still on XP at home and just summoning up the courage to change to W7 to match my work laptop...   won't be going near W10 for a long time yet if I can help it!

 

There is another reason to get of XP. SSL certs.

 

There has been a game-changing development over the last 18months. Previously SSL was deemed to be for not that much, now there are enhancements in browsers, servers and certificate issuing and search that make it more attractive. A whole stack of other things too. In essence, more and more sites will be heading to SSL.

 

The changer is a service that issues SSL certs for free; not unique, in an automated regular basis. The problem is... XP might not work. Some deep down thing.

 

What does this mean... it means any site ( I think ) that is visted using IE8 or 6 will get an ssl error, maybe other browsers too. I don't believe there will be an update. In theory this URL will not work for you: https:///www.summit360.co.uk ( My site no bad place ) on XP with IE8... I don't have a copy of XP anymore. 

 

I know you're not visiting that site very often... but the briskoda certs run out soon, I was going to do another year on traditional certs then migrate. Some parts, i.e. not community, are already on the 'new' certs.

 

So that's just a heads up more than anything. I'm enjoying my windows10 experince, mostly as I'm in ubuntu bash all day, although to be fair even that is just ssh'ing to a dev server, so I could be using my msdn windows 2000 installs

I've had one or two issues with a couple of elements on the Computer Management (Services) side of things (Firewall, Defender & other bits) but nothing major, I then downloaded and installed the "Anniversary" Edition and did the upgrade, all went smoothly with the download completed in about 10 mins and the upgrade done in about 15-20'.

 

The upgrade fixed all of the update errors, the faults mentioned above and improved the response times of other elements. So I'm really happy with it.

The way that Microsoft have progressively stepped back from  providing a comprehensive in-house  Media  Player is a real PITA.

 

Particularly on 10, where  lot of the out-sourced  substitutes offered through the App store are complete **** and don't work.

 

When using 10, I'm having to use VLC player to playback DVDs, Adobe to do the streaming web video and Windows in-house media player to do streaming radio. This results in a rat's nest maze of file/app associations, producing some undesirable side effects.

 

For instance, if I want to play an .M3U streaming radio file on a player on my machines (Rather than using the in-built player which the service provider may embed on their website) then I have to use Windows media player. However, on clicking on the M3U file, the first thing to be pulled-up to screen is the Microsoft Edge window which then reports the source is invalid - presumably because, as default, it hasn't come equipped with the appropriate codec associations. Only by making Windows Media player the default  does the file play in the Windows Media Player window (So the codec is loaded on the machine). However, when WMP plays the file it does so within an emasculated Microsoft Edge Window.

 

It looks a right kittening mess.

 

The reason the Window is emasculated is that whilst you can re-map ME's file associations for HTTP and HTTPs and re- allocate them to another web browser (In may case Internet Explorer), you can't stop ME from taking control of URL's - the only way to do that is to remove ME entirely from W10, and because its a W10 core app, you can't remove it quickly and easily using the desktop,m you have to use a Powershell script. And yet for ll other purposes  is quite pleasant to use.

 

Excuse me for being a bit critical, but there are hundreds, if not thousands of streaming radio service providers out there, commercial and private, using the M3U format and their recently derived business models are built on the assumption that users will be able to quickly an easily locate and use their streaming product.

 

10-12 years ago, media on a desktop seemed to be sorted when Microsoft provided most of the apps. Now its tottally fragmented and difficult to use.

 

My view, the more they go on, the more Microsoft seem to sup from the well of cretinism.

 

 

Nick

Edited 12 August, 20169 yr by Clunkclick

I think that's the issue. 10-12 years ago this kind of stuff was the norm. It's been years since I've touched an Icecast or shoutcast server or used any sort of M3U streaming file. So I tried replicate your issue, I found a random M3U to stream. I opened up FF, clicked the link and it streamed instantly in the browser, not one issue. So I thought OK, lets try opening the link, FF opened up VLC plugin in the browser and it instantly streamed. Again, no issues.

I'd move from horrible quality M3U links to Ogg FLAC ~1Mb .PLS streaming. Yet, a browser should be able to handle everything you throw at it, if not there is always a plugin to help. ME and IE are just not up to scratch these days. Switch to FF or Chrome.

 

As for DVD's/Blurays Microsoft decided to remove the licensing for playback. But in all honesty.... Who uses a computer for DVD/Bluray playback these days, very few I think (not to say it doesn't happen).

