While at Brunters I had a long chin wag with Jim from Awesomme...

We spoke about the 'percieved' differences in different companies and there

claims... Also that fact that on here Jabba seems to be the most popular,

SeatCupra.Net prefer REVO.. Why???

What Jim suggested and I totally agree with is to stop the BS claims and counter claims.. is to setup a comparison test, invite all the main 'chip or ODP' tuning companies to an independant rolling road use the 1.8T engine as a test, get 10 or unmodified Octy's for example ( with owners permission )

draw out of the hat free remaps, and run them side by side... this would give a true indication of the various claims.. Oh before each upgrade take a base line reading from the Rolling road..

What do ypu all think ... as the choice is sometimes confusing...

cheers

Dazz

if they agree and it is possible then i think a damn good idea

But what would it prove? Surely before you start doing all this you'd need to decide the criteria for "best"...?

Rob.

Nice idea but what the car does on the rollers is one thing but how it drives & how long it lasts are quite another & therefore how do you judge what is best. If its all about bhp then high figures can be achieved but at the expense of driveability & longevity of Engine life.

Personally I would not want to donate my car to someone who is trying for max bhp & then ragging the doobries off it on the rollers

And would you find 10 owners happy to accept a "random" remap?

Personally speaking, i'm very careful about who i allow to work on my car

Nice idea but what the car does on the rollers is one thing but how it drives & how long it lasts are quite another & therefore how do you judge what is best. If its all about bhp then high figures can be achieved but at the expense of driveability & longevity of Engine life.

Personally I would not want to donate my car to someone who is trying for max bhp & then ragging the doobries off it on the rollers

Agree totally - all it would prove is who could squeeze the most bhp out of the car on the rollers - which is nothing like 'which is the best' :(

Surely there are several owners that have had the various tuners 'fettle' with their respective machines.....and maybe some of these have been dyno....apart from those that have a post-map run on the rollers?????

/Gavin

Perhaps a 0-100 run or if your want real driving 30-70 through the gears and 50-70 in top etc. I would be happy to do all the data with my Vbox if some people wanted to meet and would offer my Fabia vRS as it has been Revo'd. I have Revo on my Seat LCR and Skoda but really the best way to check what you like most is to drive a car that has been converted or get a trial if one is offered. Don't listen to random opinions as most people want different things and the different tuners are rather different but still all offer more power and performance.

I could rave on about how great both my cars are now with Revo code but so could many about all the other tuners. It would be nice to to see what the other tuners offered and how they performed side by side.

If anybody does fancy meeting up we will run a feature on it.

sorry,i simply don't agree with all this comparison stuff

a good remap is a good remap wherever you go.It will have done using a RR and the tuner will remap your car,which will be different to every other car they will see,and they will take on board your requests, ie torque,top end,whatever.its the bloke who makes the difference,and the then the code,in that order.A real test is how many cars they blow up

why bother comparing remaps when the biggest differences on this test will be driver ability,tyres and mechanical sympathy?

sorry' date='i simply don't agree with all this comparison stuff

a good remap is a good remap wherever you go.It will have done using a RR and the tuner will remap your car,which will be different to every other car they will see,and they will take on board your requests, ie torque,top end,whatever.its the bloke who makes the difference,and the then the code,in that order.A real test is how many cars they blow up

why bother comparing remaps when the biggest differences on this test will be driver ability,tyres and mechanical sympathy?[/quote']

Got to agree with this.

I've said it before and I'll say it again....as long as you're happy with what your tuner has done for you, that's all that matters.

Most tuners have pretty good relations with each other....the only good that such a comparison would do is stir up trouble amongt owners and agents etc.

IMHO.

I'm not talking about specfically prepared codes for this purpose, but each tuner who by the way would have to be carefull anyway with something like this. Only to provide there 'off the shelf' upgrade. Only someone like Jabbasport could tweak there maps to provide big BHP but this would effect poss torque and where the max power was developed...

Also as a requirement of getting a free remap then the 10 cars would be required to revisit the rolling road either within 1 month or 6?? maybe...

I'm sure members off here would start complaining loudly if something was not right..

Each company would then have to garantee return to standard!!...

Ta..

Dazz

Dazz - just noticed your car is standard.

Are you just trying to blag a free remap mate??

Dazz , I think that in a most cases on here , word of mouth recommendation goes a long way , as it does with lots of other items we spend our money on .

If someone that you trust and who's judgement you respect recommends a certain product then you are quite likely to buy that product , and if you are then happy with the product , you would also recommend it to a friend if he/she were thinking of buying the same product .

I , at one time was seriously considering the Revo remap/chip ........but seeing as there was and certainly still is many satisfied Jabba customers , I went that route as well ..........and am completely happy with what I bought ,but that is not a criticism of the other companies , who I am sure do an equally good job .

I tried 3 different remaps from 3 companies on my old one.

I bought a new one and went straight to the one I felt happiest with. They are happy to tweek / remap it as and when I add bits, at no extra charge. They listened to what I wanted and then played with the curves until it was how I wanted it. This took 10 dyno runs. I am happy and would recommend them to others.

Yes my car is standard.. and yes i was interested in this free trial.. but

As I asked questions about custom maps ( Jabba ) and fixed maps ( Revo, APR etc.. ) it led into this discussion...

