SKODA KODIAQ ENGINE SPEC

[Montozuma]

What would be better engine spec 1.4 TSI 150PS DSG 4x4 or 2.0 TdI 150PS DSG 4x4

[Ootohere]

What do you mean?

The diesel will be the one that might cause you issues in the future for some city centres, 

the petrol is what it is.

Both having a minimum 150 ps the difference is in the torque and maybe a bit better fuel economy with the diesel.

[BoxerBoy]

What would be better engine spec 1.4 TSI 150PS DSG 4x4 or 2.0 TdI 150PS DSG 4x4

No brainer

2.0 TDI 190 HP 400 Nm DSG

Can you tell I'm biased?

But 1.4 TSI petrol is fantastic in little Octavia :-)

[FabiaTDi]

What would be better engine spec 1.4 TSI 150PS DSG 4x4 or 2.0 TdI 150PS DSG 4x4

Depends on your needs (towing, heavier loads regularly, mileage, economy, power delivery preferences, refinement preferences etc etc? ) We went for the tsi 4x4 DSG as the lease deal happened to be quite a bit cheaper than the TDI and it will be sub 10k per year for us. VAG 1.4 tsi a really good little motor.

[ZacDaMan72]

No brainer

2.0 TDI 190 HP 400 Nm DSG

Can you tell I'm biased?

But 1.4 TSI petrol is fantastic in little Octavia :-)

He didn't ask about the 190PS TDI did he.

For city use and not towing with occasional long distance trips go with the TSI. If you're carrying people and their cargo and/or towing go with the TDI. The TDI should also get better economy over long distance travelling too.

[Ootohere]

^^^ Should be. Might be or maybe works out the same in cost per years running costs based on mileage.

Count in the cost of a few pence extra a litre of diesel over petrol in the UK and the Ad-blue used with a TDI.

After April 2017 check out the VED's but if on some Leasing deal that maybe does not matter.

[Montozuma]

I keen to get 2.0 TDI 4x4. The thing which worries me is recent articles about Diesel cars and some countries might ban them soon. The other thing worries me is we do trips to Germany,Poland etc maybe ones a year. If I go for 1.4 purely because of cost and PCP deals will it be safe for long trips with heavy loads?

[Gizmo]

I keen to get 2.0 TDI 4x4. The thing which worries me is recent articles about Diesel cars and some countries might ban them soon. The other thing worries me is we do trips to Germany,Poland etc maybe ones a year. If I go for 1.4 purely because of cost and PCP deals will it be safe for long trips with heavy loads?

 

 

AIUI (happy to be proved wrong) nobody is planning on banning EU6 cars from city centres, older diesels yes, but not the current engines.

 

Obviously a 1.4 with its much lower torque is going to struggle compared to a TDi when they are fully loaded

[Ootohere]

You are probably right on the EU 6 bit, the London Mayor is only talking about charging more for Euro 4 vehicles or Diesels.

 

As to any diesels be it 4, 5 or Euro 6, then that could happen with little notice anyplace really if Oslo can do it.

But then if like Paris they could ban any vehicles any time if the pollution is high enough.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/422407-oslo-temporarily-bans-diesel-cars-to-combat-pollution

[Sw1]

I keen to get 2.0 TDI 4x4. The thing which worries me is recent articles about Diesel cars and some countries might ban them soon. The other thing worries me is we do trips to Germany,Poland etc maybe ones a year. If I go for 1.4 purely because of cost and PCP deals will it be safe for long trips with heavy loads?

[Sw1]

This is one of the reasons I have gone down the PCH route, hopefully in a couple of years there will be better hybrid and electric options.

As I sometimes do 400 miles round trips with work I went with the diesel, I have the 190 Diesel engine in my a6 avant ultra and it's very good when paired with S-tronic

[Orville]

Don't write off the 1.4 due to lack of torque. It may have only 250NM compared to 340NM (diesel), but the petrol spreads it's power throughout a much wider rev-range and will have shorter gearing to compensate. The petrol is also substantially lighter and it is slightly faster in the 0-62 dash. There won't really be much difference between them apart from refinement (petrol win)  and fuel-economy (diesel win).

