the all-seasons using DRAGY. 

 

Best times not great and the 1st and 3rd in the same direction, start spot where the sun hits the road & with tail wind not head wind and TC & Dynamic just left as default.  Turning stuff off is no assistance. 

6.67 & 6.59 seconds 0-60 mph.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 9 June, 20241 yr by Ootohere

The Heads up display was set up when I got the car and reset it off when I got home because the dash was perfect with my seat and steering at the lowest.   I was driving a New MINI Cooper S ICE with just the Center screen and a heads up and liked it so I will try on my car for a while and see if I like.  Ok when set to brightest and highest position in bright sunlight.  Handy in town.

 

 

Edited 15 June, 20241 yr by Ootohere

Loving the MINI.

It would be good to be able to go twice as far on outward trips with cheaper electricity from a home charge but i knew what to expect before getting it and i am not wishing i have a new bigger battery MINI from China.

I do not have the panel gap issue, and i have black trim not chrome and it just pushes in place and i have no issues other than if someones wants to steal it they could just remove it all in under 5 minutes.

I do not have rattles from the roof or anyplace other than from crap i have in the car.

The Sat Nav and guidance really really is terrible and i use Waze or Google.

 

I have been running now leaving it in MID (default) and the higher regen when in my home town for the last week of doing just 1 or 2 miles each start.

The steering is lighter, it feels like a dud but 1 pedal driving and 5 miles per kWh through the day.  That is 7 - 10 miles a kWh going downhill and around 4 and a bit showing coming back uphill. 

I can not head off from 100% / 112 miles range to do actually 112 miles round trip and doing an average 65 mph on the dual carriage way 2 up and a dog and get back without charging.

90 miles would have it showing just 5 % left.  So i charge before the journey home rather than slowing down and just incase there is any need to divert or hold ups or change of plan. 

 

A.N. Others observations. 

 

There is Leather & Cloth in that MINI Level 2, but no Alcentara.

There is no Leather in the New MINI, it is a man made fake leather. Knows as plastic.

Feels like leather. 

 

 

Edited 20 June, 20241 yr by Ootohere

26°C and the MINI loves it.  16°C heater which is the lowest and no AC on and in town just windows and roof open and  average speed 13 mph or so and showing 8-10 miles a kWh. 

 

Edited 24 June, 20241 yr by Ootohere

P|ss today.  At 100% /112 miles.  74 miles later at 42%.  Half nsl and slow, 36 miles to 1 hour,  then motorway.  Light rain. Into rush hour near Edinburgh airport so on to MFG as quick and easy. NOT.  First never started, 2nd started and I went for a pee.  Came back and it had stopped.  Then my card canceled.  Went on another, another card canceled.  Locked in 5 times trying to start them.  So after 30 mins in traffic I get to the podpoints.  Credit on app.  Paying 65 pence a kWh instead of 79 pence.   Got bank cards clear.  Topped up podpoint some more.  Just as well I was 2 hours early and flight in will be near 1 hour late because it will take near 1 hour to get back to the airport.  Where the rapids are still not working.  Damn expensive 79 miles really.  And next charge will be 37 pence a kWh in 90 miles which makes the overall cost OK.    20kWh £12.73 PodPoint.   EDIT.  Edinburgh park and ride rapid are back working. 

Edited 25 June, 20241 yr by Ootohere