The battery as the new frontier

[lol-lol]

.......or the 'volume' control ))

 

Lots of choice in the Renault-Nissan onboard to fool yourself you are not driving a dull sound 4 cylinder car....

 

[Ryeman]

I once asked a tech outlet if I could get a surveillance bug ............I had to hastily explain I wanted to explore the possibility of piping the exhaust note through the radio at will.

He wasn't amused........he probably thought I was trying it on and it was just a story

[Ryeman]

Toyota will sell it's BEV car(s) by 2020 - not that long

.......said it was due to poor fuel cell sales; what did they expect?.http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1107466_toyota-battery-rd-will-allow-all-electric-car-in-a-few-years-likely-2020

[Ryeman]

Thousands of fast charging points across Europe - joint venture

http://www.marke****ch.com/story/bmw-daimler-vw-ford-in-electric-car-station-jv-2016-11-29

[Ryeman]

London's contribution to keeping droves flying perpetually

http://articles.sae.org/15077/

[Ryeman]

Two more BEV manufacturers

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1107532_lucid-nee-atieva-to-build-luxury-electric-cars-in-arizona-factory

and Mazda

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1107517_mazda-to-offer-electric-car-in-2019-maybe-with-range-extender

[Ryeman]

University of Bristol's 'Diamond Battery' research; recycling nuclear waste, it seems.

https://youtu.be/b6ME88nMnYE

Edited 30 November, 2016 by Ryeman

[Ryeman]

Assault on Tesla by fakes funded by..............those set to lose, apparently

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/04/elon-musk-trolling-us-conservatives-green-tech?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+main+NEW+H+categories&utm_term=202689&subid=7137672&CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

[Kandy]

TESLA is not a viable car company without insane levels of subsidy supported by deluded idiots like Obama, nothing fake about that.

 

Meanwhile in the real world, fossil fuels are here to stay - global primary energy consumption by source of production - you really think fossil fuel companies are bothered?

 

[Ryeman]

......you really think fossil fuel companies are bothered?

I'm pretty sure the Koch Bros are doing there best to derail alternatives........and they would probably agree with you on a lot of matters contrary to their financial interests

......they do a very nice line in post-truth financing also, if you're interested

Edited 5 December, 2016 by Ryeman

[lol-lol]

TESLA is not a viable car company without insane levels of subsidy supported by deluded idiots like Obama, nothing fake about that.

 

Meanwhile in the real world, fossil fuels are here to stay - global primary energy consumption by source of production - you really think fossil fuel companies are bothered?

 

 

The UK as a leading technology countries is producing half of its energy from clean non-fossil ie nuclear or renewables and it is the growing poor countries that are drving consumption of fossils....   https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/28/record-46-of-uks-electricity-generated-by-clean-energy-sources-in-2015

 

BP, known in the last century as British Petroleum, even changed its name to just BP and spent millions saying it was "Beyond Petroleum".

 

And the Arab countries right across the region are spending their billions in oil revenue on clean tech planning for the demise of oil as a fuel and it use as a chemical only.

 

All areas of the world are increasing their renewables faster than fossil  (page 3)....    http://www.irena.org/Quarterly/IRENA_Quaterly_2016_Q2.pdf

Edited 5 December, 2016 by lol-lol

[Ootohere]

Today on BBC Radio Scotland on a story about pollution that 1 in 3 new cars in Norway is an EV.

But then Norway is not stupid in that they export Oil & Gas & also Electricity that is cheaply generated by Hydro,

and then have the Electricity still that is cheap enough for the populations requirements.

[KenONeill]

And Norway has way more hydro (and I think more potential?) than most nations.

[Ootohere]

So much potential that they can take other Nations Excess Generated Electricity to store as Hydro then sell that on or re-import via the Interconnectors. Just a pity the UK Government never act on or see the bigger picture and went with contracts and importation that comes into the south of the UK from Continental European Countries that were ful EU Members.

Maybe things are going to change.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-36597451

Edited 5 December, 2016 by Offski

[KenONeill]

So much potential that they can take other Nations Excess Generated Electricity to store as Hydro then sell that on or re-import via the Interconnectors. Just a pity the UK Government never act on or see the bigger picture and went with contracts and importation that comes into the south of the UK from Continental European Countries that were ful EU Members.

Maybe things are going to change.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-36597451

But the cost of moving electricity from A to B is a direct function of how far A is from London!

[Ootohere]

It is the way the National grid is operated. But then that was UK governments choices on building lots of renewables Generation that gets the owners paid not to generate, and still pay other dirty sources to sit ready to be used and pay them all the time

Choices, and bad choices depending on those in power at the time signing power contacts. Now signed with China on the never never just pay the interest at WONGA type rates.

[lol-lol]

In the near future electric cars, and their second use storage cells, will become the electrical storage reservoir and will pass hydro-storage with a few years.... 

