Wind Power to the rescue

[KenONeill]

4 hours ago, PetrolDave said:

A few years ago we stayed in a gite in Normandy which was about 2 miles from a single wind turbine.

 

By day you could hear nothing, but when trying to get to sleep laying down in bed with your head on the pillow you could hear/feel a low frequency sound/vibration which made getting to sleep quite difficult. So why am I linking this to the wind turbine? Because on the (unusual) night when there was no wind and the turbine could be seen to be stationary the sound/vibration wasn't there.

 

So from personal experience whilst I'm in favour of onshore wind turbines (with battery storage backup for the non windy days) I'm also in favour of the locations being carefully chosen after surveys determine that the risk of ground vibration being felt at residential properties is extremely low (either that or planning/operating conditions being imposed that prohibit overnight operation).

On which general subject, I could hear, but not feel, one near my home in the Western Isles, something like 150m ground range away.

[Ootohere]

6 years old.

 

 

2 Years ago.

  For all our benefit....  Just power poles like there are everyplace.

Balmoral Estate.  National Park, 

Royal Residences nearby, and  owned by The Queens & Prince Charles, Now King Charles.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So the National Grid is taking the pith with pylons across peoples land and how the owners are treated.

When the NG get it badly wrong and land owners want what is due to them they get the 'See you in court'.

This is the big not British Owned Corporation that is the tail that wags the dog.

 

Dr Liam Fox MP has been calling them out.  (Someone rattled his cage, he is usually in with the big money.)

So working for his constituents.  The people that keep electing / sponsoring / & donating to his office.

He has been involved with the issue for over a decade.

http://liamfox.co.uk/news/mps-debate-national-grid-pylon-plans

 

 

'The Electricity and Gas Transmission (Compensation) Bill.

http://thenational.scot/news/23149911.landowners-need-protection-powerful-multinational-companies

 

.......................

12 months ago. A different PM, and government back then.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/business-59212983

 

So now November 2022 Grant Shapps MP has been delayed on any further announcements on the Small Nuclear Reactor plants / pocket fillers that Boris, Jacob, IDS and others are so keen on to boost Rolls Royce's wealth and quite likely their own. 

 

Why is getting funding such an issue when the plans are Energy Security and making profits. 

Obviously the UK's Energy Security requires the money to come from Oil Wealth Funds from Oil & Gas producing countries. 

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/uk-nuclear-power-plant-net-zero-hfgwvskj8

 

 

Expect there to be pylons coming from these SNP's, so just accept that or the land will be needing dug up and the cables put in.

Right through the MP's constituents land then. 

So as long as there is fair compensation for them and cheaper energy for all then great.     'Flying pigs'. 

 

Simples,

Build them on land owned by the Military so the Tax Payers, & NT Property, Large Private Estates that are assisted with UK Tax Payer funding and the Crown Estate land. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 26 November, 2022 by toot

[@Lee]

Onshore wind. Most people want it but just not in their back yard. I'll save my thoughts on Graham Gidgin. 
 

 

 

[VWD]

Now, if only we could find some way of utilising all that hot air from HoC/ HoL and every political chamber in the land.

[@Lee]

Quote

The UK has broken its record for wind power generation, as blustery conditions and a growing number of turbines enable renewable energy sources to provide more than half the country’s electricity. National Grid Electricity System Operator on Wednesday said the country had generated record wind-powered electricity at one point on Tuesday, with provisional data showing a “max wind generation record” exceeding 21.6 gigawatts. UK demand on Wednesday lunchtime was about 35GW.

I guess more turbines would equal more power from them.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/ce21ae61-5824-47fa-8f96-2aaf96ad58ec?fbclid=IwAR3jImYqRKViWWRnfrBEv8JI_sN_ACaEc6VcsdIDdfe0NzZxF3tU7Qz6kY0

 

[Ootohere]

The Scottish Herald 'or the 'Herald Scotland' had an article.  I might be able to link.

EDIT.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/homenews/23238220.windfarms-receive-227million-subsides-switch-off

That is to look like the First Minister thinks it is funny that there is a crap infrastructure IMO.  The Herald do hate the SNP. 

 

It looks like basically Wind Turbines were being turned off because it was too windy and we are paying to not generate electricity.

 

Many might have stopped reading at that point and then repeated that.

Actually it was that there was so much wind and so much energy being produced that there was no way it could be used or stored and this is the issue.

 

So the Prime Minister is in Scotland meeting the First Minister of Scotland in the Highlands, lots to discuss.

 

B******s, it is Green Freeports that are being revealed, 2 of them and one where the Hydrogen will be getting produced. 

Plenty wind, and no storage facilities means that producing Hydrogen makes total sense. 

 

Feeding their greedy faces with food, not much talking.  On the Gravy Train for today with all the hangers on and worthies.

Filling the pockets of the backers or donors.

 

I would like to see Nicola Sturgeon MSP / FM getting to the North in an EV and using public chargers, along with the Co-Leaders of the Scottish Greens.

