Just to add also, i got a £1000 more than 4 other dealers for my part ex for the condition of the car. They commented on how impressed and immaculate the car was.

Edited 12 August, 201312 yr by Rob-vrs21

I have worked hard to buy a £26,000 car and when its sat in the sun and the gloss black B pillars are full of swirls due to the dealers valeters id rather it not. So would prefer to do the protection process myself ...

A few layers of Swissvax Crystal Rock wax

...waits for the abuse

I managed to pick up a 3.0tdi Quattro sline with lots of kit for £33k less than a year old, much better deals now too.

I love mine, very quick and economy is better than the 2.0vw alot of the time

Just got beaten to one that I think I'd have bought.

It was a 12 plate A6 2.0 TDI 177 SE, about 6000 miles in a lovely pearl red with about £6 of options including sunroof, technology pack, 19" alloys, BOSE stereo and a few other bits and pieces for under £24k. That was a £37k car when new!

Sorry off topic lol

Just to add also, i got a £1000 more than 4 other dealers for my part ex for the condition of the car. They commented on how impressed and immaculate the car was.

 

But that just tells me that some dealers thought your car was worth more/less than the others? That's not a constant.

Sorry but a 25k car deserves as much attention as a £500 or £100,000 car if the owners feels that they have worked hard for the money to afford teh car and wants to have an asset that will hold its value better than a similar model of a similar age that hasnt been cared for, my dealer knows I am anal about the condition of my car, he knows its always A1 condition, and that reflects in the PX that is always offered to me, as well as the fact that they never look at my car at any point until they park the car up after its been traded in and paperwork signed etc, it always makes me laugh that people who dont give a toss about there car take it for trade in and when its valued they are surprised as its been 'classes' as poor condition, well if you dont want your car in 'poor' condition get of your arse and give it some love sometimes!

 

Skoda or not, every car deserves some love!!!

Mate i spent about two hours washing my car yesterday....i just happened to only wash it, leather it off and polish the front as it had flies glued to it......as it had done for the past two months or so. Looks like new again.

I meant no offense to anyone, just don't see the point myself on what is really just a nice but rather ordinary and run of the mill car. I love mine but its not a hugely expensive toy....its a family car that despite my efforts gets shiited up by my wife and son continually.

Anyway having a car you could eat your dinner off of come trade in means nothing to a dealer....that they can clean it up and stick it on the forecourt looking like new with minimal effort is the key thing.

I took my old Fabia vRS estate in caked in road grime, biscuit, dirt and evidence of a child seat having been in it.....ithink there was even still some token mud and dog hair in the bootbut it was all completely superficial....the car was immaculate underneath it all, I got extremely strong money for it (practically got my deposit back only 18months into a 36 month PCP) got listed as immaculate and sold within a week for only a couple of k less than i originally paid for it.

..so sorry I appreciate the passion but it has little or no effect on resale value.....you could pull it up in front of your TV and use the bonnet as a dinner plate though i suppose.

But that just tells me that some dealers thought your car was worth more/less than the others? That's not a constant.

Sorry, 3 offers were over the phone based on milage and me saying the condition and 1 where they didn't go and look at the car and offered me £13,000 - £13,500. Iv dealt at £14,500 for it .

Sorry, 3 offers were over the phone based on milage and me saying the condition and 1 where they didn't go and look at the car and offered me £13,000 - £13,500. Iv dealt at £14,500 for it .

Sorry, that's just usual dealer shenanigans. The dealer will give you what he thinks he needs to, to close the deal.

Sorry, that's just usual dealer shenanigans. The dealer will give you what he thinks he needs to, to close the deal.

Okay :) cant see a 12plate 20,000miler going for much nowadays

That is a shame to hear your experience.

 

My Blackline price brand new was £18,200 (including VAT off and £500 VW finance contribution) - equivalent Mark III VRS model including say 5% discount (to same as Blackline spec) £24,240....

 

Think I need to go and sit down now, am feeling a bit weak.

First post...

 

How is this possible?    Because of your post I went to the local audi dealer (Just have to mention I am In Belgium).  

 

Prices here are way of your price.  Best deal I could get on an audi A4 S line (1.8, 170hp), sat nav, and a few options (no leather), was 36200 euro's incl VAT. (£31000).

 

The skoda on the other hand, is around 5000 euro cheaper and better equiped (more options and off course the RS engine)

 

No Audi for me in Belgium....

It is a bit anal i agree haha, but I'm spending £26,000 so rather have it how i want it haha, ill not tell you how much the wax retails at that I'm putting on it .

