Here here! The more I read this forum the more crap I see being stated as gospel truth, it's good to see someone else who can be arsed to correct people

It is "Hear hear!"

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I don't think Audi will let SEAT "borrow" the Quattro system. AFAIK its an Audi trademarked system.

Think this Exeo will pee a few A4 owners off though!!

Doest the Altrea Freetrak not use the quattro Haldex 4wd arrangement?

Has anyone actually seen a Freetrak in the flesh?

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Just bothered to read past sisko's post i see he already stands corrected!!

Has anyone actually seen a Freetrak in the flesh?

Twice! Both times at the dealers

Twice! Both times at the dealers

You would think that SEAT would have looked at Renault and how 'popular' the Scenic RX4 was before launching the Free Track.

SEAT can do great looking cars, the current Leon, previous Leon and the new Ibiza are good looking cars IMO. But then they came up with the Toledo in 2004 which looked like another Renault - (Epic failure) The Vel Satis & Similar to the Avantime.

Ok the new Exeo is a more than obvious Audi A4 with some subtle cosmetic changes, but I think it works. I guess they didnt have much design budget money left after some of their recent ventures....Altea XL, & Free Track.

The Exeo is now on the spanish Seat configurator.

The sport version with a diesel 170CR with no options is 28,500 euros, that works out at just under 27 grand! Obviously it's not going to be a straight conversion once the car is released but you can get a current shape S-Line 170 A4 for around that.

Choices choices for my next new car, Superb, Exeo, Navara (would my cc budget stretch to a diesel TT )

How much :eek:

Can't see it selling at that price in the UK. £20K list and yours for £17K maybe.

Torsen is also bought in, it is not Audi technology. quattro as we know it today is not what Audi originally released as quattro back in the day. Ur quattro owners can testify that.

Show me the supplier of the torsen "quattro" ? It is Audi and always has been. Haldex is swedish and can be found in fords and volvos amongst overs.

Show me the supplier of the torsen "quattro" ? It is Audi and always has been. Haldex is swedish and can be found in fords and volvos amongst overs.

First result in Google:

The ONLY Official TORSEN Home Page!

Torsen differentials are used by many many manufacturers, not just Audi.

From the wiki page: Torsen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Torsen applications

[edit] Center

• Alfa Romeo: 156 Crosswagon & Sportwagon, 159, Brera & Spider Q4
  
• quattro versions of Audi:
  
  • Audi Quattro
    
  • Audi 80 & 90, Audi S2 & RS2, Audi RS2 Avant
    
  • Audi 100 / Audi 200 / Audi 5000
    
  • Audi Coupé quattro
    
  • Audi A4, Audi S4, Audi RS4
    
  • Audi A5 & S5
    
  • Audi A6, Audi S6, Audi RS6
    
  • Audi A8, Audi S8
    
  • A6 allroad quattro
    
  • Audi Q7
    
  • Audi R8
    
  • Audi V8 (manual transmission)
    

  [*]Chevrolet TrailBlazer SS

  [*]Lexus GX 470, LS 600h / LS 600h L

  [*]Range Rover L322

  [*]Toyota: 4runner, FJ Cruiser (only manual models)

  [*]Volkswagen Passat (badged as 4motion) (B5 platform)

[edit] Center and rear

• Audi V8 with manual transmission
  

[edit] Front and rear axles

• HMMWV or Humvee
  
• Subaru Impreza STI
  

[edit] Front axle only

• Honda/Acura Integra Type R
  
• Alfa Romeo: GT, 147 Q2
  
• Honda Civic Si (06-current)
  
• Honda Civic vti 1.8
  
• Ford Focus RS
  
• Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec-V
  
• Oldsmobile Calais W41 (7 cars equipped from the factory, C41 option code)
  
• Oldsmobile Achieva W41 (7-10 cars equipped from the factory, C41 option code)
  
• Rover 200 Coupe Turbo, 200 BRM/LE, 220 Turbo , 420 Turbo , 620 Ti , 820 Vitesse (200PS version only)
  
• Mazdaspeed 3
  
• Honda Accord Type R
  

[edit] Rear axle only

• Audi V8 with automatic transmission
  
• Alfa Romeo: 155 Q4, 164 Q4
  
• Citroen BX 4x4 with ABS
  
• Ford FX4
  
• Honda S2000
  
• Hyundai Genesis Coupe
  
• Lancia Delta Integrale
  
• Lexus IS300
  
• Mazda: Miata/MX-5 ('94+ manual models), RX-7, RX-8
  
• Peugeot 405 4x4 with ABS (same as Citroen BX 4x4)
  
• Subaru Impreza WRX STI (2007)
  
• Toyota Supra, Toyota Soarer, Toyota Aristo, Toyota Mark II, Toyota Chaser, Toyota Cresta, Toyota Verossa
  
• Pontiac Firebird 4th Generation, only years 1999-2002
  
• Chevrolet Camaro 4th Generation, only years 1999-2002
  

Sorry

Yaaay.. i got a torsen

So shark_90 explain to me why Audi have a european patient for it ?

