Now VW say it could affect some petrol engines now. Surely by now they must know what is and what is not affected. That's why they have Vin numbers. Traceability

On the radio this morning they said it was likely to be those vehicles with small engines and low outputs.  At the moment that doesn't concern me!

On the radio this morning they said it was likely to be those vehicles with small engines and low outputs.  At the moment that doesn't concern me!

 

Ah I missed that bit.  I figured it would likely be the opposite and in fact the higher emissions (1.8/2.0 TSI) that would be affected.  £200 RT is already high enough for my liking.

VED is based on CO2 output, which isn't what the 'scandal' is about.

VED is based on CO2 output, which isn't what the 'scandal' is about.

 

But is now with whats come to light in the last day

Article on BBC News website: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34712435

But is now with whats come to light in the last day

Yes, apologies, I stand corrected. I only noticed that after posting.

From that BBC article:

"VW said it concerned mainly diesel but also some petrol models. A spokesman said VW, Skoda, Audi and Seat vehicles were affected. Cars with 1.4, 1.6 and 2.0 litre motors are thought to be releasing more of the greenhouse gas, CO2, than previous tests had shown."

We already know real life consumptions (therefore CO2 emissions) are 20% to 50+% higher than during standard tests.

And VAG is right in the average, probably a bit better than the other car manufacturers on this issue. I mean the gap is often higher by other manufacturers.

 

So we might wonder what VAG is looking for with this surprising announcement...

All cars that have been tested do not meet the official figures released.

This isn't just VAG hence why others haven't used this as a marketing boost.

Yes VAG cheated........but I'm guessing that the others are all very worried right now.

Personally I don't get why everyone is so upset about it, it's no different to fuel consumption, no cars get the "official" figures, yet we all accept this.

Yes VAG were wrong to do this and yes it's terrible for the environment, but I'd wager money they all do it!

Isn't the question whether VAG (petrol) cars actively cheat the tests with software built into the engine management system? Maybe other manufacturers do too, maybe they don't. All manufacturers bend the rules as far as they can but only VW have been caught using 'defeat devices'.

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One of the esteemed Briskoda members (that means I forget who) linked the official VW fuel saving guide in another topic a while back.

That had fuel consumption/speed/gear graphs for a VW Golf 90tsi manual in it.

Now even allowing for the fact that the Golf is lighter and has lower cd coefficient figures, my Octavia with 103tsi consumption figures are near identical to those published. Well upto 110kph anyway.

 

Perhaps someone at VW used  TMWNA consumption figures as an indicator of real life consumption. That would be a big mistake 

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£200 RT is already high enough for my liking.

£200? What engine do you have?

Link to a magazine from Belgium. Only in French:

http://www.moniteurautomobile.be/actu-auto/industrie-et-economie/affaire-vw-irregularites-co2-800000-voitures.html

 

The concerned petrol engine would be the 1.4 TSI ACT.

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All cars that have been tested do not meet the official figures released.

This isn't just VAG hence why others haven't used this as a marketing boost.

Yes VAG cheated........but I'm guessing that the others are all very worried right now.

Personally I don't get why everyone is so upset about it, it's no different to fuel consumption, no cars get the "official" figures, yet we all accept this.

Yes VAG were wrong to do this and yes it's terrible for the environment, but I'd wager money they all do it!

  +1, Are all criminals in prison, no, only the ones that got caught

£200? What engine do you have?

2.0TSI.  I pay montly (~£17) so £200 probably isn't the right amount.  It won't be less, I know that for sure ha

2.0TSI. I pay montly (~£17) so £200 probably isn't the right amount. It won't be less, I know that for sure ha

A Mk3 Octavia 2.0T isn't £200 a year to tax. £145 or 12 x £12.96 (£152) is what I'm seeing.

A Mk3 Octavia 2.0T isn't £200 a year to tax. £145 or 12 x £12.96 (£152) is what I'm seeing.

My thoughts exactly

So does this mean we will shortly have very few new cars being sold? We will pretty much be left with electric and that's it.

When it first came out that cheat devices were fitted to what is a minority of diesel vehicles sold worldwide, taking all diesel vehicles into the equation, a few people tried claiming that would be the end of diesel. Now we find that a minority of petrols may be affected in a CO2 scandal, assuming VW have been up to something similar. So based on some people's previous comments regarding diesel , I can only assume this means the end of petrol?

I don't think the general public care as much as the media would have us believe. I certainly don't care. And yes some VAG sales were down in Oct but others were also up. I'm sure I read the general tend for all car sales in the UK were down. So had there actually been any impact at all?

I agree with you, I'm not overly bothered by it as I'm happy with how the car is.

And more to the point which everyone seems to be missing is other cars tested in road use have not hit the co2 level which they are banded from the factory.

Some are 40-50% more co2. No one is contacting Ford, Peugeot, Mercedes-Benz asking for compo......so why should you for VAG?

Yes VAG should be fined for the cheat, but you can hardly agrue your point if other also cannot meet their supposed levels.

No doubt I'll be called the white knight defending VAG.......I'm not, just stating the facts, cars are not green if that's your argument get a f***ing push bike!

This is why I am even wondering if VAG did not raise this topic about CO2 level on the exact purpose to share the issue and responsibility with all manufacturers.

Not exactly uncommon knowledge that CO2 figures from the EU test are erring towards the realms of fantasy compared to the real world - but begs the question if they were doing an "on test" map for the diesels, why not for the petrols as well..

 

Maybe this is the reason that VAG products always seem to head the class when it came to CO2 figures by some margin.  I know some of it is due to the technology but its not as if other manufacturers aren't making small capacity turbocharged units with direct injection, yet can't overtake VAG.

 

I did always wonder given that (usually) an Audi or VW managed to have better figures than the equivalent Skoda or SEAT for the same engine in a near identical car, yet had bigger wheels and wider tyres (and usually more weight due to the added goodies).  Maybe the Skoda/SEAT ones were the closest to reality, yet the "value" cousins couldn't be seen to be better?

Not exactly uncommon knowledge that CO2 figures from the EU test are erring towards the realms of fantasy compared to the real world - but begs the question if they were doing an "on test" map for the diesels, why not for the petrols as well..

 

Maybe this is the reason that VAG products always seem to head the class when it came to CO2 figures by some margin.  I know some of it is due to the technology but its not as if other manufacturers aren't making small capacity turbocharged units with direct injection, yet can't overtake VAG.

 

I did always wonder given that (usually) an Audi or VW managed to have better figures than the equivalent Skoda or SEAT for the same engine in a near identical car, yet had bigger wheels and wider tyres (and usually more weight due to the added goodies).  Maybe the Skoda/SEAT ones were the closest to reality, yet the "value" cousins couldn't be seen to be better?

 

On the other hand, when looking at the gap between real world consumptions and EU test figures, VAG is not the worst of car manufacturer.

Meaning for me:

1) they are not the ones most cheating for CO2 values

2) their actual CO2 values in real world are generally pretty good.

According to auto express the 1.4 act petrol engine is implemented. Skoda only have that in the new superb don't they.