I am on the market for a newish car again, as our main workhorse, an Octavia 1.6TDi gave up the soul (RIP, @15 years). Sizing down, I wonder how bad are short - seriously short - errands for the 1.0TSi engine in the Kamiq (mk3 facelift)? I am running gazillions of <5miles trips, about one every day and 2-3times a year a long, 300mile mission critical venue where breakdown is not an option (airport runs with family, etc)...

I was going all the way down to the MPI but realized, second hand pricing of the Fabia 1.0 MPI is just ridiculous, as high as same age same mileage Kamiq's which appears to be a more comfortable & safer car.

How bad is coking and turbo degradation with this engine if tormented with e.g. 3-5miles trips every day, i.e. running cold 80% of the time? How soon does it come up as a problem and is it an economical repair, knowing you'll be back with the same issue after the same period?

Edited 1 March1 Mar by WildGoose

Not sure but definitly go for petrol not Diesel. My old 1.6tdi is struggling these days as I stopped long runs and now have to take it out about once a week for a good blast down the dual carriage way to get it to regen. Had an old volvo petrol that was fine for 3-5 mile trips for years but engine oil tended to get a bit emulsified after a while due to it never reaching full temp especially in winter. You could always as I do take it out for a longer run every week and as said a good blast down the dual carriageway wouldnt do any harm.

I think that engine may have a GPF so may need a longer run to keep it clean and the same goes for the EGR.

Alasdair

I don't think that there is a diesel Kamiq, or for that matter, a Karoq. Petrol cars, although more complex than they used to be, don't have nearly so many issues. No DPF, although they do have aGPF (not nearly so many issues), no EGR valve, no Adblue pump.

I read that they have an egr valve and have seen some for sale but as its petrol will not be so bad at gunging up like diesels do. I may be wrong but worth checking. You could always put a bottle of cleaner in from time to time or the odd tank of superunleaded once in a while as it has more added cleaners.

Alasdair

58 minutes ago, Alasdair1 said:

Not sure but definitly go for petrol not Diesel. My old 1.6tdi is struggling these days as I stopped long runs and now have to take it out about once a week...

Absolutely with you on this, petrol all the way. Killed my beloved Octavia 1.6TDi with short trips over approx 5 years... DPF can be blasted but the egr eventually cokes, near uneconomical repair for a 15yo car. TSi is a different animal, trying to figure where it stands between the MPI and TDI in terms of cold-run degradation.

1 hour ago, Routemaster1461 said:

I don't think that there is a diesel Kamiq, or for that matter, a Karoq. Petrol cars, although more complex than they used to be, don't have nearly so many issues. No DPF, although they do have aGPF (not nearly so many issues), no EGR valve, no Adblue pump.

Modern petrol has EGR but AFAIK much less prone to coking than TDI. I know, MPI would be the safest bet but there are so many trade-offs going that route: car that has it (Fabia mk4 1.0MPI) is smallish for a family, not to mention with luggage, power/torque is way less than a TSi - still, the market is pricing it as expensive as a Kamiq, a car that's worth almost 4k more when new!

Edited 1 March1 Mar by WildGoose

51 minutes ago, Alasdair1 said:

I read that they have an egr valve

Diesels, yes, petrols no, as far as I can see from parts lists and wiring diagrams.

Where did you read that?

1 minute ago, WildGoose said:

Modern petrol has EGR

Disagree. Not for the last 15 or 20 years in Skodas as far as I know.

Maybe folks are thinking of gasoline particulate filters, GPFs, rather than EGR valves? Very different things.

Edited 1 March1 Mar by Breezy_Pete

I assumed all newer petrols had them as when I was looking for a purge valve for my sons mk1 1.2 and egr valves came up which surprised me also. (although that was autodoc so maybe only fitted in europe?) Going to have to look tomorrow when its light and warmer

A mk1 Fabia isn't really a newer petrol car, and even in those, after about late 2005 EGR's were dropped in petrol engines in those, I believe.

1 hour ago, Breezy_Pete said:

A mk1 Fabia isn't really a newer petrol car, and even in those, after about late 2005 EGR's were dropped in petrol engines in those, I believe.

Yup, the last petrol I had with an EGR was my old Octavia 1.416v MPI. It was a PIA. Basically a motorised valve attached to the exhaust manifold (what could possibly go wrong!!) with a metal pipe running through to the throttle body. When engine was worn it coated the throttle assembly internals with carp,

All the petrol's do have Crankcase Breather Check Valve though as far as I know.

Edited 1 March1 Mar by bigjohn

Still a lot less bother than diesel engine versions though.

For all those short trips an electric car would be ideal, or a PHEV. The latter would probably do all those short trips without the engine firing up. However, I’ve just checked and the only PHEVs that Skoda do are the Kodiak and the Superb estate. I’ve driven the Elroq ((BEV) and was very impressed but I’m not in the market for a new car and due to my house setup (car parked in the backyard miles from the consumer unit) it would cost a lot to install a charger.

People / Drivers are discovering that a PHEV that are for runs mainly or exclusively on electric is 'Simply not clever'. Not clever for the ICE and its longevity. Oil & Plugs and GPF. Actually Hybrids are not much use for a mile or 2 to the shops and back because the engine needs to fire up for both batteries to charge.

You learn something new on here every day. For once they actually removed an antipolution device. Normally they add more as in dpf/gpf etc. and make the cars more complicated and less reliable/more to go wrong. If only they would remove the dpf and egr on diesels my cars would be a lot happier.

