I would be very interested in this although I have a Skoda superb 3.6 petrol.

Are all cars suitable for oil extraction? It certain seems to make oil changes easier.

What's the sump capacity on the 3.6 V6?

 

The Pela 6000 is only good for 6 litres.

 

But other than that I can't see why it wouldn't work on this engine?

I think it's approx 5.5 litres. I had heard that it wasn't suitable for all engines but couldn't find a suitability list anywhere.

If it fits down your dip stick it will fine as you can tell how effective it is by how much oil it extracts compared to its normal capacity. I also use it to suck the old oil out of the oil filter housing too.

Does the capacity of them really matter? Surely all you need to do if you fill it up and still have oil to extract you just empty it out and carry on. Couldn't see myself ever getting one as while under the car doing the sump plug I find it a good time to have a look around and see if everything else is ok. 

Edited 31 January, 201610 yr by hatchy

Sure, you can empty them mid way through if needed, it just doubles the time it takes to change the oil that's all! 

What's the sump capacity on the 3.6 V6?

 

The Pela 6000 is only good for 6 litres.

 

But other than that I can't see why it wouldn't work on this engine?

 

Didn't work on my Superb II 2.0 TDI 140. I don't know whether the new dipstick design has prevented the tube from exiting the dipstick tube and into the sump but when i went to do an interim oil change before it went to the dealers for a service i couldn't get mine to suck any oil out

Interesting, I've not yet tried it on the Superb.

 

Now you've said that when it is time to do the Superb I'll buy a sump plug too just in case the Pela doesn't work.

 

I dropped it out the sump last time...

 

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/346425-oil-and-air-filter-change-skoda-superb-cr140-cffb/

 

But the engine undertray is plastic and nice and light. On the Scout it is thick steel!

Interesting, I've not yet tried it on the Superb.

 

Now you've said that when it is time to do the Superb I'll buy a sump plug too just in case the Pela doesn't work.

 

I dropped it out the sump last time...

 

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/346425-oil-and-air-filter-change-skoda-superb-cr140-cffb/

 

But the engine undertray is plastic and nice and light. On the Scout it is thick steel!

Let me know whether you manage it. My vac pump came with a few size tubes and I even tried the smaller one to what I have used before and I still couldn't get it in.

Depending on the car and sump design using the vac pump can leave 1-2 litres of oil in the sump so make sure you take a note of how much you get out. I did a 2.2 TDCi mondeo that should of had over 6 litres in it and I only got about 4 out of it.

On the PD engines I have used it on I've found it doesn't leave much in the bottom to worry about if you change your oil regularly

Will do.

 

That was one of the advantages of the Pela 6000, it has rings on the container at 1 litre intervals.

 

My BMM PD140 Scout holds 4.3 litres, I extracted enough oil to reach a few centimeters above the 4 litre ring so I am pretty confident I got it all out of the Octavia.

 

When the Superb is due I'll give it a try!

Will do.

 

That was one of the advantages of the Pela 6000, it has rings on the container at 1 litre intervals.

 

My BMM PD140 Scout holds 4.3 litres, I extracted enough oil to reach a few centimeters above the 4 litre ring so I am pretty confident I got it all out of the Octavia.

 

When the Superb is due I'll give it a try!

They all seem to have to level rings on them

 

I did have the one that you bought initially but I didn't like the fact that you have to sort of hold the pump onto the tank while you pump so i sent it back. The taller versions of the Pela and Sealey only require 1 hand to pump which is useful as you can use the other hand to poke around with the tube in the oil filter housing to get the oil out of there aswell

 

I've been taking a lot of radiators off in my house over the past 2 years and its really handy as you can crack the fitting and drain the radiator into a shallow container and then just continue to suck it out instead of having to empty it.

 

They really are a great invention

My Pela suffers with the pump pulling off the top of the bottle and needs to be held in place. Really annoying...

I found that once pressurised both hands were be free to manipulate the nozzle.

 

It is true that you need to support the barrel of the pump whilst pumping, but for me the advantage is that it all goes back in the box easily as the pump simply pops off.

 

I did look at the bigger Pela but some online feedback suggested that it was less stable and being taller it was harder to fit under the bonnet.

 

Maybe I was lucky but once the tube hit the bottom of the sump it didn't need moving again until it had finished, all very well behaved!

I found that once pressurised both hands were be free to manipulate the nozzle.

 

It is true that you need to support the barrel of the pump whilst pumping, but for me the advantage is that it all goes back in the box easily as the pump simply pops off.

 

I did look at the bigger Pela but some online feedback suggested that it was less stable and being taller it was harder to fit under the bonnet.

 

Maybe I was lucky but once the tube hit the bottom of the sump it didn't need moving again until it had finished, all very well behaved!

