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My first non performance purchase.....Bolero, non Nav version with 6 disc changer and SD card slot. Got it for a bargain price second hand.

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Are you back in the UK and tinkering? :)

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nope, another 47 days (not that im counting) I bought it from Alex @ AKS tuning.

Coincidently, we have just found out the bolero wont fit because of the trims, so........ive bought a Columbus NAV version off him instead.

Oh and something more performance orientated, ive also bought one of these

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I thought all the units were interchangeable, as they come with the appropriate trim? Or am I barking up the wrong tree here?

Please let us know handling performance difference after ARBs are installed compared to stock :).

Have APR finished tweaking your maps?

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from what i gather, the bolero was never offered in the Fabia, as such a trim doesnt exist to fit the dash. No worries though, i now have a NAV columbus system instead which is much better. Just so happens i got that at an absolute steal as well ;)

H&R apparently have both front and rear ARBs available for the Fabia/Polo chassis now, but im not hugely fussed about fitting the front bar, the biggest improvement should be the rear bar. Im sure i could speak to Alex who is supplying it and arrange a group buy if people are interested. might even save me some money on it as well!!

Regarding software, i think the calibrators will be making a start on mine in about a weeks time. They have 3 stage 3+ big turbo 2.0TFSI cars to test new parts/software on, 2 x 600Hp+ stage 3 2.5TFSI TTRS's to sort out as well, so my measly 250hp Skoda Golf Cart is probably low on their radar in the grand scheme of things lol.

From what i gather, APR will not be offering this turbo as part of any package for this engine, but are under contract with LOBA to develop it on my car, so will continue to do so until it is complete.

On a plus note, my car will be one of a kind!!!

600hp - hell of a daily driver lol

I was wondering, since you done all those upgrades, would it be possible (could you be bothered) to make like table/list of different mods together with their prices and power/driveability gains attained? I know yours is a development donor car for a tuning firm so you were not charged commercial rates (if at all) so I suppose it would involve some ferreting around for prices. This could serve as an excellent guide to Fabia II vRS 1.4TSi performance mods options.

Just an idea I thought i'd float.

If you can't be ar$ed fair enough :)

Cheers

Jabo

I thought all the units were interchangeable, as they come with the appropriate trim? Or am I barking up the wrong tree here?

There are two different shape media/radio systems. You get the trim to match for a Yeti/Octy/Superb.

The Fabia only has a hole, so it only takes one of the two shapes.

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I was wondering, since you done all those upgrades, would it be possible (could you be bothered) to make like table/list of different mods together with their prices and power/driveability gains attained?

Cheers

Jabo

Obviously i have got my stuff at a very good rate, but I'll give some ball park prices on what they should cost if you like.

Remap

Shark Performance stage 2 remap (price approx £500) stock to stage 2 remap with a Decat OEM downpipe (£60). Gains of 30hp peak, with midrange gains of 50Hp/80lbft@3500 rpm. Massive midrange performance, definitely stronger than REVO equivalent software when run side by side. Ran more boost than competitors maps.

Jabbasport custom Stage 2 remap(price Approx £400) Made slightly more peak power than the shark map when running the Pace Intercooler/radiator(£1200), with slightly less midrange performance due to the reduced boost(0.3 bar less) Had a linear throttle map was was an absolute dream to live with.

APR BETA Stage 3 file(price - Not sure, it might not even get released) Currently work in progress. Due to a misfire issue a high boost, ive only tried it on a low boost setup of 1.48Bar peak, which gave 251Hp. Really really smooth power delivery, and really string top end.

Hardware

Pace products Intercooler/radiator(Priced approx £1200) Needed an intercooler due to really high IATs/heatsoak when running the Shark remap. Dropped water temps and IATs approx 30degrees when compared to previous on track logs. Intercooler is a definite must have IMO.

Forge Intake(priced approx £160) Bought it and later sold it after i found it gave no performance gain on my car. 2 tuners commented that they believed the intake was strangling power at stage 1 outputs.

VWR(ITG) intake -Polo GTI version (Priced approx £280) Sounds great, with noticable gains in the midrange +10hp with approx 5hp peak gain.

decat OEM downpipe (Price approx £60) stock downpipe with catalytic converter removed. Gave the same performance gain as a 200cell miltek downpipe but at £500 less.

Miltek 200 Cell downpipe(Price approx £600) No performance gain over the decat OEM downpipe, but big increase in exhaust noise. Sounds phenomenal.

VWR Springs (Priced approx £160 lowered approx 30-40 mm(cant remember) reduced body roll and weight transfer substantially, ride comfort hardly changed. Impressed so far.

Tarox 6 pot 323mm big brake kit (Price approx £1200) My joint favourite modification. Awesome pedal feel, and phenominal stopping power, no noise, no jerkyness. And they look the nuts.

Super Pro poly bushes (Priced approx £300 fitted) Full chassis setup including the additional castor front bushes. My other joint favourite mod. So much less slop in the steering, so much more feel to the steering. Id definitely recommend these to others as an early mod.

LOBA LO270 hybrid turbo(Price approx £2300) Gives a potential 270hp with all the supporting mods, but potentially limited by the engines known misfire issues. Lack of software on the market for the turbo.

