Well that sums up my thoughts about BM's!

 

Cheers Chris!

 

Well only the ones with less cylinders than yours eh Chris ?!!! :-)

 

and around 40kg less weight when both are fully fuelled up. Some of us 11st weaklings are not man enough for a Trumpet

You know it is in humour  Ade.  You may have seen the question asked on the TEX forum "what is the difference between a GS and a TEX?  ANSWER 4000 revs!

 

and around 40kg less weight when both are fully fuelled up. Some of us 11st weaklings are not man enough for a Trumpet

 

aha. So a fully loaded GSA piled with luggage and a full 33 litre fuel tank doesnt count of course . :D 

aha. So a fully loaded GSA piled with luggage and a full 33 litre fuel tank doesnt count of course . :D

 

 

I have the girlies version for roads and wimps not the man mountain mud plugger that requires a **** suit :peek:

You know it is in humour  Ade.  You may have seen the question asked on the TEX forum "what is the difference between a GS and a TEX?  ANSWER 4000 revs!

 

I know  -no offence taken... I can get abused at UKGSer.com! if I'm in that sort of mood. I think the large capacity ADV bike sector is probably one of the most diverse out there, what with the Ducati multistrada, KTMs, S1000RX TEX and the 2 Gs's not to mention the UBJ offerings there's something for everyone. Me I'm a friendly old soul who doesn't care what others ride as we're all bikers.... I even nod at bike coppers but they just ignore me

I know -no offence taken... I can get abused at UKGSer.com! if I'm in that sort of mood. I think the large capacity ADV bike sector is probably one of the most diverse out there, what with the Ducati multistrada, KTMs, S1000RX TEX and the 2 Gs's not to mention the UBJ offerings there's something for everyone. Me I'm a friendly old soul who doesn't care what others ride as we're all bikers.... I even nod at bike coppers but they just ignore me

Thats the spirit mate

I nod at them too. Its hit or miss though hahaa. Abit like nodding at harley riders...

Edited 30 March, 201610 yr by fabiamk2SE

When do you ever see a copper on a bike?  Around here that is like saying you have seen Lord Lucan riding Shergar!  Our Roads Policing Unit is shared with Notts, Leicestershire and Northampton and the nearest is based at Grantham.  I cannot recall the last time I saw a patrol car let alone a bike.  So I don't get the experience of nodding to them to check what they do and if I did see one I would probably just stop at the side of the road and shake my head to see if my eyes were working properly.

 

I must admit to the TEX being a big old lump to move about.  Even I struggle to pedal it backwards in a car park for example and I really don't push it anywhere to turn it round as it is just so heavy and top end.  Bearing in mind I am 6'2" 14 1/2 stone so not a small bloke and I am wary of manhandling the thing.  Of course all of that weight goes away as soon as you start moving.

 

There is one of the threads on the TEX forum about changing the fork internals and the rear shocker.  One of our American cousins is saying since he has done it he doesn't suffer with the front end dive when stopping any more and feels safer because it used to unsettle him when the forks jumped back up after the stop causing him to lose balance and nearly drop the bike. I did post to say that I thought that was more a problem with using the front brake to come to a standstill when at walking pace you should release the front brake and rely on the back brake to stop you thereby stopping the forks from diving and jumping back up and scaring you.  He has not replied.  I was out on the TEX yesterday and was thinking to myself I have never ever noticed the front forks dive under any circumstance and thought about giving it a try but then thought why?  If you use your brakes properly it isn't a problem.  I don't know how they teach folks to ride in the US of A but it certainly isn't how I was taught or taught others.

They arent exactly common around here, but theres enough. You usually see them in groups stood at the side watching traffic go by. Abit like sheep, biker cops seem to stick together here.

Uprated Fork springs only stop fork dive a littlr anyway. They're stiffer, but you'd have to completely get rid of the forks and replace them with solid steel tubes to completely get rid. Its just a perk of standard forks, ive never found a problem with diving on anythin ive had.

Unless you've got a BMW with Telelever suspension. Dad reckons that doesnt dive under braking, but i havent had a go myself.

The k13 dived a bit if you really grabbed a handful but nothing like conventional forks.

Dive is a good thing for weight transfer and grip on the from tyre.

The k13 dived a bit if you really grabbed a handful but nothing like conventional forks.

Dive is a good thing for weight transfer and grip on the from tyre.

Yeah it is. But i guess if it doesnt dive, you can get more braking force through the back wheel and tyre?

No where near as effective as loading up the front - that's why the big brakes go at the front. Same on cars.weight transfer plays a huge part.

