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I do agree it's an extra half tonne over the golf, but this one had pretty small discs at the front and what looked like (but may not be) drums at the back. We are comparing against other EV, but we have a couple more to try, so will be able to compare there.

Question is, who would be co-driver for the team? Obviously Mil would be overtake like a king in the 2.0 fabia

Sadly I'm not kidding when I said i felt sea sick

Was that 0.2mm out of spec before or after Verstappen touched it in park ferme?

No, I will admit we didn't as it was a test drive. It would have accounted for the general wobblyness of the feel, but I am not sure it would account for what felt like an underdamped/sprung car under breaking. As the ID3 is aimed more at a city car than a motorway cruiser, I can only think (and could be wrong) that the suspension has been left a bit softer to soak up the bad roads for the high weight. However when you get onto a DC and have to brake hard, the car literally rocked forward then back on stopping like a rocking horse. Interesting to read that, I might see if I can hunt out a max as that was one of the ones we were considering along with the tour. This one wasn't a tour, it was a standard range model. I imagine it didn't help that we've also had a drive of a few others, including the EV6 before hand. Comparing an ID3 to an EV6 and iPace isn't really fair. From the two replied above it does sound like something was not right with the one we drove.

PHEV should really be confined to 3.5kWh or 7kWh chargers as they just don't need anything faster, plus there should be a 1 hour time cap. The battery is likely in the region of 10-20kwH and even though it might be empty the car can move without it I really think anything faster should have a time cap for EV and a very short/more expensive tarrif for PHEV. Whilst I don't have an electric, we see cars in shopping centres plugged in when you arrive and 4 hours later they're still plugged in. Some poor sod in an electric car is looking for a charging point and actually needs it.

We've just driven an ID3 and I have to say, it's the worst "new" car I think I've ever driven if you want to take it out of the city. The suspension left us feeling sea sick as it really struggled to controll the weight of the vehicle, particularly when coming to a reasonably abrupt (but not full) stop. Has the dealer failed to do something/are there options for better suspension or is this a typical setup? SWMBO thought it didn't brake well (She wasn't wrong compared to others), dislike the suspnesion (If I'm honest I didn't believe her until I drove it) and hated the touch screen as she felt it was dangerous. There were too many presses and too much having to look to turn on/off normal features, particularly the I'm going to try and slam you into the debris at the side of the road "lane assist"

There is cleaning of the tanks periodically at least and when times are tight I imagine some skip or extend this out. On an older car I did the fuel filter and found what appered to be sand on the dirty side of the filter along with a very black filter. Admitedly this was a diesel, but even so. My only worry would be a £75 fitted fuel filter issue could quickly turn into a £300+ fitted fuel pump issue. Then again I am very skeptical of anything that claims it's for life.

I think that’s exactly my issue. Fuel quality is generally good, but it only takes one trip to a petrol station which doesn’t maintain its tanks as well as you’d like. These exist in the UK and Europe, and whilst they’re rare I imagine it would mean new pump unit not just an external filter. If the filter is just integrated but can be cleaned/replaced that’s a different story.

Lifetime filter... Sounds nasty.

I'd put it all on the comparison sites, it looks like I will have to do some more digging.

I hear you George... I actually phone up the insurance and found similar across all models I asked about. Kia EV6, Hyundai Ionic 5, VW ID4, Volvo XC40 Recharge, Skoda Enyaq (All long range versions mind). I guess it's just a case of sucking it up or finding an EV that works on that front.

Just seen that supermarket branded insurance quote on the EV...

I'm old enough now that a diesel costs £250-300 and an EV was £350 if you were lucky, but more like £550-600. These are prices for long range EV. What I found interesting was that the excess on EV was more like £250-400 mandatory excess vs £0-£100 on a diesel. Interesting, we're driving an ID3 shortly so shall compare, but anything on the longer range or AWD bracket seems to jack the prices up high. Was it an ID4 max or just an ID4 with the standard battery if you don't mind me asking?

Which was held in an unpressureised, essentially open tank made of fabric. As opposed to double walled, resilliant tanks with suitable pressure release valves and consideration of the problem due to the above. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/video/viral/fire-bursts-out-of-car-when-motorist-fills-it-up-with-petrol-in-central-china/vi-BB1cX25N Because no petrol car ever caught fire....

The sad thing about the 69p per kWh is that that's about £20 more than buying diesel for the same range (at only 50mpg and £1.40/l). Of course if the over range journeys are not too much and you can charge cheaply at home at a lower rate, then it's still going to work out in your favour due to tax, ULEZ etc. Insurance is a sore one though as EV insurance is a lot more than a diesel/petrol equivalent. Add in the high purchase/lease prices and it's not clear cut. I'd say it's getting there, but not there yet. I can see a future of short range (Sub 300 mile) vehicles are battery and HGV, Vans and longer range cars are hydrogen Fuel Cell. Bit like the early days of diesel you'll have to fill up and the firty pump, outside away from the cover etc

EV is the Kia EV6 with the 320 mile range . The 18 minutes is I think from 10-80%, (using a >=250kW high power charger) so that's enough to get you well on your way over a quick stretch and a bathroom break at the services. On a 150, I guess it's going to take 30 minutes for similar, but you know still enough if you're pulling in around 20%, adding 60% then going along again. Of course the problems are the lack of the highest power chargers and the high cost of the vehicles is a big problem (It's around 50k, which is too much for a family car for most people.)

To be honest a range of 320 miles and a charge time as little as 18 minutes is here. The chargers need to improve, but it's not a million miles away. How you get all the batteries, then recycle them, then make the cars affordable however....

No more than a car full of petrol and brake fluid. If there's an event that pierces the tank, then it will very quickly vent and be gone, as opposed to petrol/brake fluid that sit around and burn like nobodies business. At least it would be quick in the event it did go up vs being burnt alive in a petrol fire.

I drove one a couple of weeks back. They just gave us the keys and let us have it. Got a couple more to drive next week but I’ll put comments up once I can compare a few EV. General so far, good but a few odd/niggly bits.

Quite…. TBH EV weigh loads and comparing a 208 to an SUV is a bit of a joke. The lithium and cobalt in batteries is horrible for both the planet and people. Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles would probably be better in terms of weight etc, especially when full of fuel 😂😂 So why am I considering one? Too many ULEZ in the places we go combined with plenty of 1mile journeys for SWMBO.

Just because there is electric everywhere... Doesn't mean you can charge at a usable speed off it. Out in the town and country (Eg away from big cities with better transport links already), it's charge at home or the motorway network, with an occasional charger at a supermarket/hotel if you're lucky. EV wise, it's definately only going to be one car of two that goes that route, with the other going diesel and either FWD or AWD. No chance whatsoever you could give up ICE totally here.

Plus I'm sure they'll find a way to charge BIK on it too.

That's really good, as long as you have redundant everything in the central cab, plus a pair of cabs each sharing half the chargers. Otherwise you basically end up with nothing if the control logic in the central cab fails...

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