 

We've moved more into a digital age now, and apps that do everything for us. I don't use ANY Microsoft apps from the store. VLC player is my go to media player for everything, long gone are the days installing codec packs and what not, it's simply not needed any more.

 

I think it's just a case of moving with the times and finding new ways of doing things. (In all honestly I didn't think Shoutcast was around any more, I thought it all died out!).

There is another reason to get of XP. SSL certs.

 

There has been a game-changing development over the last 18months. Previously SSL was deemed to be for not that much, now there are enhancements in browsers, servers and certificate issuing and search that make it more attractive. A whole stack of other things too. In essence, more and more sites will be heading to SSL.

 

The changer is a service that issues SSL certs for free; not unique, in an automated regular basis. The problem is... XP might not work. Some deep down thing.

 

What does this mean... it means any site ( I think ) that is visted using IE8 or 6 will get an ssl error, maybe other browsers too. I don't believe there will be an update. In theory this URL will not work for you: https:///www.summit360.co.uk ( My site no bad place ) on XP with IE8... I don't have a copy of XP anymore. 

 

I know you're not visiting that site very often... but the briskoda certs run out soon, I was going to do another year on traditional certs then migrate. Some parts, i.e. not community, are already on the 'new' certs.

 

So that's just a heads up more than anything. I'm enjoying my windows10 experince, mostly as I'm in ubuntu bash all day, although to be fair even that is just ssh'ing to a dev server, so I could be using my msdn windows 2000 installs

 

That could kind of force my hand then to upgrade to Win 7 then...

I think that's the issue. 10-12 years ago this kind of stuff was the norm. It's been years since I've touched an Icecast or shoutcast server or used any sort of M3U streaming file. So I tried replicate your issue, I found a random M3U to stream. I opened up FF, clicked the link and it streamed instantly in the browser, not one issue. So I thought OK, lets try opening the link, FF opened up VLC plugin in the browser and it instantly streamed. Again, no issues.

I'd move from horrible quality M3U links to Ogg FLAC ~1Mb .PLS streaming. Yet, a browser should be able to handle everything you throw at it, if not there is always a plugin to help. ME and IE are just not up to scratch these days. Switch to FF or Chrome.

 

As for DVD's/Blurays Microsoft decided to remove the licensing for playback. But in all honesty.... Who uses a computer for DVD/Bluray playback these days, very few I think (not to say it doesn't happen).

 

We've moved more into a digital age now, and apps that do everything for us. I don't use ANY Microsoft apps from the store. VLC player is my go to media player for everything, long gone are the days installing codec packs and what not, it's simply not needed any more.

 

I think it's just a case of moving with the times and finding new ways of doing things. (In all honestly I didn't think Shoutcast was around any more, I thought it all died out!).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_streaming_media_systems

The modern face of streaming ? . . IMHO . . Simples . . . it ain't !

This is the site I had been using to get my links:-

http://www.listenlive.eu/

The M3U links work perfectly on Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 (Using Windows Media Player) both of which I have running at the moment- that's not the problem. The problem is that on W10, clicking on these streams bring's up Microsoft Edge first, which states that the source is invalid, and then, secondly, Windows Media Player, which you have to click again to play the file, even though WMP I set as the default program for this file type.

Anyway, I have found this site:-

http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/mp3.asp

which seems to use the file type .PLS This seems to work directly in Edge and VLC. But my understanding is that the actual file format contained within the playlist is MP3 ?

So the meat's the same only the gravy changes.

Postscript

I found this list of OGG Vorbis streaming links:-

http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/other.asp

.

I see what you mean about the quality, much better, especially on 320K - courtesy of the loss-less compression that the OGG container provides ? And it plays directly in M. Edge. Result.

Cheers.

Nick

Edited 13 August, 20169 yr by Clunkclick

The underlying file in the OGG Vorbis link above is M3u8 !

 

Nick

Welcome

I may have fixed my "input methods"/keyboard/language issues.

 

Assuming English UK installed and UKX keyboard available.

 

 

Go to Control Panel  -> Language -> Advanced Settings

 

Change "Override for Windows Display Language" to "English (United Kingdom)"

Change "Override for default input method" to "English (United Kingdom) - United Kingdom Extended"

 

This also ditches the language list or "input methids" box in the tool tray.

I take it back. The vile input methods "tool" activates every now and then when I'm not looking. Only hope now is to set some arcane combination of keys that could never change it. :(

Tech news suggests that the Anniversary version breaks more than it fixes; after a year if fiddling with it, they have released a pre-Alpha !!!