Or maybe they could cycle up the A9.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-64247552

 

 

 

Edited 12 January, 2023 by toot

[Ootohere]

It is good that KC3 is being generous with money that his mother and the rest of the extended family should never of had to fund their various estates and properties for decades. 

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64319323

 

[@Lee]

It would seem wind power isn't coming to the rescue after all. At least not in the UK. No energy companies have submitted bids in the offshore wind auction.
Maybe they'd prefer onshore?
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/sep/07/suank-offshore-wind-auction-bidders-government-energy-bills

 

An amazing figure but since being invaded by Russia, Ukraine has added 114 times more onshore wind power than the UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/may/28/ukraine-built-more-onshore-wind-turbines-last-year-than-england

Get them built. It doesn't matter in who's back yard just get them built for energy security.

[Ootohere]

You need to listen to those that understand how the UK Government have messed up this auction.

 

On Sky Keith Anderson the Chief Executive of Scottish Power explained it and suggested what needs doing before the auction next spring.

 

.......................

If the electricity generated now or that can be from Offshore Wind in Scottish waters or even that from on-shore wind was all being used that would be simply clever.

[lol-lol]

We will be able to get 1.4 GW from Denmark as well as Norway now we have interconnectors from both.

[Ootohere]

The UK Government are really not all about Energy Security or the drive to Net Zero and Green Projects.   

Well unless it might be Hydrogen Projects with the Conservative & Unionists biggest party donor & involves giving Tax Payers money to their families projects..

(Producing Hydrogen requires lots of electricity, but then that can just be bought from overseas as far as the UK Government are concerned who would want to take it from the border area between Scotland and England?)

 

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-66939029

 

 

 

Edited 28 September, 2023 by toot

[@Lee]

That's quite a figure

"Each rotation of the 107m (351ft) long blades on Dogger Bank's first operational turbine can produce enough clean energy to power an average British home for two days, SSE Renewables said."

 

Now get some more onshore built maybe and charge those EVs. Maybe some battery storage to store a few days worth from a couple of rotations. Are storage heaters still a thing 🤔 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-humber-67060017

Edited 10 October, 2023 by @Lee

[J.R.]

34 minutes ago, @Lee said:

Are storage heaters still a thing 🤔

 

Yes I have them in my apartment at the hôtel, barely viable now the off peak rate has nowhere near the saving it once had plus standing charge increased and having to pay 1ct per kwh extra for the leccy units the other 18 hours a day.

 

The reversible aircon costs less for heating until the temp drops and you really need it, lots of waste with storage heating as you are having to guess 24 hours ahead, you either end up supplementing it with the aircon heating which is not so bad or have to open doors and windows to let out excess heat on a warm day which is very bad.

 

It works OK and is viable in the height of winter but is a pain in autumn and spring, I've installed electric UFH since then, some 15 years now.

[@Lee]

3 minutes ago, J.R. said:

It works OK and is viable in the height of winter but is a pain in autumn and spring, I've installed electric UFH since then, some 15 years now.

 

Yes that's how I remember them from a rental I was in some years ago and the same in my dad's HA flat. I seem to remember his were replaced with newer versions and they were more controllable but maybe not.

I was wondering if the tech had moved on as yes, a right PITA having to let heat out and guessing just how long you need to leave the windows open.

Always had a bowl of water on them as it was a very dry heat which didn't agree with my throat. 

[Ootohere]

Hydrogen from wind power.

http://kintorehydrogen.co.uk

 

 

 

 

The Extended SubStation @ Kintore is to transmit power (South)  first to Tealing via another Substation yet to start being built near Fordoun & on the new larger pylons who,s route has not yet been approved and which has many objections to.

The renewables generated electricity needs to go someplace and it might as well be producing hydrogen and also reducing the cost of electricity to those in Scotland where there is so much being generated yet at present is some of the most expensive in the UK.

 

 

Edited 25 October, 2023 by Rooted

[lol-lol]

Windless here in Worcestercestishire but obviously windy somewhere, North sea as there is nearly 40% of the UK's current near 30 GW is coming from Wind ie 11 GW ie well over third coming from Wind, 8% from solar, 12% form the French interconnector and 16% from nuclear so more than three quarters from non carbon sources. 

 

 https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

 

[Ootohere]

Planning approval has been given for the Low Emissions Transport hub in Perth. It involves lot of new houses, 1,500. EV charger ready, cycling links and the usual jazz that has only anything to do with Green Transport if house buyers have EV,s and bikes.   But there is to be the Industrial part.  Hydrogen refueling for light and heavy vehicles, EV charging and whatever they can come up with as far as getting goods delivered by low emission vehicles.     As usual the thing is it is so good agricultural land that will be used and no place near a railway line or harbour.   So road transport at an already very busy area for traffic and where delays are more and more common from flooding.  Always the houses, but houses are needed.   Why is green industry and technology never viable as developments without the houses though.  Housing that probably would not get the go ahead without the kidology of being good for the environment.  

