Ok Lads...

Frieling Racing IP is valid for what I know of Guy's location

Lets start working constructively eh?

Blimey it's as bad as AMD and intel fan boys. AmD and Ati btw

All maps IMHO have good and bad features. One not mentioned here runs rings around all others, APR. Not for performance, thats middle tier (from experince) but technically what they do on the car, eg the theft, vallet mode (no boost 4k rpm peak) and so on.

Even superchips have'nt had a mention, perhaps rightly so, but they offer a warranty. Not everybody wants the absoulte max from there engine, this is called choice and assesmt of features for the indivdual buyer.

I ask you all to get back on track and remember that the site is here for the community of users and nothing else.

Keep it factual, your own experinces please.

I have to say your right.

I came on here to get information and gain experiance from experiances that other people have been through.

After all a car is a large investment, so making the right choices is paramount.

I looked into getting my Furby's ECU mapped, and had made the decision until readinf some of the coments and recommendations that people were giving.

With all maps its important to relaise that power is great ( something to talk about down the pub) but the real clincher is drivability. No good having all that power if the wheels are constantly spinning or the ride is so jerky that you cant transport milk without it turning to cheese.

I made my decision by looking at what everybody said, getting some graphs and contacting the relivent mapping companies and asking some questions. gives you a better picture.

I didnt want a map that would burn my clutch out straight away and i wanted the power delivery to be more constant throught the revs, not all at once again drivability.

On the note of REVO, when i contacted them about the furby its worth mentioning that they can only do a stage one and uterlise the SPS1 for the TDI. So for anyone thinking of getting stage 2 upgrades this is an important factor when making your choice.

This is the info people want not, mine gets xxx BHP.

I would suggest that if you cant make your mind up go to a meet and ask some of the people with the remapped cars to take you on a drive so you can get some exposure to the different way that each vendor's map delivers the power.

Many moons ago myself and another member had the same model of car (4x4) one was jabba'd and one was apr'd. Now driving around we'd be about even up to silly sppeds.

So one day we got an AP22 performance meter, my technique was not so great so I lost overall, but my car was a dam site faster early on and then trailed away to almost nothing, the other carried on. But driving we were about matched as I never went there normally...thus it's all about you, your car, your map, your style and your pound coins paying for it.

Let me say that at the end of the day, most net out about the same, which is why the fabia's keep on the backsides of the octys, in the real world where traffic, roads and drivers are huge factors, most maps net out about the same, so find one you like/trust.

This is the info people want not' date=' mine gets xxx BHP.

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This thread hasn't turned into that but if people are honest then yes they do care how much power their car makes.

I certainly do.

Rolling Road days are popular due to that very reason.

That is all fine, just a pity you can't line up the cars with the various remaps and try them all until you find one that suits.

Unfortunately you have to rely on someone telling you how good their remap is, but that is purely their opinion, and may not be comparable.

I used to have a digital tuning module by HOPA £400 in my MK3 golf TDI. It was smooth and brought the max torque from 1900 to 1650 rpm, increasing the drivability considerably. It also made the acceleration smooth and it pulled up to and beyond the limiter.

I bought an analogue tuning box for £40 for the Octy. I knew it wouldn't be a patch on a digital box, but it is only a stop gap. Max torque kicked in at the same place as before i had it in, but due to the overfuelling it tended to create a huge spike and wheel spin most of the time. Then the power died shortly after 4000rpm.

My point:

I always thought it was this clear cut (within reason) for remaps. At least from all the reports i had heard.

For a generic of the shelf remap (the analogue box of remaps) you would pay approx. £300+.

For a custom remap (on the rollers, the digital box of remaps) you would pay £500+.

So why am i seeing a generic remap for roughly the same price as a custom remap.

I had some assurance of what i was getting with the tuning box, and roughly what price, but the field is wide open with remaps.

Just my 2 pence

JD

Upsolute is a low cost generic remap at £300.

Generic remaps from the likes of Revo, APR, C-C etc... are all around £500+ mark.