I have to ask what are you all afraid of?

If Revo 'claim a certain figure' say 225bhp out of a Octavia vRS should they not deliver it?

Same with APR, Jabba etc...

Also there is the price differentials etc... and the question why we prefer Jabba to SeatCupra.net who prefer REVO

Yes could I'd like a free remap.. but this is NOT the reason for this post..

Ta

Dazz

I have to ask what are you all afraid of?

Nothing' date=' we just prefer to spend our money with people who we trust, and who are open & honest with us.

If Revo 'claim a certain figure' say 225bhp out of a Octavia vRS should they not deliver it?

Yes, but as RR time isn't generally included with Revo, it's up to the customer to prove the claims. Unacceptable IMHO.

Same with APR, Jabba etc...

They DO deliver, the many happy customers on Briskoda are living proof.

Also there is the price differentials etc... and the question why we prefer Jabba to SeatCupra.net who prefer REVO

Personal preference, customer / supplier trust etc, 1st class after-sales service.

Have nothing against other tuners - I've only had one remap. I followed the same path as Pete - read feedback on here, compared prices and vfm, and decided on Jabba. I've not been disappointed, but there again I have nothing to compare against.

As for the others, I'm still not sure I know who they really are. I keep getting AMD and APR confused. Revo (I think) used to be APR until some guys split off and (allegedly) took the intellectual property with them. I'm sure they all do a good job, but some inspire more confidence than others.

Then there's the people developing their own maps, the ones who do so few cars you hardly hear of them, but their customers rave about them (Terry is just selling his VRS in the for sale section, for example), and finally the off-the-shelf chips that some have tried, but never quite leave that satisfied feeling.

It's a market. People will be influenced to go to one vendor or another by feedback and "feelgood factor". All the products may be of equal merit, but then word of mouth steps in and influences matters. In the end, there's only yourself to please.

with all respect this is your opinion... Not fact..!!

I can only take your word for it,,,, I can then go over to the Seatcupra site, and be totally assured about REVO... Who is right? who gives the best service, aftersales as well?

Its not about the best BHP fiqure.. If Jabba say's it produces 230bhp

and only gets 200, then why?

similar if Jabba constantly produced say 240bhp.. then this would lay as a certain claim!

cheers

Dazz

p.s. this is a right beehive I've let lose!

with all respect this is your opinion... Not fact..!!

I can only take your word for it' date=',,, I can then go over to the Seatcupra site, and be totally assured about REVO... Who is right? who gives the best service, aftersales as well?

Its not about the best BHP fiqure.. If Jabba say's it produces 230bhp

and only gets 200, then why?

similar if Jabba constantly produced say 240bhp.. then this would lay as a certain claim!

cheers

Dazz

p.s. this is a right beehive I've let lose![/quote']

And your point is?

You've heard (apparently) that some Jabba claims are exaggerated? Facts, examples, substantiating evidence?

Most people with VRSs on here remapped by Jabba are getting 230bhp plus, dyno-ed on the day. Fact.

People remapped by REVO only know what they're getting when they subsequently attend a third-party RR day. Fact.

In one breath you say "it's not about the best bhp figure", then you spend the next two sentences quoting bhp figures. So what is it about, then?

I'm sure we just have our wires crossed, really.

I could quote the instance of a recent RR day, where cars remapped by 1 particular tuning co were producing good figures, and cars from other tuners were decidedly iffy..

The fact that the operators of said RR were a dealer for this particular company may or may not be relevant...

At the same RR day, a standard Furby RS (i.e. ripe for a remap) produced rather nice standard figures..

Cynical, moi?

Very...

OK, I

Ok...guess the tuner/company time.

I'm pretty sure I know them...

Its not about the best BHP fiqure.. If Jabba say's it produces 230bhp

and only gets 200' date=' then why?

similar if Jabba constantly produced say 240bhp.. then this would lay as a certain claim![/quote']Dazz, when I had my 4X4 remapped I had a look at Jabba's site to see what sort of power increase I could expect. Their advertised 'expected typical increase' (ie post-remap power figure) for the ARX (4X4) was 216 - 228 and for the AUQ (vRS) 218 - 232. I don't know of anyone who has got less than the lower figure for a Jabba remap, whilst plenty have got more than the upper figure. A very big 'plus' point for Jabba is that their remaps can be tailored for the way you want your car to drive and for any mods fitted.

As driver of a totally standard, non-vRS barge, I find the whole comparison pointless. You will never get different tuners to all go head to head to prove what exactly?

Unless, you can get 10 cars for each tuner to be then retuned by the other tuners you can never tell who is better..and in what way.

As the owner of the car and financier of the tune, whats best for you and your car is what gives you the best overall feeling, including performance, value for money, satisfaction, reassurance and support.

I am in the service industry, and if someone comes to me and says will you go head to head on a machine repair I would say "no, why should I". I have nothing to prove as I have a huge list of satisfied customers all of whom are more than happy to recommend me/us...and for why?..because they feel all of the above.

If you think that 1 head-line figure is going to be the be-all and end-all then I am afraid you are sadly dilluded.

One last question......do you always buy the cheapest or most expensive of any item?

Point proved.

Ok...guess the tuner/company time.

I'm pretty sure I know them...

Think I do too!

I know which of the options I would go for. Oh, sorry, I already have!