I could probably make a guess as well

If I'm right companies B & C have had people done and when they've swapped cars they've gone back to them to get their next car done. Surely a recommendation if they are getting repeeat business?

So, has Daz worked out who the tuners are or which one of the 6 he'd chose?

So, what

I could quote the instance of a recent RR day' date=' where cars remapped by 1 particular tuning co were producing good figures, and cars from other tuners were decidedly iffy..

The fact that the operators of said RR were a dealer for this particular company may or may not be relevant...

At the same RR day, a standard Furby RS (i.e. ripe for a remap) produced rather nice standard figures..

Cynical, moi?

Very...

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i wonder whos the standard Furby was

the RR day in question.. out of all the remapped cars (all tuners) only 1 came out on the money.. and that was a LCR with twin I/Cs all the other remapped figures were down on expected results.. even the remapped tdi that was there. safe to say that heatsoak was a major issue... tho my car was on there being ragged for at least half an hour and was fine??? :confused:

daggers out time.

I could enlighten you all... but I guess not a million miles away from what Jim (and a previous employee of his suggested) was what we'd already done in January.

We ran Various Leon Cupra R's in various states of tune, from stock to quite modified & logged all teh results.

Overlays are from 4 LCR's with no other (decent) mods:

Sorry they're not hugely clear, but the software only runs 800x600 screens.

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5955 - power

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5956 - torque

whole article here - http://www.seatcupra.net/feature_stealthrrday250104.htm

needless to say - some cars faired well, but all were run equally well.

some cars ran seriously less than their respected tuners said.

Mark - interesting article/test, but it only shows who has most power or torque...is there no test of driveability?

Rob.

I'm finding this all a bit pointless as well. I just did what everyone does before getting their Skoda remapped - read all the comments on all the sites about 1.8T tuning and make your own mind up !

The previous 5 cars I've had remapped or re-chipped had mixed (so-so to very good) results and most were more expense than what I chose for the Skoda.

For me its about:-

a) HOW it drives

Does the person physically remapping your car know what they are doing ?

Twenty rolling road runs on my car and experience of 'loads' of Skodas before helps.

Rob

There would appear to be significant differences between readings for different rolling roads. However, in Jabba's case the car is tested on the rolling road before, during and after the tailored remap and the power/torque gains are self-evident to see. Some other tuners may do likewise but many do not.

This has stirred things up.. and seemed to got peoples backs up,,

The point is very basically is with so many options on the tuning front which offers the 'best' package... HP, torque realiabilty.... I did not intend to make this a slanging match between tuners or owners...

also 1 person's bad experience .. however vocal can be a small percentage

of the real big picture... It just seems very strange that even though we share basically the same engine that Briskoda and SeatCupra have totally different opinions about tuners...

It was just a suggestion point...AND NO I'm NOT after a FREE BLOODY REMAP!

Its would be nice thou !

Also I should have got more passenger drives out with some of you chipped Octy boys...

Cheers

Dazz

I did not intend to make this a slanging match between tuners or owners...

Hence me reading this thread but not getting actively involved.

There would appear to be significant differences between readings for different rolling roads

and thats well known i think,I've been on Scoobynet for 4 years and this type of discussion comes up so often you get to know which rr will be on the generous side and which will be more cautious (or accurate,depending on your point of view)

The point is very basically is with so many options on the tuning front which offers the 'best' package... HP, torque realiabilty

Which was my point - there is no such thing. YOU have to decide

Its a bit like buying a used car. You work out which kind of car gives you what you want, then see how reliable they seem to be, then worked what you can afford. You can spend

After brumters it seemed all the tuning boys were as FAF to me anyway. I personally went the revo route but if I was local to Jabba it may have been different. The advantage for me was location and time - as I'm self employed by the time I'd have had a day off (no holiday pay) and drove to jabba it put the revo route as more economical. I personally think that good healthy competition between the tuning guys is good as the end users like myself and the other chaps on here get the benefits of the improved products.

After brumters it seemed all the tuning boys were as FAF to me anyway. I personally went the revo route but if I was local to Jabba it may have been different. The advantage for me was location and time - as I'm self employed by the time I'd have had a day off (no holiday pay) and drove to jabba it put the revo route as more economical. I personally think that good healthy competition between the tuning guys is good as the end users like myself and the other chaps on here get the benefits of the improved products.

You've made a very good point here....it's just not about power/torque figures.

heres my 2p.

superchips - have tried superchips on othercars... so much of a joke im not even going to tell the tales..

jabba - never used but hear good things from many cars seem drivable.. think their rollers may be a little optomistic but who cares - before / after comaprison is what counts.

APR - i use - so i am biased but i find the product very good... the extra facilities make it tops for me. i know colind also rates it as he has gone back to it to - repeat business.

revo - bad experience with the demo but everyone makes mistakes.. - current product seems fine - have heard the odd report but the tuning keys makes the potential for owner induced issues higher - as with vtune..

amd - not used no experience - heard they had probs with k04 kits but they seemto do ok with other products and have enough knowledge...

best option:-

easy third party ECU! remap to your hearts content... and run antilag!