You would have to be a serious diddly to try and put the taller version under the bonnet, its meant to sit on the floor as it has plenty of tubing with it. (it has it's actually more sturdy than the smaller one as it has a flip out ring that you can put your foot on as well when pumping)

 

Whoever said it was unstable when using it in the engine bay call them an moron from me lol, I can't even imagine why you would think to try and rest it on the engine like you can with yours

 

My point about having a hand free is because if your sucking up a shallow amount of fluid you loose vacuum quick and have to pump continuously while getting the tube in all the crevices (gotta keep that OCD at bay) Just for sump draining I didn't find it a problem other than the oil capacity being too small for bigger engines

Edited 1 February, 201610 yr by SuperbTWM

Continuing to pump after the 'slurping' stage is quite a bad idea, as is stirring the tip of the extractor round at the bottom of the sump.  In the first case, if you create low pressure in the crankcase while oil is not circulating, you tend to 'unprime' the oil pump by sucking oil back out of it. In the second case, depending on maintenance history, there may be 'plated on' solid deposits on the floor of the sump that are completely harmless if left there. If you break them up and stir them up by excessively keen scavenging with your Pela extractor tube, they may become mobile and become excellent at clogging up your pick-up strainer.

I bought the small Pela a couple of years ago, tried it on my wife's old Polo with the BBY engine, I assumed that you stick the tube down the dipstick hole, pump down the vessel and walk away, return 10 minutes later to find the sump has been emptied, sadly in my case I was wrong and it needed about 10 repeat vessel pump downs and an hour to empty the sump!  So I gave up on that idea but use it on the mower, excellent for that, and maybe any cars I'd slightly over filled with new engine oil.

Basically this using it on the old Polo, was just a "dry run" prior to using it on my new Audi S4 as it has the plastic cased inverted oil filter, so essentially open bonnet with a hot engine, stuff the tube in the hole, pump down vessel, walk away, return maybe for another pump down, remove oil filter clean/replace and load oil in - well that was my plan!

So it hides in the garage, all properly cleaned waiting for another use.

I have had better luck with the Laser VAG oil filler funnel thing - when I remember that I bought one!

Urrggggh ! 

 

Not recommended long-term !

 

Leaves all the grit and micro metal shavings at the bottom of the sump which then aggregate. And then, in consequence. you'll have to periodically drop the sump plug, attempt to scrap-out the residue and use flushing oil.

 

I did this for  about a year  when, as a youngster,  before I was able to get a heliocoil repair on the stripped  drain plug thread of a motorcycle crankcase.

 

Remembering this is the era when manufacturers tell us that gearboxes can  be "Filled-for-life"  - yeah, sure, as I just found out to my detriment. 

 

 

Nick

Edited 2 February, 201610 yr by Clunkclick

Someone failed to read the first sentence of the first post...

Sales talk for  verbotten !

 

Into the valley rode the 600.

 

I just hope my main dealership is not doing this on the one year in three when they have me running around with top quality diesel oil (GTX for the other two years) in the sump of my petrol Fab, bearing in mind its highly detergent properties. Minimising the dirtying-up of the EGR shouldn't be paid for by loosing your crankcase bearings.

You got to live in hope !

 

Nick

Edited 2 February, 201610 yr by Clunkclick

Someone failed to read the first sentence of the first post...

Ditto

Ditto

Disagree. I have a Pela, I use it on one of my cars (tube too wide for others). I have experienced the problems I mentioned on two previous cars.  Wrong to try to help others avoid these problems?

Edited 2 February, 201610 yr by Wino

Since this thread was started to help me decide which pump to buy, and now I've bought one and now I am very happy with the results then I'm OK for you to all to discuss the pro's and con's of sucking vs. using the sump plug 

 

I have two Skoda's and have dropped the oil through the sump on the Superb and sucked it out using the Pela on the Octavia. I can see the arguments for and against.

 

As has been mentioned on here before, some Skoda franchised main dealers use engine flush prior to changing the oil. I'd imagine the flush is equally likely to dislodge any debris.

 

Also, both my cars (until recently) had full Skoda service history's, on both cars it is clear that the engine undertrays had never been removed suggesting the two dealers I use only suck out the oil.

 

I've only used the Pela once but I can be sure that the tube when all the way into the sump has very little wiggle room, certainly not enough for it to be manipulated around to a point you cold dislodge any deposits.

 

And finally the engine oil was almost hot. I'm not an expert but I'm fairly confident any loose grit, debris, iron filing etc. will have been held in the oil and extracted. The car holds 4.3 litres and I extracted 4.3 litres.

 

After trying both methods and after acting on the very generous help on here I'm now happy with sucking out the oil. Only time will tell but hopefully the old girl serves us well for another 8+ years!

Edited 3 February, 201610 yr by silver1011

I have a Pela and I have used it once. I didn't remove all the oil (around 3.3l when the Fabia takes 3.6l) but it was pretty painless. First oil change I had done. I think I let the oil cool down to much and it got thick towards the end....

Looking at buying a pela 6000 for my cr 170 octavia Has anyone changed their oil on this engine ? Does the tube Fit down the dip stick tube?

It fits down the dip stick tube on my CR140 which is largely the same engine as the CR170.