The more force, to a point, you can load onto the front the harder you can apply the stoppers. If you reduce this force by applying more braking to the rear you'll simply lock both wheels sooner. Its all down to the rough nature of tarmac and squishing the rubbery stuff down into all the crevices.

You'd be amazed just how hard you can apply the front brakes before a skid occurs. Just try stamping on the rear brake - locks very easily.

No where near as effective as loading up the front - that's why the big brakes go at the front. Same on cars.weight transfer plays a huge part.

The more force, to a point, you can load onto the front the harder you can apply the stoppers. If you reduce this force by applying more braking to the rear you'll simply lock both wheels sooner. Its all down to the rough nature of tarmac and squishing the rubbery stuff down into all the crevices.

You'd be amazed just how hard you can apply the front brakes before a skid occurs. Just try stamping on the rear brake - locks very easily.

Yeah i know mate, im not sayin that. But if some weight is kept on the back wheel itll atleast be able to apply some braking force. If the weight transfers and the bike dives the back wheel is carrying next to no weight, it just locks very easily. .

So its atleast doing something, id you get me? .

Edited 31 March, 201610 yr by fabiamk2SE

Yeah get what you're saying mate.

It'll be far less effective that way fella.

Yeah get what you're saying mate.

It'll be far less effective that way fella.

Yeah its less effective, but its doing something.

Cant even stop a push bike with a back brake.

Apparently more than useless on a Tuono as the back master cylinder is next to the rear exhaust header, so it just boils the brake fluid all the time .

Lol, that's Italian engineering for you buddy ! It was designed in the summer so I'd suggest not riding it anything approaching damp conditions or it'll just stop working.

You need to start waving your arms lots during conversations too and saying ciao to everyone.

I agree about the front brake and loading up the front tyre for grip BUT not just as you are coming to a full stop.  That and gravel at any junction are a surefire combination for an off!  If you are braking correctly in town or out of town you should not be having fork dive as you come to a full stop as your front brake should have been released by then.

When do you ever see a copper on a bike?  Around here that is like saying you have seen Lord Lucan riding Shergar!  Our Roads Policing Unit is shared with Notts, Leicestershire and Northampton and the nearest is based at Grantham.  I cannot recall the last time I saw a patrol car let alone a bike.  So I don't get the experience of nodding to them to check what they do and if I did see one I would probably just stop at the side of the road and shake my head to see if my eyes were working properly.

 

I must admit to the TEX being a big old lump to move about.  Even I struggle to pedal it backwards in a car park for example and I really don't push it anywhere to turn it round as it is just so heavy and top end.  Bearing in mind I am 6'2" 14 1/2 stone so not a small bloke and I am wary of manhandling the thing.  Of course all of that weight goes away as soon as you start moving.

 

There is one of the threads on the TEX forum about changing the fork internals and the rear shocker.  One of our American cousins is saying since he has done it he doesn't suffer with the front end dive when stopping any more and feels safer because it used to unsettle him when the forks jumped back up after the stop causing him to lose balance and nearly drop the bike. I did post to say that I thought that was more a problem with using the front brake to come to a standstill when at walking pace you should release the front brake and rely on the back brake to stop you thereby stopping the forks from diving and jumping back up and scaring you.  He has not replied.  I was out on the TEX yesterday and was thinking to myself I have never ever noticed the front forks dive under any circumstance and thought about giving it a try but then thought why?  If you use your brakes properly it isn't a problem.  I don't know how they teach folks to ride in the US of A but it certainly isn't how I was taught or taught others.

 

 

Well.... on my previous run out between Morville and Craven arms 3 of them went in the opposite direction together. What 3 of them were doing on a Shropshire B road in the middle of nowhere I don't know- maybe on a jolly.... 'Pretend he's not there and don't nod back in case he tells the sarge where he saw us.....' 

 

I looked at getting the suspension upgraded if I bought a TEX as it was a bit harsh for me being so light    Revs racing do a ride in ride out service where they fit a wilbers rear shock and re build the front forks for about £800, which had I been able to cope with the weight I'd have had done. It transforms the bike apparently.

Lol, that's Italian engineering for you buddy ! It was designed in the summer so I'd suggest not riding it anything approaching damp conditions or it'll just stop working.

You need to start waving your arms lots during conversations too and saying ciao to everyone.

Not so fast, its a Rotax engine .

I agree about the front brake and loading up the front tyre for grip BUT not just as you are coming to a full stop. That and gravel at any junction are a surefire combination for an off! If you are braking correctly in town or out of town you should not be having fork dive as you come to a full stop as your front brake should have been released by then.