We ran Various Leon Cupra R's in various states of tune' date=' from stock to quite modified & logged all teh results.

Overlays are from 4 LCR's with no other (decent) mods:[/quote']

You could have overlayed my graphs onto that one for comparison purposes!! I think they'd fit on that scale...

..and are you sure those Revo graphs aren't fromn the car that was running Miltek exhaust & cat??

With me, the choice Revo or Jabba is a toughie - Revo's quick & easy, but expensive, and I'm not sure if even the sps3 will keep up with the mods I'll be doing to the car. Jabba on the other hand is cheaper, custom map, but a long drive & means opening up the ecu (potential for water ingress probs)...

Decisions, decisions...

Just had a thought - who do the TT owners go to??

Just had a thought - who do the TT owners go to??

The hairdressers?

I'll get me coat...

The hairdressers?

I'll get me coat...

who do the TT owners go to??

Answer: Audi do it through the ODB port. One of the guys I work with had his done last year it's a 225 and when he plugs the box in to change the ECU (a bit like one click) he gets 260bhp. It also has the ECU scrambler on it as well. Think it cost about

Jabba did my latest one thorough the ODB port.

means opening up the ecu (potential for water ingress probs)...

Rog,

Jabba now offer OBD port remapping for 1.8T.......interested?

As for TT drivers.....from Tyresmoke a lot of them seem to like REVO....must be all that disposable cash they have.

We have had 2 cars Jabbad & are totally happy with both, why did we choose Jabba even though it was a 3 hour trip each way. Because we felt happy with them, we had read Briskoda at length , chatted with a few people who had used them & liked what we heard. So as others have said if you are happy with whoever you choose then thats OK.

As for Bhp figures, most people think more bhp = more power/speed & thats not true, its all about driveability, powerband etc & that funny but very important thing called Torque. My last car, an Impreza STI had a Jap Chip on it, an induction kit, HKS EVC giving variable boost & a fully decated system, it was dynoed at 292 bhp & the guy said thats a good curve for a scoob. My Octy was mapped to a mere 228 bhp by Jabba but I know which car is nicer to drive & which is quicker & its not the Scoob unless its a dead straight road with enough room for the Scoob to wind up & you got the gear changes right to the revs.

The only thing I would say I am convinced of is whoever you choose try & go for something that involves a rolling road so figures can be checked & you arent just buying what someone claims, its also a way of checking other things are working, if something else is faulty then it wil effect the final figure wheras with a non RR chip/map you will never know what has been achieved.

A good tuner should IMO run the car before he does anything to it to ensure its producing what it should, that way faults can be found & should you have any serious problems it will be hi-lited before more power is dialled in with potentially serious & expensive consiquenses.

Stuart

i've had APR on both my RS's because it's a great product with really smooth delivery and with excellent torque.

i agree with all that's been said previously about personal preference and satisfaction - that is the most important thing. do i really care if my car puts out 220 or 230? not at all. it's how it drives that counts.

*however* , in saying this, i do know that i will never touch a superchips again. i thought that the horrendous remap on my 330d might have been a one-off, but it seems they are universally crap. colin had one in his RS before getting it APR'd and has said on the boards here that the difference was day and night.

jabba - never used but hear good things from many cars seem drivable.. think their rollers may be a little optomistic but who cares - before / after comaprison is what counts.

Absolutely right - it's the DIFFERENCE that the tuner is measured on. Having said that, my 150bhp AGU engine was measured on the "before" run on Jabba's dyno at almost exactly 150, so I find the final figure of 203 easy to believe.

Currently it feels as if it's developing about 80 bhp but that's not their fault

Rog' date='

Jabba now offer OBD port remapping for 1.8T.......interested? [/quote']

Is that still a custom map?? If so... very tempting!!! Not yet though - slight cash flow problem...

From a forum based view, the question of why does XXX forum prefer XXX tuner, its all down to experiences.

We at Seatcupra.net, whenever asked the immortal question "What Chip/Remap?" point the person to all the usual websites (REVO, Jabba, APR et al), and encourage them to do a search of the forums to try and make their own mind up.

I think, as most people on SCN have REVO on the ever popular LCR, this seems to take presidence, mainly because the REVO LCR code was developed on one of the first LCR's to be delivered, which was owned by a long standing member of SCN, hence word has spread from there.

Likewise, most of the Briskoda owners have used jabbasport to tune their cars, no doubt because of the good reports and feedback from long standing owners.

Neither is better or worse form the opinion of the forum itself, its wholly based on the feedback from the people who use the product.

There will never be an end outsome to this discussion, as choice and opinion make the world go round, best advise i offer to people, is to get as much information as you can and make a well informed decision yourself, and as we all know, Rolling Roads mean jack when compared to real road driving.

Cheers

Saul