What that rob your sv crystal rock? Worth £800 brand new from swissvax?

back to the main topic at hand, the new Top Gear magazine reviews the Octy 3vRS diesel version, has quite a lot of nice things to say about it, but says it doesn't feel as "involved", but you might want to buy one over a Leon FR diesel because it's more practical and cheaper - 7/10 - just a bit too sensible

 

it then goes on to review the Golf GTD a few pages later, says quite a few good things about it, (8/10) but says you may prefer a LEon FR diesel because it's nearly as good, but a lot cheaper. Sadly no direct comparison between Golf and Octy

back to the main topic at hand, the new Top Gear magazine reviews the Octy 3vRS diesel version, has quite a lot of nice things to say about it, but says it doesn't feel as "involved", but you might want to buy one over a Leon FR diesel because it's more practical and cheaper - 7/10 - just a bit too sensible

 

it then goes on to review the Golf GTD a few pages later, says quite a few good things about it, (8/10) but says you may prefer a LEon FR diesel because it's nearly as good, but a lot cheaper. Sadly no direct comparison between Golf and Octy

Except vRS diesel is not cheaper than Leon FR 184 TDI. It's nearly a grand more expensive. And so is just about every extra option.

The moment Leon ST arrives next year, it's a problem for Octavia. Same space as Estate (few litres less), has every single extra option, but in addition the FR trim gets Golf GTI's Dynamic Chassis Control which is not available to any Octavia. And you can have 1.8TSI. If base price and valuation of extras follow current Leon hatch trend, Octavia will become financially the worst bang for buck among all cars using that platform.

...And you can have 1.8TSI. If base price and valuation of extras follow current Leon hatch trend, Octavia will become financially the worst bang for buck among all cars using that platform.

Certainly food for thought. But if you keep in mind the Octy Mk III is the new Superb (in terms of size and price) and that the next Superb is going to be an SUV (as I mentioned before) then the pricing makes sense. See it as Superb prices vs Leon and Golf. Don't see it as where you think the Octavia should be vs Golf/Leon and you will see why it looks as "the worst bang for buck".

A Superb vRS vs Golf GTI then. And in view of that all I can say is when the Superb SUV does get launched wait to see the Octy prices rise even more. So buy now whilst they are "cheap".

Leon ST......now that might be interesting.

And could well be the reason we need a Rapid vRS.

But if you keep in mind the Octy Mk III is the new Superb (in terms of size and price) then the pricing makes sense. See it as Superb prices vs Leon and Golf. Don't see it as where you think the Octavia should be vs Golf/Leon and you will see why it looks as "the worst bang for buck".

I'm confused. Why would we see it as the new Superb? New, facelifted Superb is (still) the Superb. The Passat of Skoda range. 20 odd cm longer, more internal space, about the same difference in terms of dimensions as between the Golf and Passat. O3 is the golf parts bin, switchgear, tech etc.It has nothing that Golf range does not have, and thus its price point as a "value Golf" so close to the real thing is too high.

and that the next Superb is going to be an SUV (as I mentioned before)

I think something got lost in translation somewhere. There might be a Scout Superb, but it would be bizarre for Skoda to call their new SUV after their "Mondeo". Right after bringing face lifted version.

The new Leon is a pretty interesting option, I think it offers better value than the Mk3 Octavia ATM, just does not quite have an answer to the petrol vRS yet. I will certainly be looking at them when I am ready to change cars...

I'm confused. Why would we see it as the new Superb? New, facelifted Superb is (still) the Superb. The Passat of Skoda range. 20 odd cm longer, more internal space, about the same difference in terms of dimensions as between the Golf and Passat. O3 is the golf parts bin, switchgear, tech etc.It has nothing that Golf range does not have, and thus its price point as a "value Golf" so close to the real thing is too high.

I think something got lost in translation somewhere. There might be a Scout Superb, but it would be bizarre for Skoda to call their new SUV after their "Mondeo". Right after bringing face lifted version.

The FL Superb will live another two years during which time the Octavia prices will be as now. THEN at the end of its model life it will be replaced with an SUV (since making the Superb even bigger is a dead end in terms of sales - ask Renault et al how well a big non German car ever sells). That will also mean Octavia prices will rise to fill the gap. That is when the Octavia will become the true new Superb. This will be a gradual process. Not rocket science.

Skoda have been working on a project rumored to be called 'Snowman' which is supposedly something along the lines of a 7 seat Yeti -whether anything will actually come to fruition is another matter. Seeing as the Yeti has proved popular it wouldn't be to much of a stretch to think that something bigger and a bit more upmarket may be in the pipeline.