 

Powershell is partially broken - and they issue an advisory to use powershell to get around it!!!

 

A lot of webcams and cameras dont work, even after firmware/software patches.

 

Several makes of laptop and tablet dont work.

 

Several Intel cpu/mobo + certain software combos dont work.

 

Right now, if MS announced they were releasing a photo of a circle, I would expect it to be an irregular rectangle shape, sketched in crayon.

 

 

 

 

BTW

 

Anyone have issues with FireFox yesterday? After booting the latest update, it ran like a donkey with four broken legs; pages were taking seconds to start rendering, images within the pages were taking even longer and it was locking up my 80Mbps internet connect every few seconds, locking out every other program from using it. I can usually leave a few FF pages open and still play LOTRO with no issue, but yesterday a single open page was enough to render the game unusable - close FF and the game played perfectly.

Edited 27 August, 20169 yr by GentleGiant

I've got no problems with the Anniversary update, its installed on my work laptop and a home use tablet and several VMs. 

 

We are about to roll it out at work, replacing Windows 7 with the latest build of 10. Just need to finalise the build and we are off.

I've got no problems with the Anniversary update, its installed on my work laptop and a home use tablet and several VMs.

We are about to roll it out at work, replacing Windows 7 with the latest build of 10. Just need to finalise the build and we are off.

No issues here either.

Issues seem to be only older kit that just about scraped the minimum requirements to run 10,and older hardware.

Anyone have issues with FireFox yesterday? After booting the latest update, it ran like a donkey with four broken legs; pages were taking seconds to start rendering, images within the pages were taking even longer and it was locking up my 80Mbps internet connect every few seconds, locking out every other program from using it. I can usually leave a few FF pages open and still play LOTRO with no issue, but yesterday a single open page was enough to render the game unusable - close FF and the game played perfectly.

Normal behaviour for Firefox lately. It's been getting worse with each update for nearly a year.

Ditched it for chrome, as have family. Chrome is so much faster and more responsive.

No idea what Mozilla are doing to Firefox, or why it's become so bloated & resource hungry

I haven't seen any issues with latest update either. Runs pretty well.

Its been fine today, I dont know what the issue was yesterday.

 

As for Win10 and "old tech", how old IS the i5 Skylake cpu series??*, as one of the big BSOD reports concerns i5 Skylake cpus, with a certain intel chipset mobo AND a certain AV software; any 2 of 3 and it seems to be fine.

 

*(Hint - less than 6 months).

By AV you don't happen to mean AVG & Avast?

My Boss at work had problems with his Avast after the recent updates. AVG has been problematic so he gave up on the freebies and paid up for Kaspersky.

By AV you don't happen to mean AVG & Avast?

 

Yeah, at least the boss of Avast came out and said their software was one of those linked to the BSOD; but then neither are particularly rare programs, so MS should have done better testing - so as I said, W10A is a pre-alpha release - ver 0.01

Yeah, at least the boss of Avast came out and said their software was one of those linked to the BSOD; but then neither are particularly rare programs, so MS should have done better testing - so as I said, W10A is a pre-alpha release - ver 0.01

Both have history for screwing up windows & browser installs in previous versions. Iirc it was Google who blocked an AVG add on because it created a security hole by messing with Windows beyond its scope as an AV software.

Perhaps they need to sack their programmers instead of blame Microsoft?

Both have history for screwing up windows & browser installs in previous versions. Iirc it was Google who blocked an AVG add on because it created a security hole by messing with Windows beyond its scope as an AV software.

Perhaps they need to sack their programmers instead of blame Microsoft?

 

How can you blame the software writers, when it ONLY occurs in combination with a brand new cpu family, specific mobo chipset and a specific not-really-ready-to-be-released operating system??

How can you blame the software writers, when it ONLY occurs in combination with a brand new cpu family, specific mobo chipset and a specific not-really-ready-to-be-released operating system??

 

its easy, rather than use correct programming techniques they have used a backdoor to save on coding time. Now that backdoor no longer exists because its been patched or whatever the software crashes. They maybe trying to query something which is now getting a response the software cannot deal with and it fails.

 

There is nothing wrong with the operating system, its the third party developers taking shortcuts.

Edited 28 August, 20169 yr by mannyo

This ^^^^

^^^ That.

So they have issued SPECIAL EDITION for Skylake cpus ??? How come this doesn't crash on ANY OTHER CPU/MOBO combo??