It's just happened for the 2nd time of ownership. Slammed the brakes on so hard the abs kicked in.

Totally unexpected, and downright dangerous imo, as the car behind clearly had to slam on too. Good job he wasn't too close.

 

Managed to control my own decisions on braking more than competently without any incidents over the past 50 years, and don't need the help of some artificial 'intelligence' to do it for me now..

 

Lovely car...apart from this.

 

Sits back and awaits the sarcastic comments of...."ahh, this is progress and regulations now, and you have to accept it. If you don't like it, sell it"

Not progress or regulation really with a Mk3 model,  not legislated to have Auto braking. just set over sensitive maybe. 

?

Can you set it to be less sensitive rather than totally disabled?   They "do not all do that".  & it is not "a characteristic." 

 

Reports of happening with Brand new 2024 Vehicles, Kodiaq Mk2,s.    Skoda never got the brief on Vorsprung Durch Technic!

Was considering placing a piece of black gaffer tape over the sensor on the grille, but I believe that will throw up 'fault' lights' on the dashboard, and can muck up the expensive to fix calibration.

Is it worth a try perhaps? not that fussed on the cruise control either tbh, but can just about tolerate that, as the distance monitoring system is adjusted to max on the rocker switch every time I use it.

 

It really did take me by complete surprise earlier, as the distance between me and the car turning left at just under 30mph was completely acceptable without the need for even ME to apply any sort of braking, never mind 'emergency braking' and  activating the abs.

Without the seat belt, I'd have been launched! 

 

Wonder if this system has ever caused a rear end collision? Wouldn't surprise me.

 

 

 

Edited 18 December, 20241 yr by Adenuf

I had a fright or two with the auto braking operating when cars have approached from my left or right

as I emerged from a supermarket car park one car stopped at a postbox across the road, the

other gave way to let me out.

Wait until you're reversing down a narrow country lane to reach a passing-place, and the car decides you're going to hit a leaf sticking out from the hedge & slams the brakes on with a screaming collision alert as well. Not a useful driver "aid" at all.

Just now, SteveMcK said:

Wait until you're reversing down a narrow country lane to reach a passing-place, and the car decides you're going to hit a leaf sticking out from the hedge & slams the brakes on with a screaming collision alert as well. Not a useful driver "aid" at all.

Need someone to confirm this CAN be dis-abled. I'd welcome that completely.

Downright dangerous....... IN MY OPINION.

Noticed the parking sensors seem to pick up invisible (to me) items when moving slowly too sometimes....mildly annoying, but can tolerate that, as they do serve a good purpose generally.

 

It can definitely be turned off in the car settings menu ( I think under manoureing? But cant remember for now exactly which setting, sorry )

Absolutely a pain - Have to switch it off when reversing boat trailer ( when trailer electrical plug is removed) otherwise the car thinks its going to reverse into a stationary object and slams the brakes on every time the car and attached trailer move a few inches. Bugger of a job the first time I used this car for the task till I realised a bit later what was happening - 10 mins and only 10 feet further back!

 

had to be done every time though, its not a permanent reset.

43 minutes ago, Shuggyboatsuperb said:

It can definitely be turned off in the car settings menu ( I think under manoureing? But cant remember for now exactly which setting, sorry )

Absolutely a pain - Have to switch it off when reversing boat trailer ( when trailer electrical plug is removed) otherwise the car thinks its going to reverse into a stationary object and slams the brakes on every time the car and attached trailer move a few inches. Bugger of a job the first time I used this car for the task till I realised a bit later what was happening - 10 mins and only 10 feet further back!

 

had to be done every time though, its not a permanent reset.

OP appears to be referring to Front Assist - not Manoeuvre Braking - AFAIK, Front Assist cannot be disabled. 

20 minutes ago, Warrior193 said:

OP appears to be referring to Front Assist

Oops - apologies.  And assumed it may be switched off at the same time / same system.

Edited 18 December, 20241 yr by Shuggyboatsuperb

1 hour ago, Warrior193 said:

OP appears to be referring to Front Assist - not Manoeuvre Braking - AFAIK, Front Assist cannot be disabled. 

I was, but did mention the parking sensors kicking off randomly sometimes whilst moving slowly with not a lot around me.

 

Very disappointing to here 'front assist' can't be disabled. Is that an actual fact? As I mentioned earlier, would not sticking some black gaffer tape over the sensor disable it, with the knowledge it'll throw up some lights up on the dashboard?

