Are some peeps actually considering just ignoring the recall? I'm under the impression although a resale value might not be as badly affected as some may think, it could prove rather an awkward conversation with a potential buyer. Would you just keep your gob shut?

 

I mean you'd be selling on the car (unless you intend to run it to destruction) falsely. I dunno, I'm gunna see how this one plays out but I'm not so sure ignoring it is the best idea.

Well mines is a taxi, it's had work done on it to benefit me, remap, EGR and DPF delete, if I go for the recall I'll have to fork out another couple £££ to get the map put back on unless my mapper is going to offer it FOC, which I highly doubt, why should he at the end of the day? I wouldn't work for nothing, can't expect them to work for nothing. My car will be worth nothing when it comes off the road as a taxi, so not really bothered about resale value.

I'm gonna play it by ear, my mates a mechanic at Skoda so I'll wait to hear from him to find out exactly what's gonna happen.

G

Both our cars, vrs and Ibiza fr, got the call, times like this make me glad we got the DTUK tuning boxes........ Smug mode

Are some peeps actually considering just ignoring the recall? I'm under the impression although a resale value might not be as badly affected as some may think, it could prove rather an awkward conversation with a potential buyer. Would you just keep your gob shut?

I mean you'd be selling on the car (unless you intend to run it to destruction) falsely. I dunno, I'm gunna see how this one plays out but I'm not so sure ignoring it is the best idea.

Why would the resale value be affected??

The recall is free and can be carried out at any time. So if you were looking to buy a car and it was remapped you have the option to keep it remapped or get your free recall from Skoda.. how would this make the car worth less?

No one bought a used tdi because the emmisions were low before so why would they not buy a used tdi because of the emissions now? Even after the recall is carried out.. the minute you remap a car all the factory emissions are out the window but it doesnt stop people doing it and a remap is normally a selling point (especially if you forked out £500 for it lol!!).

Why would the resale value be affected??

The recall is free and can be carried out at any time. So if you were looking to buy a car and it was remapped you have the option to keep it remapped or get your free recall from Skoda.. how would this make the car worth less?

No one bought a used tdi because the emmisions were low before so why would they not buy a used tdi because of the emissions now? Even after the recall is carried out.. the minute you remap a car all the factory emissions are out the window but it doesnt stop people doing it and a remap is normally a selling point (especially if you forked out £500 for it lol!!).

Fair comment. So in your opinion, based on the fact I'm running a remap you would probably leave it as is? Am I correct?

As with most things in the news, the general population will forget about this and move on to the next non story that is published.

In 12 months time, used car buyers won't even remember this.

Do you really think a prospective buyer for my VRS would be happy that it's been "detuned" following the s/ware upgrade? I'd want the full 170bhp originally quoted for the car and feel that most enthusiastic drivers would agree. 

Fair comment. So in your opinion, based on the fact I'm running a remap you would probably leave it as is? Am I correct?

Obviously completely up to the owner but in my opinion i wouldnt get the recall done if my car was remapped. Unless the remap company has made it clear it would re install the remap FOC.

More importantly if a remap and DPF delete or EGR delete or both have been done then i would 100% not have the recall done.. If you did get it done the car would leave the workshop in limp mode with the engine light and coil light on.

Is the modification not just a remap that any remap would wipe off anyway? Meaning if your car is already remapped then you might as well just leave it as it is?

Just got my letter from Skoda. Oh joy. I wonder if they'll go some way to compensating me for the day off work and the fuel needed to get to my local dealer?

It'll be interesting to see if any likewise 170 CR owners pop into this thread just to see what the general consensus is. Whilst I fully appreciate said remap company have offered a 'FOC' service to 'put the map back on', I tend to agree with Mike that it isn't really their responsibility and to me, results in lost labour charges. What's more, mine isn't a simple STS upload so would need the ECU out jobby again. What's to say that in the near future (unlikely as it may seem), remappers withdraw the 'FOCs' and put the onus back onto the driver?

 

Probably overthinking this by a large margin but part of me is now swaying towards just ignore.

As stated a couple of posts ago, i'm not mapped yet. They can make the changes to my car as per the recall but I want it back running 170bhp as that's what I bought it for. Also they can arrange collection and drop it back off as I'm not losing a days holiday to take it to them (have/need my work van for work so can't just drop it off ect). They reckon January 2016 don't they for the start of the recalls?