Could you show me the patent? quattro is a trademark however (as I have quite clearly displayed) Torsen is a bought in unit. If Audi have a european patent for it then it may be because US and European patents are seperate (I don't know anything about patents really) but either way it came from Gleason.

Or are you still disputing that?

Or are you still disputing that?

perhaps his pride is hurt?

well just to twist the knife...... Torsen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just trying to clarify why Audi say different on their factory tour.....

Pride has nothing to do with it. If my understanding of it is wrong then fair enough I'll stand up and say so. I'm only going by what Audi reps at a factory tour have explained to me.

Oh and the torsen diff is just one componet of Audi's 4wd system known as quattro.

LOL...... just done some digging and Audi have a very large financial stake in Torsen...... very much like Porcshe and VW.

Edited 24 December, 200817 yr by auroan

Just trying to clarify why Audi say different on their factory tour......

Because they are salesmen effectively and they are telling you what you want to hear as an Audi fan.

I think the estate version will be a big seller in the UK. I'd even consider one of these in 170BHP form!

Have you lost your eyesight man? Look at the front of it!!

I thought Torsen was a type of differential rather than a brand, much like viscous etc.

Oh and you wont get a DSG option, they only do that transverse (aside from the Veyron).

The Exeo is now on the spanish Seat configurator.

The sport version with a diesel 170CR with no options is 28,500 euros, that works out at just under 27 grand! Obviously it's not going to be a straight conversion once the car is released but you can get a current shape S-Line 170 A4 for around that.

Choices choices for my next new car, Superb, Exeo, Navara (would my cc budget stretch to a diesel TT )

I can get the Exeo Sport TDI 143PS on our car scheme for £120 a month, and the Exeo SE for £118. I'm currently paying £117 for my Octavia VRS TDI 170PS, so by my calculations the Exeo is going to be retailing at about £18,500 - £19,000, for the 2.0 TDI 143.

That is a lot of money in my opinion however Seat are not a sub brand. But I don't know.. the Exeo isn't fooling anyone about it's roots (they've hardly spent a lot of time redesigning it have they?) and with so little spent in development I would have thought they could knock these out a bit cheaper.

That is a lot of money in my opinion however Seat are not a sub brand. But I don't know.. the Exeo isn't fooling anyone about it's roots (they've hardly spent a lot of time redesigning it have they?) and with so little spent in development I would have thought they could knock these out a bit cheaper.

Although Audi had spent the money on the development, the A4 was priced around £4,500 - £5,000 more, than the Exeo is being offered at!

Although Audi had spent the money on the development, the A4 was priced around £4,500 - £5,000 more, than the Exeo is being offered at!

And Audi would of more than recovered that cost during the lifetime of the model...

Although Audi had spent the money on the development, the A4 was priced around £4,500 - £5,000 more, than the Exeo is being offered at!

Well it's not possible to see B7 A4 new prices now but if the Exeo 2.0TDi Sport is coming out at £18,500 - 19,000 I'm not sure a B7 2.0TDi S-line was £23,000 especially at end of life?

Well it's not possible to see B7 A4 new prices now but if the Exeo 2.0TDi Sport is coming out at £18,500 - 19,000 I'm not sure a B7 2.0TDi S-line was £23,000 especially at end of life?

My boss has a 2.0 TDi S-Line 140 on a 56 plate and i'm fairly sure his P11D value is around £24,000 it has next to no options either.

I thought Torsen was a type of differential rather than a brand, much like viscous etc.

Yeah, shortened from TORque SENsing. VAG may have an exclusive licence for using the technology in Europe, but I'd doubt that since Ford, Austin-Rover (or whatever) and I think Vauxhall have all used Torsen diffs.

My boss has a 2.0 TDi S-Line 140 on a 56 plate and i'm fairly sure his P11D value is around £24,000 it has next to no options either.

The P11D value on my MG ZS diesel was £17,600 but I don't think for a second that's what the lease company paid for it

Well it's not possible to see B7 A4 new prices now but if the Exeo 2.0TDi Sport is coming out at £18,500 - 19,000 I'm not sure a B7 2.0TDi S-line was £23,000 especially at end of life?

I think they were about £22,695 something like that. I had the B7 2.0T FSI S-Line SE on a 57 Plate that was about £25,500.