 

EDIT.

http://heraldscotland.com/news/23906048.scotland-homes-perth-housing-transport-hub-approved

 

PS

Edit.  Greenwashing!

http://theferret.scot/partner-government-climate-scheme-shares-big-oil

 

 

 

Edited 9 November, 2023 by Rooted

[Breezy_Pete]

Hope this turns out to not be vapourware.

Have always thought that the present technology looks horribly expensive and carbon-costy to build/install/maintain.

 

 

Apologies if discussed previously.

[Ootohere]

This will become a very big story, but so far it seems to not be fully understood by those that should.

This is not going to end well.

 

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-67497023

 

So much for Rishi Sunak MP / PM and new oil licences for the North Sea and energy security for the UK and use what we have rather than import.

 

Sir Jim Ratcliffe & China,s State owned  Petroineos intend closing the Oil Refinery at  Grangemouth in under 2 years.

Scotland only Oil Refinery and Cracking Plant and at the end of the Forties Oil Pipeline from the North Sea which Ineos bought a few years back but is reaching end of life and needs replacing.

 

So Petroineos intend converting Grangemouth to being a 'Fuels Import Terminal'. 

So a 'Storage Terminal'. 

There will be Cross Country Pipelines.   Owned by the partners in the China State Owned Petroines.

Edited 23 November, 2023 by Rooted

[Ootohere]

From an article in the Press & Journal there are figures from the Renewable Energy Foundation (REF)

 

£275.3 Million was paid to keep wind turbines still in Scotland in 2023. To 86 Generators or non generators in Scotland.

In the Highlands it was £67.8 million across 22 sites.

Stronlairg wind farm near Fort Augustus received nearly £11.6 million.

 

This was part of the total for the UK to not generate electricity of £307.2 million.  

 

 

 

 

Edited 4 March by Rooted

[Ootohere]

Fag packet Man, woman, child maths. Less than 6 million people in Scotland but we must mistrust that as maybe Liz Truss or Kwazi did the count.   But anyway, £275.3 million divided by 6 million and near £46 a head in 2023 for wind turbines to not generate electricity.      It is bill payers and tax payers and customers around the UK paying out though.   But there is how much is granted, gifted, assisted in the first place to build the Wind Farms, tax breaks etc, and how much profits are made from generating electricity.     It is the goose that keeps on laying golden eggs.   But then so are Coal, oil, gas, hydro and diesel power plants and the nuclear.   They all get paid to be on stand by or to not generate.   There is not enough storage facilities or use for the electricity that can be produced, even the cheapest of it.  Not the facilities to produce hydrogen from what there can be produced.  

Edited 4 March by Rooted

[lol-lol]

1 hour ago, Rooted said:

Fag packet Man, woman, child maths. Less than 6 million people in Scotland but we must mistrust that as maybe Liz Truss or Kwazi did the count.   But anyway, £275.3 million divided by 6 million and near £46 a head in 2023 for wind turbines to not generate electricity.      It is bill payers and tax payers and customers around the UK paying out though.   But there is how much is granted, gifted, assisted in the first place to build the Wind Farms, tax breaks etc, and how much profits are made from generating electricity.     It is the goose that keeps on laying golden eggs.   But then so are Coal, oil, gas, hydro and diesel power plants and the nuclear.   They all get paid to be on stand by or to not generate.   There is not enough storage facilities or use for the electricity that can be produced, even the cheapest of it.  Not the facilities to produce hydrogen from what there can be produced.  

 

Thought the Scotland population must be going down, relatively as Scotland is to loose two seats at parliament to go down from 59 to 57 seats out of the 650 ?

 

England to gain ten seats, Wales to loose 8 seats and NI to stay the same.

 

:-J

 

[Ootohere]

Still too many then. 

Scottish Conservatives and Unionists think that can keep 6 seats and fight to gain 6 more.

Good luck with that.  

[lol-lol]

51 minutes ago, Rooted said:

Still too many then. 

Scottish Conservatives and Unionists think that can keep 6 seats and fight to gain 6 more.

Good luck with that.  

 

Jeremy the Hunt has just put 100k of his own money in to his reelection campaign.

 

Labour, and presumably the SNP, have about a tenth of the budget for ads, leaflets etc. 

I just bunged another £20 in the pot above my subs but the difference is massive sadly.

 

Not wind or desert power but money power.

 

 

Edited 4 March by lol-lol

[Ootohere]

Pin money, & easy when a millionaire and that is not even a years salary as a member of the cabinet / The Chancellor or the Exchequer. 

 

They earn all through their Parliamentary career, 

& Ex Chancellors can do very well.  

 

Liz Truss is on £115,000 a years for the rest of her life i read as a Prime Minister for 6 weeks.  

That will not be a fixed £115,000

Edited 4 March by Rooted