 

edit: In the same way that the 2.0 180PS petrol is is significantly faster than the 190PS and higher-torque diesel, PS and NM do not tell the whole story. Petrols wider power band can more than compensates for a moderate deficiency in peak power/torque. 

Edited 24 January, 2017 by Orville

[Orville]

Additionally, unless you require 4x4 for towing, off-roading or cold-weather climate I would opt for 2WD. Fuel-economy will be 10-15% better, emssions and Road TAX will be lower, and the car will be ~90kg (one larger passenger) lighter and faster. For the more powerful pertrol and deisel engines 4x4 launch traction will be nice, but the lesser engines should mate well with 2WD. I doubt whether the 150PS variants will struggle to put the power through two wheels. 

[djordje48]

I agree with better fuel economy and taxes for 2WD but....if you get stuck somewhere, panda 4x4 will laugh you:)

[Orville]

18 hours ago, djordje48 said:

I agree with better fuel economy and taxes for 2WD but....if you get stuck somewhere, panda 4x4 will laugh you:)

Location makes a huge difference. Belgrade offers a more adverse climate than Southern England so your practical need for 4x4 is far greater than mine. I cannot argue with your logic.

 

The many times I have been stuck, 4x4 would not have helped. I tend to get held up behind other non-moving traffic rather than wthin a muddy field or ice covered roads. 4x4 appeals to me because of 1st-gear traction and quick getaways, rather than for any real dependency. Horses for courses.

[djordje48]

37 minutes ago, Orville said:

Location makes a huge difference. Belgrade offers a more adverse climate than Southern England so your practical need for 4x4 is far greater than mine. I cannot argue with your logic.

 

The many times I have been stuck, 4x4 would not have helped. I tend to get held up behind other non-moving traffic rather than wthin a muddy field or ice covered roads. 4x4 appeals to me because of 1st-gear traction and quick getaways, rather than for any real dependency. Horses for courses.

Yes of course, everyone has its own needs and the climate is different. In Siberia you can stay home with 4x4, you need 8x8:)  

[toureos]

In April 2016 VW announced a new 1.5 litre engine to replace the current 1.4.  It was supposed to be out by now but I haven't seen any sign of it.  I thought it might appear in the Kodiaq but obviously not yet.  For details see https://www.carwow.co.uk/news/new-volkswagen-1-5-tsi-2914

[Redline Greenline ii]

I've got a similar debate going on in Chez RLGL2. Our current and previous cars are / were both Greenline diesels. However our current driving requirements all point towards buying a petrol next. We now only do about 6-7,000 miles per year.

 

For most city driving I'm sure that the 1.4tsi will be fine, but we like to get out of town and do a longish trip every other month or so, visiting friends and family. For those who have driven the 1.4tsi, how does it cope accelerating under load? Am I going to get rear-ended by an audi driver every time I go to overtake somebody? And if you've driven the 2.0tsi, is it worth the extra cost?

 

I seem to cope OK with the 1.6tdi in our Octy, especially if it's in sport mode and I whack it down a gear. I'm thinking of switching from manual to dsg too, so presumably dsg will work out that I need some extra oomph when over taking?

Edited 5 February, 2017 by Redline Greenline ii

[Ootohere]

Volkswagen might allow Skoda the 1.5TSI when the time comes for the Kodiaq to get a face lift seeing as VW's new attitude to 'Downsizing' & real world emissions.

Obviosly this 'Change of mind' came too late for the introduction of the Kodiaq.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/423771-the-age-of-engine-downsizing-is-over-says-volkswagen

[Leeboy]

On 05/02/2017 at 08:07, Redline Greenline ii said:

I've got a similar debate going on in Chez RLGL2. Our current and previous cars are / were both Greenline diesels. However our current driving requirements all point towards buying a petrol next. We now only do about 6-7,000 miles per year.