Okada coilpacks[Priced approx £500) Didnt solve the high boost misfire, however got rid of all other lower boost misfires. Not really worth the full price. Great for a second hand buy though.

Mods to come

Devils own water methonal injection, engine mounts, H&R RARB, and some other stuff.

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Couple pics of the Water meth install

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Well i've been looking at the technical manual for this engine on page 20 http://www.volkspage.net/technik/ssp/ssp/SSP_359.pdf

It looks like they have chosen the injection point post turbo, but pre intercooler. Normally the injection point is post intercooler, so im doing a bit of research into whether this will work or not.

I guess you never know, maybe the logs will show it works very well...

All the best mate. I really hope it works :thumbup:

Hey,

I have been looking on your project car for quite a while now. You have done a really nice work and gave ultra attention to weight.

Water-Methanol injection is very important block in the build of a highly boosted car. My take on this technology is that all the systems representing it are almost constant flow system. Internal combustion engines are far from being constant flow systems and that creates challenges mapping the car. Remember, you need 10-15% of the fuel mass going to the engine in water supply into the combustion chamber.

The norm of installing water injection is to put it post or prior to intercooler but the optimal layout, according to what I read and what racers do, is to have 2 nozzle. One nozzle is installed before the intercooler and one installed after.

If your system supports one nozzle they you have two options. Either cool the charge more by putting the nozzle before the intercooler which means most of the mist going to change to water vapour by the time it reaches the combustion chamber, or to have it after which means you have a less cooling effect but the water mist would flash to vapour inside the combustion chamber giving you extra power. Also, water mist inside the intercooler would create a higher pressure drop but it would increase its efficiency.

Good luck :)

Couple pics of the Water meth install

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When will you be roling it to see the effects?

Do I spy few botles of lube in that boot ?

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yep, theres an unused litre of oil and a pair of Kids size 10 rock climbing shoes lol

Ive got another 5 weeks until i get to touch UK soil again. Probably another week ontop of that before i pick up the car

Great. I am curious how this placement of the WMI nozzle is going to work. Remember me posting about it here some time ago :).

I hope the charge temps will go down nicely and pressure will not drop too much. 250bhp easy!

By the time you get back I should be a happy owner of a brand new Black Fabia vRS !

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Great. I am curious how this placement of the WMI nozzle is going to work. Remember me posting about it here some time ago :).

I hope the charge temps will go down nicely and pressure will not drop too much. 250bhp easy!

By the time you get back I should be a happy owner of a brand new Black Fabia vRS !

Im already above 250hp before the WMI and with only 1.4bar of boost and no water meth.

I thought you had to go down on power due to misfire issues?

Dammit, you will be knocking on 300bh before we know it and provided misfires are sorted !

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I thought you had to go down on power due to misfire issues?

Dammit, you will be knocking on 300bhp before we know it and provided misfires are sorted !

No, its the other way around. The misfires occur at high boost only, hence why boost was wound down until a solution was found. hence 251hp at just under 1.5bar boost. During testing boost was upto 1.8bar!! although im not sure what the final map will be at.Id like to have it running approx 260-270hp tbh. I'm wary of going higher and not being able to get any tractability. At the moment, excluding the traffic light gran prix, its pretty tractable.

Yes, that is what I meant, you couldn't go full boost due to misfires hence not at full power.

Was the cause of misfires found, what was it and what id they do to fix it?

How much boost your LOBA can supply?

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Yes, that is what I meant, you couldn't go full boost due to misfires hence not at full power.

Was the cause of misfires found, what was it and what id they do to fix it?

How much boost your LOBA can supply?

I think it can maintain about 2 bar before the waste gate dutycycle starts to drop which is way more than what i will be running. No idea on the misfire front.Back onto the WMI. The images above with the blue hoses are vacuum lines. APR have installed it as per DO instructions post IC1.4Tsi%2520meth%2520injector.pngSo it wasnt pre-intercooler after all

I think this is a much better location!

Running turbo under the max performance is always a good idea, less heat load less likelihood of failure.

if you were to add nitrious.. would you do it at the same location? or am i barking up a different tree?

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if you were to add nitrious.. would you do it at the same location? or am i barking up a different tree?

no idea, but i wont be doing that lol. If was confident that this engine was a little more reliable i could maybe consider something small, maybe a 25hp injector.

A 25 Hp shot would be interesting provided you only injected it above 5000rpm. Below that you'll be increasing peak torque to much and its torque which bends and melts internals, plus i think clutch wear, traction and general issues galore will haunt you. Plus limiting it to inject only after 5 k means you would have a practically flat torque curve.

I remember seeing hurdys Ed30 golf when when the crazy git put a 100Hp shot of nitrous on it. The in the whole power band was savage as you can see in his dyno grpah below, obviously he started injecting alot earlier, but it showsthat the 100hp shot of nitrous also gives around same if not more gain in torque!!

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You would inject a single port nitrous nozzle close to the throttle body , the further away from the engine you inject the nitrous the more likely that the fuel will "drop out" of the nitrous stream and not burn properly

thats a huge difference! iv always wanted a car that could run nitro just for the novelty of it.

with all the heat issues on these cars i wouldnt do it to mines personally but it would be sweet.

with nitro i just had an idea that it was fired in a really fine vapour so if it was added it could be after the intercooler and it'll be mixed fine with the air.

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