Maybe this sort of question should be asked of the suppiers of the generic maps charging proces around the custom map proce range! Most of the big remap people seem to charge around the £500 mark.

I'v been in contact witha few remap people, all the popular ones on here and some popular on other forums.

One has offered me a custom map on the RR for £310+vat, plus he'll throw in a filter for me coming to him. THis is the same price as his generic map.

And if i dont like it, he'll remove it and give me my money back. So i got nothing to loose doing this really.

My point is this, get some feedback from the forum. You cant beat experiance, but also get some info from the suppiers of the remap. Then you got to make the choice.

Unless you got loads of money and can try each map out for a couple of months and then make a choice. Cos i dare say that which ever you choose, you'll be happy.

Maybe this sort of question should be asked of the suppiers of the generic maps charging proces around the custom map proce range! Most of the big remap people seem to charge around the £500 mark.

I'v been in contact witha few remap people' date=' all the popular ones on here and some popular on other forums.

One has offered me a custom map on the RR for £310+vat, plus he'll throw in a filter for me coming to him. THis is the same price as his generic map.

And if i dont like it, he'll remove it and give me my money back. So i got nothing to loose doing this really.

My point is this, get some feedback from the forum. You cant beat experiance, but also get some info from the suppiers of the remap. Then you got to make the choice.

Unless you got loads of money and can try each map out for a couple of months and then make a choice. Cos i dare say that which ever you choose, you'll be happy.[/quote']

That's a very good offer you got. The problem i have is that being in Northern Ireland, there is very little choice, and its not worth while taking the boat accross just to try one out. i have to be very sure before i decide to pay for the ferry and take the day off.

Can i ask who you are referring to and where abouts they are?

If i was travelling to get a remap, that is the kind of service i would appreciate.

JD

A few options in Ireland, time it right and the Stena HSS from Dublin can be cheap, not that bad down the A55 into the central belts of the UK...or over to Scotland.

Rolling Road days are popular due to that very reason.

But does'nt prove much or doe's it? IIRC the RR session at PE proved nothing but a mind f*ck, My motor only had REVO and had more power than so called higher specced cars ? Why? I dont know but i was happy .

Anyone there on the day have a clue?

Steve

All you can do Steve is compare you car against the next on the same day, same rollers, same operator, temps etc....

At least that way all things are equal.

But does'nt prove much or doe's it? IIRC the RR session at PE proved nothing but a mind f*ck' date=' My motor only had REVO and had more power than so called higher specced cars ? Why? I dont know but i was happy .

Anyone there on the day have a clue?

Steve[/quote']

The bacon sarnies were alright though..

The bacon sarnies were alright though..

Coffee was'nt bad either ,

Steve

If we are talking about power comparisons and not driveability, i think we should be measuring the success of a remap on the percentage increase it produces. I.e. before and after readings should be taken.

This way we have a comparative system, and not arguements when one rolling road read 30bhp more than another.

Does anyone out there have before and after readings (same day/ conditions/ RR) where we could see some percentage increase comparisons.

And before someone says it, yes i know its not a fool proof, 100% way of taking readings due to temperature changes warmer engines etc, but its the best i can suggest.

JD

Guy, if that is really you (which I don't believe for one minute it is)...

Have your beliefs changed at all since Colin confirmed the location of the poster's IP Address?

:confused:

Just curious!

In view of the "Mine is better than yours" between generic and custom code re-maps, and comments about various tuning companies.

At the rolling road today in Southampton my Octy vRS did 228.3BHP and 233.9lbft with the "GENERIC" serial port "1 BAR" map from Impossible Performance.

Was told by the chap doing the testing, that it should be increased to 1.2 Bar, which should increase figures to 240+BHP and 245+lbft torque.

Not bad figures for a non custom code re-map...............

In view of the "Mine is better than yours" between generic and custom code re-maps' date=' and comments about various tuning companies.

At the rolling road today in Southampton my Octy vRS did 228.3BHP and 233.9lbft with the "GENERIC" serial port "1 BAR" map from Impossible Performance.