Alasdair

1 hour ago, marineboy said:

For all those short trips an electric car would be ideal, or a PHEV. The latter would probably do all those short trips without the engine firing up. However, I’ve just checked and the only PHEVs that Skoda do are the Kodiak and the Superb estate. I’ve driven the Elroq ((BEV) and was very impressed but I’m not in the market for a new car and due to my house setup (car parked in the backyard miles from the consumer unit) it would cost a lot to install a charger.

I've run all the numbers, EV is not practical for such mileage (about 6k/year).

@WildGoose What numbers have you done, are they based on having to Public Charge and pay more than 50 pence a kWh?. Because if you can charge using a 3 pin plug at under 10 pence for 6 hours a day or even just at 30 pence standard tariff to run a BEV for local, short trips and even occasional longer & charging at Public Chargers. Used EV,s are dirt cheap. 10 pence a kWh, 10 kWh £1.00 Get even just 3.1 kWh as i am, 31 miles for £1. But say 30 pence a kWh, 10 kWh £3.00. 3.5 miles a kWh = 35 miles. 50 pence a kWh, 10 kWh £5.00

Edited 2 March2 Mar by Evolution13

I was looking at proper (forget the correct or marketing term) hybrid and "mild" (different ideas of what that might be) for my wife and all her short journeys and came to the same conclusion as Evolution13 that they're not best suited at all.

6k-milkes a year is low but not that low, or as I've put nowhere near as low as I see from neighbour's and looking at some new-ish replacement cars I've seen advertised, more like 1k-3k-miles a year, or less. It's the odd very occasional long journeys that would make electric only costings more difficult to pin down, at home or near(er) home should be easier to know and calculate.

Servicing an electric car electric engine is something to look forward to compared to the messy, costly, farting about servicing an ICE engine which isn't.

Skoda / VW Group have MHEV,s like the Octavia,s. Mild Hybrid, 1.0 or 1.5 TSI. As members here might have.. Toyota have Mild Hybrids like Honda, Suzuki & others have. Decades of Japanese experience.

3 hours ago, nta16 said:

Servicing an electric car electric engine is something to look forward to compared to the messy, costly, farting about servicing an ICE engine which isn't.

The caveat here is the warranty, even battery warranty. To keep that properly alive, i.e. no lawyers and guns necessary to convince the manufacturer that's your battery, engine, etc are covered, is to service the EV at a dealership. Now a Nissan dealership charges as much for a Leaf servicing as my trusted garage for a DIESEL!

If that is so with a NISAN then do not get a Nissan. Actually not so in many the case. & there are great Mobile EV Techs. Doing Nissans, Renaults, TESLA, Porsche etc etc. I bought my EV from a dealership that has KIA not MG. Trained & Qualified Techs, VAT Registered and they Serviced the Car and i have a Valid Battery Warranty. & I have an Aftermarket BEV Warranty for the vehicle. Cost less than for an ICE Vehicle.

Edited 2 March2 Mar by Evolution13

7 hours ago, Evolution13 said:

@WildGoose What numbers have you done, are they based on having to Public Charge and pay more than 50 pence a kWh?. Because if you can charge using a 3 pin plug at under 10 pence for 6 hours a day or even just at 30 pence standard tariff to run a BEV for local, short trips and even occasional longer & charging at Public Chargers. Used EV,s are dirt cheap.

The best EV tariff offers I found was from Octopus and EON: both charge about 10% more on gas and daytime electricity than the normal variable rate and 20% over my current fixed rate tariff. As we use loads of gas (large house, kids need heating), EV tariff simply makes no sense. What I'd win on charging vs normal tariff rates I'd loose on gas. My fixed rate for electricity is 25p/kWh, add 20% charging losses and 3.8miles/kWh efficiency that's about 12miles/£. Petrol @50mpg gives about 10miles/£.

10 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

If that is so with a NISAN then do not get a Nissan. Actually not so in many the case. & there are great Mobile EV Techs. Doing Nissans, Renaults, TESLA, Porsche etc etc. I bought my EV from a dealership that has KIA not MG. Trained & Qualified Techs, VAT Registered and they Serviced the Car and i have a Valid Battery Warranty.

Same s.t with Kia, Hyundai. The only easy one I know is Tesla but that's an other price class.

No EV here, period, I've run those circles about half a year ago with all the charger installation sh.t, researching garden digging needs, etc.

Edited 2 March2 Mar by WildGoose

Nonsense on charging losses. If getting 50 kWh needs 55 kW @ 27 pence a kWh normal tariff, then £15 to go maybe 150-200 miles. 25 pence a kWh, 10 kWh £2.50 taking you 38 miles. So £5 gives 76 miles, ..............£6.20 a gallon. 50 MPG.

Edited 2 March2 Mar by Evolution13

And? How many miles do you have to run with that to compensate for an approx £300/year more insurance and £1000/year more devaluation?

Believe me, I've been there, went through all the relevant figures. EV is no free lunch. Good if you run 10k+ miles mostly on home charging, otherwise just taking money from an other pocket. Pain in the ..ss on the occasional long trip.

Edited 2 March2 Mar by WildGoose

@WildGoose Clearly not for you.... Na, you are working on funny figures. I have done 80,000 miles now in EV,s. & have ICE cars as well. Devaluation is not an issue when you buy ones that are already devalued and it is a keeper. Like depreciation on any vehicle, depends on how long you run them. Where do you live at or what is your job to be getting £300 more expensive Insurance Quotes over an ICE vehicle of the same value & age?

Edited 2 March2 Mar by Evolution13