Same as 4 wheels for a smooth halt. Release the brake pressure so its a real smooth n comfortable halt.

My wife drives using brake and throttle. Its quite uncomfortable being a passenger - reminds me I've got that to look forward to tomorrow night after a works night out. Oh joy.

I agree about the front brake and loading up the front tyre for grip BUT not just as you are coming to a full stop. That and gravel at any junction are a surefire combination for an off! If you are braking correctly in town or out of town you should not be having fork dive as you come to a full stop as your front brake should have been released by then.

Yeah agreed. Controlling a rear wheel skid is easy, a front one not so easy.

Im not heavy on brakes anyway tbh. I find it much smoother to use engine braking, brakes abit. Not just dive on them. I find i flow better riding like that

Same as 4 wheels for a smooth halt. Release the brake pressure so its a real smooth n comfortable halt.

My wife drives using brake and throttle. Its quite uncomfortable being a passenger - reminds me I've got that to look forward to tomorrow night after a works night out. Oh joy.

Ahaha. My mate does that. Not in a slow car either. It usually worries me.

Unless im ****ed, then i wouldnt even be slightly worried at anythin. Could write it off n id not be worried haha.

 

Well.... on my previous run out between Morville and Craven arms 3 of them went in the opposite direction together. What 3 of them were doing on a Shropshire B road in the middle of nowhere I don't know- maybe on a jolly.... 'Pretend he's not there and don't nod back in case he tells the sarge where he saw us.....' 

 

I looked at getting the suspension upgraded if I bought a TEX as it was a bit harsh for me being so light    Revs racing do a ride in ride out service where they fit a wilbers rear shock and re build the front forks for about £800, which had I been able to cope with the weight I'd have had done. It transforms the bike apparently.

 

I have read the threads Ade and to be fair while I do notice the suspension to be a bit crashy the settings at the front are the same if you ride on your own, 2 up or with luggage.  So there is no point changing the stanard set up.  I cannot see the value for me in changing it as I just ride around the problem and my riding style will never push the bike or tyres to the limit.  Having said all of that,  these days the customer should not have to pay the best part of a grand to sort the suspension.

 

As far as three bikes together they could be on a course as it is normally 1 insructor and 2 students.  They could also be on a project somewhere as it is normal to target a area with loads of resources, hammer it and then move on.

Same as 4 wheels for a smooth halt. Release the brake pressure so its a real smooth n comfortable halt.

My wife drives using brake and throttle. Its quite uncomfortable being a passenger - reminds me I've got that to look forward to tomorrow night after a works night out. Oh joy.

I have one from the same batch  Digital driver she is... it's either all or nothing, foot to the floor, then brakes on full tilt, pass me the sick bag....  

Edited 31 March, 201610 yr by littleade

I have read the threads Ade and to be fair while I do notice the suspension to be a bit crashy the settings at the front are the same if you ride on your own, 2 up or with luggage.  So there is no point changing the stanard set up.  I cannot see the value for me in changing it as I just ride around the problem and my riding style will never push the bike or tyres to the limit.  Having said all of that,  these days the customer should not have to pay the best part of a grand to sort the suspension.

 

As far as three bikes together they could be on a course as it is normally 1 insructor and 2 students.  They could also be on a project somewhere as it is normal to target a area with loads of resources, hammer it and then move on.

 

I think the TEX  works well for most Chris and the positives far outweigh any minor issues, it just didn't work for me especially with my physique...or lack of it and being a new returnee to biking. I get what you say about the suspension and to be fair to Triumph they have listened and the new models are apparently loads better with heir new kit, but they were too late for me which is a shame especially as the XRX now has the low option so I'll just have to put up with the toilet...it's a hard life

 

Cheers for the info on the 3 amigos, that makes sense as I'd fancy being on a course being paid to ride those roads!

When I was on my Advanced course I ended up going to see the quack because my left leg was in agony from all the gear changing.  We were doing 300 plus miles a day and unlike on a car course where there are 3 students you have to do all the work yourself.  I actually ended up with my leg in plaster for a few weeks to let it recover.  Thankfully it did and has never been a problem since but then I do not ride that sort of mileage everyday for four weeks!

 

There has been a lot of talk about how much improved the new TEX is but mine is fine as it is and as I say I just ride around the rough riding and am used to it.  Mate of mine who has the TEX also says he doesn't find it a problem but it is crashy. Put it this way my fillings haven't dropped out as yet! :no:

 

I suppose you could have worn platform heels Ade!