Was told by the chap doing the testing, that it should be increased to 1.2 Bar, which should increase figures to 240+BHP and 245+lbft torque.

Not bad figures for a non custom code re-map...............[/quote']

Gerry, they are very impressive figures for a "1 BAR MAP".

Gerry, they are very impressive figures for a "1 BAR MAP".

If the RR was accurate.....

Good for you Beretta!

Did you log boost? I can't believe you're only running 1 bar with those figures!

Looking forward to seeing your graph!

Here we go again, out come all the "Doubting Thomas's", are we now also saying that Dave U's did not hit over 350BHP on these rollers ???? Or that the Seat boys were wrong when they hit what they should???

"ALL" rollers can can be questioned, if the person's car does or does not make the figures that he or she feels that they should.

Yes, the graph was plotted and as witnessed by Delcac and Dave U, the boost started at 1Bar and was showing 0.6 at 5776 revs , showing 228.3BHP and 233.9lbft torque.

It showed a power dip at 5300revs at 210bhp, this then rose again to 228.3BHP at 5776revs. The chap on the RR suggested that the N75 could be the cause, but that I should get the boost lifted to 1.2bar as everything else, mixture etc was right for the car, and that this would increase the BHP to 240ish.

Not getting into the numbers game or "Mine is better than yours", it is all about driveability, and this car pulls to the red line without a problem and is a joy to drive.

If people wish to pay the extra for a custom code and other maps costing the earth then that is their priviledge.

Just glad I did not.............................................

Here we go again' date=' out come all the "Doubting Thomas's", are we now also saying that Dave U's did not hit over 350BHP on these rollers ???? Or that the Seat boys were wrong when they hit what they should???

"ALL" rollers can can be questioned, if the person's car does or does not make the figures that he or she feels that they should.

Yes, the graph was plotted and as witnessed by Delac and Dave U, the boost started at 1Bar and was showing 0.6 at 5776 revs , showing 228.3BHP and 233.9lbft torque.

It showed a power dip at 5300revs at 210bhp, this then rose again to 228.3BHP at 5776revs. The chap on the RR suggested that the N75 could be the cause, but that I should get the boost lifted to 1.2bar as everything else, mixture etc was right for the car, and that this would increase the BHP to 240ish.

Not getting into the numbers game or "Mine is better than yours", it is all about driveability, and this car pulls to the red line without a problem and is a joy to drive.

If people wish to pay the extra for a custom code and other maps costing the earth then that is their priviledge.

Just glad I did not.............................................[/quote']

Delac!! :eek:

I'm sure nobody was questioning the way your car drives Gerry.....why, that would sound like sour grapes or something simular.

Des, are you saying that some on here might be suffering from "Green Eyed Monster Syndrome"........

I cannot think that anyone would be jealous of a cheap map that gives the figures that you, Dave, Andy and I get, but then again.....................................

"SOLUTION".....Perhaps if those who have doubts about the RR's would like to arrange a session at a RR near to them, then we could all attend and run on their designated rollers and see what we get then. I am up for it if it a reasonable distance.

I wasn't questioning the way it drove, or the cost of his remap, or the rollers for that matter!

I was just interested in the "figures".

I've never heard of a car making that power from such low boost. IP must really be at the forefront of chip tuning.

I'll stick to C-C for now though, thanks all the same.

Des' date=' are you saying that some on here might be suffering from "Green Eyed Monster Syndrome"........

I cannot think that anyone would be jealous of a cheap map that gives the figures that you, Dave, Andy and I get, but then again.....................................[/quote']

That map of yours is quite interesting......with that "1 BAR MAP" you have achieved nearly 230bhp, surely that is hardly working the turbo, that would make it last far longer than these higher boost maps and it's costing less.

I had my standard Leon Cupra R225 on the JBS rollers last year for a Seat Enthusiasts rolling road day. It made 225bhp and 224 lbft so the rollers seem to fairly accurate.

Ironically, I was given the hard sell for Revo..............