22 minutes ago, Adenuf said:

I was, but did mention the parking sensors kicking off randomly sometimes whilst moving slowly with not a lot around me.

 

Very disappointing to here 'front assist' can't be disabled. Is that an actual fact? As I mentioned earlier, would not sticking some black gaffer tape over the sensor disable it, with the knowledge it'll throw up some lights up on the dashboard?

I am fairly sure you can turn off front assist, but perhaps not on more recent cars. The gaffer tape would stop adaptive cruise control from working and as you say, throw up some lights. As far as I am aware the front assist can only put the brakes on "quite hard", not fully, so I am surprised that you got the abs kicking in unless the road was very slippery. One way to defeat it is to keep the accelerator depressed slightly, this overrides the automatic braking. Bear in mind that manoeuvre braking (very low speed, using the parking sensors) is different and not over-ridden by the accelerator.

The Accelerator is pressed is it not if driving and not just 'Coasting' when the car decides to do an emergency stop.

If it does it on an icy road then even ABS is not going to be making things any better.

 

20 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

The Accelerator is pressed is it not if driving and not just 'Coasting' when the car decides to do an emergency stop.

If it does it on an icy road then even ABS is not going to be making things any better.

 

Not if the cruise control is engaged, and that is the only time I have had rogue braking.

front assist saved me from rear ending a car when driving home from the airport at 3am, via a diversion on some back roads, the car in front stopped at a mini round about to give way to nobody. I was tired and a it was a bit foggy and would have hit him without it. 

 

i can't be the only one who likes having it?

 

@nicknorman

What difference is it if you are in Cruise Control and the brakes are slammed on or the accelerator is being pressed by your toe>

 

Other than maybe icy  roads you should not use CC, same as in the wet or snow.

 

The OP does not mention CC. 

 

@SkodaKing   Working as designed is rather different from slamming on brakes and ABS functioning for no reason other than something the car thought was there. 

Edited 18 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

28 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

@nicknorman

What difference is it if you are in Cruise Control and the brakes are slammed on or the accelerator is being pressed by your toe>

 

 

The difference is whether or not you are pressing the accelerator. In my experience, if you are pressing the accelerator this overrides auto-braking (other than low speed manoeuvre braking). When cruise control is engaged, you normally don't press the accelerator as well, so the spurious braking can occur. One way around that is to press the accelerator a bit even if cruise control is engaged, this in my experience stops the spurious braking. Or to be ready with your foot over the accelerator and react to spurious braking by pressing is asap.

Over 9 years ownership, I have had at least three occasions where Front Assist automatic braking has activated in full ABS mode while the throttle pedal was pressed - two of those occasions were where the radar picked up on a vehicle turning off left just in front of me, but there was sufficient space remaining to clear the turning vehicle.

It would appear to be clear that throttle position does not override Front Assist.  

3 minutes ago, Warrior193 said:

Over 9 years ownership, I have had at least three occasions where Front Assist automatic braking has activated in full ABS mode while the throttle pedal was pressed - two of those occasions were where the radar picked up on a vehicle turning off left just in front of me, but there was sufficient space remaining to clear the turning vehicle.

It would appear to be clear that throttle position does not override Front Assist.  

 

I think you can expect that though, I've had warnings for the same scenario but never any braking. Because the other car is turning its effective speed in the direction that you are travelling is very low and often you are able to go around in situations like this as well which it cannot predict.

 

In 85K I've never had mine slam on, only ever had the pre warning. You definetly have to adjust your driving a bit and you have the bear in mind that the car might decide it is too close when manouvering at speed around other cars but I find ACC brilliant and I would never go back to normal cruise control.

 

The added benefit of having the manouvre braking  is also a fantastic addition for those 1 in a million times you have a lapse in concentration. Can you imagine how many times a car gets reversed into every day in the UK that this feature would prevent if it was implemented on every car. It would save millions.

35 minutes ago, Warrior193 said:

Over 9 years ownership, I have had at least three occasions where Front Assist automatic braking has activated in full ABS mode while the throttle pedal was pressed - two of those occasions were where the radar picked up on a vehicle turning off left just in front of me, but there was sufficient space remaining to clear the turning vehicle.

It would appear to be clear that throttle position does not override Front Assist.  

Interesting. I think a problem with discussing this sort of thing is that there is some variation between models, and between the same model of different years. I put 100k miles on my 2016 Superb and have now done about 18k miles on my 2023 Superb and never had a spurious braking action that was not over-ridden by the accelerator.