Looks like it. All looks a damn shambles. And if my vrs is different i will be lookin to get compensation or refund

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think i will be sending mine in but not until i have read up on other peoples findings once work is carried out.

 

so what i were loose a few hp get some compo get it re mapped to better bhp and mpg than standard anyway after.  just a different take on things yes no what do u think?

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I agree with you. It wud be foolish to rush into it and i think customers of affected cars shud get compensation

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Looks like it. All looks a damn shambles. And if my vrs is different i will be lookin to get compensation or refund

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Best comment on this thread imo. Damn shambles!! Just goes to show what these huge companies will try and get away with. All those people involved in it how on earth did they think they'd get away with this indefinitely beggars belief. Doesn't help anyone but thought I'd just say my old smokey PD isn't affected!!

Meh, I got my letter, and my feathers still quite unruffled, I will however not "part soft" in respect of compo, or personal inconievence during the remedial works.

I will however  be writing back to Aliasdair Stewart, and asking him, in light of this recent VW  emissions "mea culpa", is the VW Group now going to fess up in respect of their various  DSG failings, especially in respect of the defective software that causes the potentially dangerous, i.e. complete and unwarned loss of drive during low speed manouvering on a slope.

Since they have demonstrated a somewhat cavalier attitude to software transparency/integrity in the emissions debacle.

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marcus

I had put my cars vin/details in on the website but it said my car was not required for the recall, Iv now had my letter also from Skoda uk with regards to the emissions problem, my car is a 1.6 CR TDI does anybody know what work will be carried out under the recall? Just an ECU reflash?

Mines totally standard so will get it done once the opportunity arises with my local dealer. Just hope the car is as useable as currently is and will be a bit annoyed if it ends up being less powerful, and also if it affects the fuel consumption in any way.

Take a look at the main thread which is now over 2100 posts.

It is already announced that our 1.6 engines are to have new injectors fitted as well as a software change.

Conjecture is that the new injectors will require a higher pressure pump for the common rail.

Also one poster has said a catalytic converter manufacturer in the UK has been asked to quote for a special purchase of converters. Again, not confirmed put seems logical if other exhaust products are increased.

Lots of guesswork going on and the only thing confirmed by VAG is the injectors and software.

I had put my cars vin/details in on the website but it said my car was not required for the recall, Iv now had my letter also from Skoda uk with regards to the emissions problem, my car is a 1.6 CR TDI does anybody know what work will be carried out under the recall? Just an ECU reflash?

Take a look at the main thread which is now over 2100 posts.

It is already announced that our 1.6 engines are to have new injectors fitted as well as a software change.

Conjecture is that the new injectors will require a higher pressure pump for the common rail.

Also one poster has said a catalytic converter manufacturer in the UK has been asked to quote for a special purchase of converters. Again, not confirmed put seems logical if other exhaust products are increased.

Lots of guesswork going on and the only thing confirmed by VAG is the injectors and software.

 

 

This might not be a bad thing. Injectors aren't cheap and if it's possible to  get a new set for free, why not? Sure, if it doesn't affect anything else.

But you don't know that the rectification work WILL decrease the power output -- surely they cannot do that under the Sale of Goods Act or Trades Description? If the car was bought as a 170hp engine, it will have to retain that, if not the company concerned, in this case Skoda, would be fully liable for compensation not only for the car's description being changed, but for any future changes in fuel economy etc that this might cause.

 

 

 

One further question -- once again I know my 1.9 isn't affected, but thinking of other owners in my shoes who have had a remap done via something like the Shark STS box. If the car is returned to standard map through the STS box before the dealer work is carried out, is the performance map needed going to be any different to the one you already have on your STS box, or would any off the parameters be changed so much that this map would be useless to put back on the car with the dealer modified soft/hardware?

 

I can't see VAG paying for re-installation of remaps, which technically are not VAG authorised modifications that have been added by the owners. As far as I see it, there are simply two choices -- 1. Ignore the recall and continue using the car which is currently standard or remapped, or 2. Get the recall done, and risk the performance being compromised and any remap work being lost. Fair enough if the remap companies offer to replace maps free of charge, but it isn't really their responsibility to do this.