 

https://www.ft.com/content/7e75b7d2-169c-11e6-b197-a4af20d5575e

 

Electric car drivers to sell power back to National Grid

Nissan unveils scheme to help UK’s energy network smooth power peaks

Owners of electric cars in the UK will be able to sell power from their batteries back to the National Grid under a scheme unveiled by Nissan. Using special charging points, the National Grid will be able to draw electricity from car batteries at peak times as it tries to balance supply and demand.  The grid will then make sure the vehicles are fully powered by the morning by charging them at times of the night when there is excess capacity available.  The scheme, which will see 100 such “vehicle to grid” points installed across the UK in a collaboration between Nissan and power group Enel, may pave the way for a full rollout.  Paul Willcox, chairman of Nissan Europe, will tell the FT’s Future of the Car Summitin Central London on Wednesday that the “potential scale of vehicle-to-grid technology is enormous”.  “This is the first time this has ever been done in the UK and heralds an exciting era for energy management in this country,” he will say in a keynote address.  If all of the 18,000 Nissan electric cars in the UK were connected at once, their combined electricity output would be the same as a 180MW power station.  Although more details are still to be revealed, owners of cars that agree to take part in the scheme will be paid a sum to allow National Grid to access their cars through their home Nissan charging points.  “At National Grid we are constantly looking to the future to ensure we have the capacity to meet national energy demand,” said Steven Holliday, a National Grid director.  “That is why we support innovative technologies and pioneering projects such as this one that have the potential to make a real difference to the way we manage energy supply and demand.”  The rise of electric vehicles will place further strain on an electricity infrastructure system that is already stretched.  National Grid previously warned that the margin between supply and peak demand over the winter just gone was set to be as little as 1.5 per cent — compared to 17 per cent four years ago.  This is because, while the UK has closed many older polluting power stations, it has yet to replace them with greener alternatives. The company took precautionary measures to manage demand, including priming factories to shut down on cold winter evenings to ease the strain on the system. Nissan will also unveil a home battery pack this week, using the same technology that is in its Leaf cars and e-NV200 electric vans.  This battery — called an xStorage — can be linked to domestic solar panels, as well as to the mains electricity.  It will buy energy at night, when the price is cheaper as there is less demand, and use it to power the house during the day, cutting electricity bills for consumers.  The pack, which will cost €4,000 initially, is similar to one unveiled by Californian company Tesla last year.

[lol-lol]

Just seen the spec in the new buy Renault Zoe EV.  

 

They have almost doubled the battery capacity ie 22 Kw up to 41 Kw/hrs.

 

Thought they might go to 30 Kw/hrs like the Leaf since Nissan and Renault share much of the same parts bins.

 

250 mile range (NEDC) in perfect conditions but a practical range of 186 miles in summer but down to half NEDC in depths of winter.

Edited 8 December, 2016 by lol-lol

[Gromle]

Today on BBC Radio Scotland on a story about pollution that 1 in 3 new cars in Norway is an EV.

But then Norway is not stupid in that they export Oil & Gas & also Electricity that is cheaply generated by Hydro,

and then have the Electricity still that is cheap enough for the populations requirements.

Its more like 20% EV of those sold this year. At least according to an article I read the other day. The overall % of EV is much smaller.

Higher if you include hybrids.

And the reason for this is taxes. EV has no taxes, free parking and toll roads. While Ice cars has high taxes when bought and has to pay parking etc.

Edited 10 December, 2016 by Gromle

[lol-lol]

Its more like 20% EV of those sold this year. At least according to an article I read the other day. The overall % of EV is much smaller.

Higher if you include hybrids.

And the reason for this is taxes. EV has no taxes, free parking and toll roads. While Ice cars has high taxes when bought and has to pay parking etc.

 

Not just Norway but the other Scandinavian countries as well.  Has been up to 180% loading for dirty IC cars.

 

A different way of doing as we give credits for buying EV cars and motorbikes here in the UK ie 15%/£1500/£5K but more extreme.  Go luck to them to save the planet.  

 

[Breezy_Pete]

I imagine Scandinavia has very few cities with any significant air pollution problems to solve?

[Ryeman]

I remember LA used to look like Mumbai's back in th 70s.

Trump v LA the way things look today

[lol-lol]

I imagine Scandinavia has very few cities with any significant air pollution problems to solve?

 

Even a few deaths is a few too many.  

 

If London is 10K per year and Birmingham area 1500 deaths per year then even if Copenhagen, Gothenburg, Oslo, Stockholm, don't  think Finland is quite so bothered as the other Scandinavian countries even if the one in a thousand yard stick does not quite apply to these cities that but was reckoned to be one or two thousand for the whole of Sweden in a study of a few years ago..   

 

https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:710805/FULLTEXT01.pdf

Edited 10 December, 2016 by lol-lol

[lol-lol]

Maybe the new Zoe is the gamechanger for EVs....

 

http://www.nextgreencar.com/awards-2016/supermini/

 

Supermini WINNER
Renault Zoe Z.E. 40 – CO2 0 g/km – NGC 25

200+ mile range, fast charge capable. 2-3p a mile charging.

 

 

The new Renault Zoe Z.E. 40 looks like it could be a landmark car for the automotive industry, and the reason is simple; it offers far more range for its money than any other EV on the road. While most other electric cars launched in the last year have quoted ranges of 150 to 180 miles, Renault’s new offering is capable of 250 miles (200 miles real-world). The best news is that the rest of the car is also rather good. A light and airy cabin has benefitted from an equipment upgrade, and two new long-distance aiding apps are now available. The Zoe makes a perfect supermini, capable on the open road but excelling in busier traffic, running along almost silently and with zero-tailpipe emissions. In short, Renault took what was already a very good EV, and made it superb. Priced from £17,845 (inc Category 1 OLEV grant).

Edited 10 December, 2016 by lol-lol

[Ryeman]

A new breakthrough apparently - supercapacitors

http://www.carshowroom.com.au/news/charged-in-seconds-supercapacitors-to-revolutionise-evs/?utm_source=Carshowroom.com.au+Newsletter&utm_campaign=c5c9f4efca-CSR+Weekly+Wrap+-+9th+December+2016&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_bcb1d28852-c5c9f4efca-68448181