I've had it where when using ACC it has picked up on the corner of a lorry which can be overridden with the accelerator but it does not make sense for a full blown automatic emegergency stop to be able to be overridden with the accelerator because thats the whole point of the system, to be able to react quicker than you can. Or it could be that by the the time you are pressing the accelerator the car has decided no further action was required.

7 minutes ago, SuperbTWM said:

I've had it where when using ACC it has picked up on the corner of a lorry which can be overridden with the accelerator but it does not make sense for a full blown automatic emegergency stop to be able to be overridden with the accelerator because thats the whole point of the system, to be able to react quicker than you can. Or it could be that by the the time you are pressing the accelerator the car has decided no further action was required.

A system designer might (should) decide to limit the maximum automatic braking effect, to reduce their liability in the event of spurious activation causing a rear end shunt. Well that’s how I’d design it! My experience is that when the system needs to apply the brakes hard, it can do so up to a point, but if more braking is required to avoid a collision, the big red emergency brake splash logo appears on the dashboard display, along with a “bing” sound. It’s up to the driver to stomp the brake pedal. Or to press the throttle if it is a spurious activation.

Please don't go sticking stuff over or blocking the ACC Radar!!

 

U can disable the "under taking prevention" using OBDEleven or VCDS.

Coding below.

 

Under taking prevention is known to b trigger happy by slamming on the brakes when a car slows down to turn left in the adjacent left lane (for LHD) or when turning right in the adjacent right lane (for RHD).

Very annoying, and yes, can b dangerous if someone rear ends u.

 

Disabling it will not cause it to slam on the brakes.

 

Edited 19 December, 20241 yr by JR RS

10 hours ago, Ootohere said:

@SkodaKing   Working as designed is rather different from slamming on brakes and ABS functioning for no reason other than something the car thought was there. 

Wait, I think the topic is mixing more factors, and it would be good to split them apart.

 

One thing is the fact that out could happen that the system, in our view, "overreacts" because of liability compromises of the manufacturer. It cannot be overriden, and it cannot be disabled or eliminated. We just need to "adapt" to it .... If someone does not want it, then must buy a different car that either A does NOT have such assist systems or B a different manufacturer with a criterion more adequate to a particular diving style. I have in my stable vehicles far less efficient in overall braking scheme than the Superb, and everything has its pluses and minuses.

This said, what JR suggests above is gold - it was one of the first things I've done, remove the undertaking prevention, because even without it there is sufficient margin to drive within normal limits. Another thing was to disable "prediction speed limitation" which in my FL has removed the bothering "bend ahead" braking. True this works only with ACC/PCC on, but nevertheless... I did the same adjusting all parameters to "minimal/aggressive" and the car is not invasive in its assistance.

BUT

it does obviously react in some situations with pings and bong and "BRAKE" announcements ... is part of the game. Again, my older cars do not have it, matter of choice.

 

However, regardless of who activates the braking, being the driver OR the automated braking system, for the ABS to intervene it means not only that there was excessive braking force, but also grip on the tires has reached its limit triggering the intervention. This is worth investigating separately of the above.

I've had a few "excessive braking" events from the car assist systems, but never enough to trigger ABS intervention.

On my own, sometimes stupid, driving and braking "unassisted", I rarely ended up triggering ABS ... most cases recently are on one of the runabout, an old Micra, with old tires.

 

I would check how to split the problem in parts, starting by limiting its intervention as described above by JR, and then "test" to see if there is a problem elsewhere and an "oversensitive" ABS needs to be inspected.

 

 

 

10 hours ago, nicknorman said:

One way around that is to press the accelerator a bit even if cruise control is engaged, this in my experience stops the spurious braking. Or to be ready with your foot over the accelerator and react to spurious braking by pressing is asap.

I do this often, especially when driving more sporty in fast moving traffic - before you go haywire, remember we not all live in civilized places like you in the Island - keep the cruise on, but give it a bit more gas, keeping it on the edge. "It" brakes to keep or regain the distance, "I" give gas to shorten the gap or be ready to sprint forward. Is an interesting tug of war, and I've noticed there is a sweet spot where the braking effect is nil, especially when I telegraph the throttle  - probabily system reacts to he cut off and delays brake intervention - and driving is hassle free, but retaining the benefit of the assist systems.

Obviously, sometimes I misjudge the timing and I get a ping and a "BRAKE" for my trouble 😜

In that moment I feel I missed that sweet spot and need to be more precise, because the automated system is really ... precise.