 

Mike

I can assure you that the performance will be affected. The "cheat" software can detect when an emission test is taking place and essentially makes the car run in a sort of limp mode where you have reduced performance as the engine isnt running at full potential. By reducing the performance it means that the car isnt fueling as much as it normally should ( ie less fuel being burned = less emmisions ). A study was carried out on a 140HP CR jetta with and without the cheat software and the performance dropped of by 25HP!!! when the cheat software was enabled. The dealers are simply going to "enable" this software all the time. You cannot expect the engine to not lose any performance, if that was the case why would VW have done this "cheat Software" in the first place, becasue if they could meet the emmission standards WITH the claimed BHP figures then they WOULD have done that to begin with.  If you have a CR 170 the losses may be even more, you may end up with a car that performs like a 140BHP. If you have remapped the car then the losses will be huge and also problematic as you have probably removed the DPF aswell.  The car needs to know that the DPF isnt there anymore so if the dealer puts new software on the car then there WILL be problems. Everyone please be aware of this. 

If you have had your car Re-mapped then you will have changed the original software anyway wont you? so there will be no point having this software upgrade carried out as all it will do is put your car back to standard or worse than standard depending on what this new software actually does,if my car was re-mapped then i would just keep it as it is & enjoy it.

I've got a simple idea that might be useful.

 

Find some trustworthy Briskoda members and create a community that works for all (possibly) involved. Collect donations from members. Then find 2 volunteers - one with 1.6 TDI and one with affected 2.0 TDI. Ask Skoda how your car is going to perform after the modifications. If they say that there will be less power, you can find a lawyer immediately because it's violating your consumer rights. If not (I believe it's what they will say) then use collected money for 4 power measurements (2 for each car. 1 before and 1 after visiting the dealer). Get a report from independent expert and see if there's any difference between power output (or fuel consumption).

 

Donating some pounds won't be a big deal for involved ones but the results might be interesting

I can assure you that the performance will be affected. The "cheat" software can detect when an emission test is taking place and essentially makes the car run in a sort of limp mode where you have reduced performance as the engine isnt running at full potential. By reducing the performance it means that the car isnt fueling as much as it normally should ( ie less fuel being burned = less emmisions ). A study was carried out on a 140HP CR jetta with and without the cheat software and the performance dropped of by 25HP!!! when the cheat software was enabled. The dealers are simply going to "enable" this software all the time. You cannot expect the engine to not lose any performance, if that was the case why would VW have done this "cheat Software" in the first place, becasue if they could meet the emmission standards WITH the claimed BHP figures then they WOULD have done that to begin with.  If you have a CR 170 the losses may be even more, you may end up with a car that performs like a 140BHP. If you have remapped the car then the losses will be huge and also problematic as you have probably removed the DPF aswell.  The car needs to know that the DPF isnt there anymore so if the dealer puts new software on the car then there WILL be problems. Everyone please be aware of this. 

Mine will not be going in for the work if it doesn't or wont come back out with the 170bhp it went in with, if i wanted a car with 140bhp I'd of got a lower spec car!

Any recalibration/remap/modification that VAG perform on any vehicle affected will have to be such that the original performance and power output is not changed from what the car was when it originally left the factory. This is costing VAG enough as it is without future claims for compensation and issues over Sales of Goods and Trading Standards, and that is just in this country. If the vehicles leave the dealer after rectification with a power loss, they are leaving themselves wide open to future claims, which they are not going to risk.

 

Any replacement "standard" map they install will have to perform equally as good or better than the affected (standard) map they remove. It is obvious that a remapped car with x hp more than standard will be returned to factory spec if the VAG software upgrade is done, and as such the owner will either have to live with it, or get the custom map put back on. 

 

Having spoken to Shark this morning, I have been told that once any rectification is done, any STS map already held will be fine to go straight back onto the car, and once that is installed, it will be absolutely no different to as it is now with the remap. The standard map is wiped from the ECU as soon as a remap is installed, totally defeating the object of VAG doing the work on remapped vehicles.

 

Mike

I agree that you indeed should be able to put your Shark map back on and you "Shudnt" have a problem.. BUT i cannot understand how they can modify the car and have it returned to you with 0% power loss, This would be ideal but I just dont see how it can be done. If they could do it then surely they would have done it from the factory and save themselves from this "scandal". I have my CR 170 VRS remapped but under NO circumstances will I be taking it in to get "modified". 

Theres 2 option i can see.

1. Put new software on the car that reduces output power with no hardware changes.. 

2. New software with hardware changes that make the exhaust/DPF cleaner with regards to emmisions but more restrictive with regards to performance..

 

They have to do something and as far as i can see any change they make will negatively affect the car.

So do not return any cars to the dealers until you are 100% sure of what they are going to do..