 

For most city driving I'm sure that the 1.4tsi will be fine, but we like to get out of town and do a longish trip every other month or so, visiting friends and family. For those who have driven the 1.4tsi, how does it cope accelerating under load? Am I going to get rear-ended by an audi driver every time I go to overtake somebody? And if you've driven the 2.0tsi, is it worth the extra cost?

 

I seem to cope OK with the 1.6tdi in our Octy, especially if it's in sport mode and I whack it down a gear. I'm thinking of switching from manual to dsg too, so presumably dsg will work out that I need some extra oomph when over taking?

I drive a manual 1.4 ACT Superb manual.  Kerb weight according to the brochure is 1320Kg.  The equivalent 2wd is quoted at 1551 Kg, plus a little less aerodynamic.  

 

I find with one up,  driving the Superb is a quick enough but doesn't have the torque to quickly accelerate say 60-80 mph for a quickly to nip or into the outside lane on the motorway, although they doesn't stop many a driver doing exactly that and going nowhere quick once they have pulled out.   

 

Anyhow back to the topic,  if I fill the cat with four adults that will be getting on for the kerb weight of a Kodiaq.   In these conditions,  the car still progresses well enough but needs more right foot to maintain progress.   This typically blunts consumption by easily 5mpg.  So by my logic, put four up or even seven up on a 1.4 Kodiaq and you'll be 10mpg down.   My Superb had returned just under 50mpg average after 18,000 miles of mostly one up long distance motorway miles.  So I reckon it would be fair to suggest that when used as a regular family car around town and for a twice daily commute is going to see you return high 30s mpg, low 40s at most. 

 

Spec it with 4wd and lose another 3 to 4 mpg I guess.   In saying all that if you only do 6000 miles a year it will work out cheaper than a diesel because of the cheaper initial purchase. And keep it for the long term,  then a petrol will be cheaper to maintain. 

[Redline Greenline ii]

Thanks Leeboy, that's really helpful. Sounds like a 1.4tsi would probably suit my purposes for the most part and I'll just have to drive accordingly when I need to overtake. To be honest I'm in the habit of accelerating before I pull out anyway, as I don't tend to get too close to the car in front. Most of the time it'll be just two adults and 2 small kids, but we're looking for a 7 seater as we occasionally need to ferry around extra adults. I expect it might struggle a bit with a full car but that won't be often enough to worry about.

 

I'm actually thinking about getting a 2 year lease this time, with a view to reassessing the options when it expires. I'm hoping the promised hybrid will be available by then. I guess that'll be paired with a small petrol so it'll give me a chance to test it out.

[Orville]

For anyone who dares to tinker, the 1.4TSI ACT engine can have a tuning-box fitted or be remapped to ~180PS....

 

Same applies for the 150 TDI.

Edited 14 February, 2017 by Orville

[Ootohere]

It would be a brave or could not care less person that will fit a 'Tuning Box' to 1.4 TSI ACT / 1.4 TFSI COD even if they think they are undetectable when removed 

while the longevity of the ACT / COD's are still in question as not that many have higher miles yet and some have yet to see the Spark Plug life with the OEM Spark Plugs the VW Group fit.

 

As for taking the 1.4 TSI ACT / 1.4 TFSI COD 150ps to 180ps with a remap, some might just think on the issues the 1.4TSI Twinchargers of 160-180ps had.

They are obviously different engines, but not that much different, hence why VW Group are dropping the 1.4 TSI for 1.5 TSI's in the not to distant future.

eg

When VW get things wrong do not expect any announcements or explanations or any form of confirming they will be responsible for their c-ock ups.

http://revotechnik.com/support/technical/14tsi-twincharger-engine-issues

Edited 14 February, 2017 by Offski

[Montozuma]

Should I go for 2.0 TDI 4x4 manual or DSG.. Never driven DSG :/ any thoughts would appreciate. 

[Ootohere]

More smiles per miles with 2 pedals.  Pumping a left foot up and down to operate a clutch is pointless in this day and age IMO.

Best go test drive some other car with a Diesel & DSG and see what you think.