 

As for the Leon, just in case anyone is confused Seat use the ST suffix to describe their estate cars - it has nothing to do with the performance of the cars: that is normally the Cupra variant. 

The new Leon is a pretty interesting option, I think it offers better value than the Mk3 Octavia ATM, just does not quite have an answer to the petrol vRS yet. I will certainly be looking at them when I am ready to change cars...

It may do price wise but not space wise.  Both the Leon & the Golf lack the stretched wheelbase of the Octavia (not to mention the boot space).  Ok there is only approx 50mm in it but it is what makes the difference to the space in the back seats.  I want more space in the back than my current FL and the new Octavia gives me that.  The Golf doesn't.  I've been & tried it out.  Without the Octavia I'd have to look at something the size of a Passat or Superb or nothing in the Seat line up and I really don't want to drive anything that big if I can avoid it.

It may do price wise but not space wise. Both the Leon & the Golf lack the stretched wheelbase of the Octavia (not to mention the boot space). Ok there is only approx 50mm in it but it is what makes the difference to the space in the back seats. I want more space in the back than my current FL and the new Octavia gives me that. The Golf doesn't. I've been & tried it out. Without the Octavia I'd have to look at something the size of a Passat or Superb or nothing in the Seat line up and I really don't want to drive anything that big if I can avoid it.

The space difference is not a deal breaker for me, although it is one of the few +s for the Skoda.

Edited 14 August, 201312 yr by Zillio

Certainly food for thought. But if you keep in mind the Octy Mk III is the new Superb (in terms of size and price) and that the next Superb is going to be an SUV (as I mentioned before) then the pricing makes sense. See it as Superb prices vs Leon and Golf. Don't see it as where you think the Octavia should be vs Golf/Leon and you will see why it looks as "the worst bang for buck".

A Superb vRS vs Golf GTI then. And in view of that all I can say is when the Superb SUV does get launched wait to see the Octy prices rise even more. So buy now whilst they are "cheap".

You're referring to class creep, which had been going on for years from all oems, but I don't agree that the new Octavia is the new superb, it's not as big as the current passat, and nowhere near the size of the superb. Truth is the skoda range straddle the conventional C and D vehicle segment sizes, and I don't see that the mk3 Octavia is a half class size larger, let alone a full step.

Nice car that it is, having spent a few minutes looking at a race blue wagon in capitol Skoda in Newport whilst mine is being serviced, and given the pricing I suspect that the next car will not be a Skoda as there are more interesting and better looking options for the cash.

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You're referring to class creep, which had been going on for years from all oems, but I don't agree that the new Octavia is the new superb, it's not as big as the current passat, and nowhere near the size of the superb. Truth is the skoda range straddle the conventional C and D vehicle segment sizes, and I don't see that the mk3 Octavia is a half class size larger, let alone a full step.

 

 

I agree some of it is class creep of course.  But a big part of this readjustment (in terms of price - regardless of size) will be if, and I say if, Škoda does kill the Superb as a car and replace it with an SUV.  Which, in the current climate of big non German cars not selling at all (look how Passat and Accord type car sales have fallen off a cliff) and in contrast how SUVs are selling like hot cakes, is exactly what I'd do if I was running Škoda.

 

If Land Rover can ask a premium for something as small and dinky as the Evoque then Škoda can ask a premium for something as "small" as the Octy III in the Superb segment.  Or offer something bigger than a Golf in the Golf class.  See my reasoning?

 

All I'm getting at is that the Octy III will have to stradle both the Golf and Superb segments in future and thus its value for money in either segment will be viewed differently vs a Golf, Leon OR Passat.  

Skoda have been working on a project rumored to be called 'Snowman' which is supposedly something along the lines of a 7 seat Yeti -whether anything will actually come to fruition is another matter. Seeing as the Yeti has proved popular it wouldn't be to much of a stretch to think that something bigger and a bit more upmarket may be in the pipeline.

As for the Leon, just in case anyone is confused Seat use the ST suffix to describe their estate cars - it has nothing to do with the performance of the cars: that is normally the Cupra variant.

I've liked the Leon, nearly got one to replace the fabia but instead stuck with Skoda. I wanted an estate.

If seat do release the ST version (not to be mistaken for a rubbish for sporty version) then I could be tempted.

My issue with the mk3 is the price. I know I keep banging on about it but £30k for a FWD car is way over priced.

I know its bigger etc but I think skoda have really made a mistake on this one.

However a vrs 4wd (like golf R) for that price and I'd be signing up!

But that won't be happening.