I take it 'nipping to the shops' involves a 100 mile round trip.

That is very naughty of the BBC.

It isn't a very large step to link your car charger to your calendar either.  I already get a nudge from my phone if there is traffic between me and my appointment.  If your charger knows where you need to be on any given day it can charge appropriately.  Just going to work <50 miles tomorrow?  It wouldn't worry about getting 100%.  Going to see Granny on Sunday - 200 mile round trip, it would prioritise charging.  The grid would benefit from the diversity and the user could benefit by purchasing electricity at variable rates, only when needed.  That's another way of managing this.  Offer variable rate tariffs that charge a premium during peak times and less during troughs in demand.  People would soon invest in smart chargers that take advantage of this.

2 minutes ago, dg360 said:

That is very naughty of the BBC.

It isn't a very large step to link your car charger to your calendar either.  I already get a nudge from my phone if there is traffic between me and my appointment.  If your charger knows where you need to be on any given day it can charge appropriately.  Just going to work <50 miles tomorrow?  It wouldn't worry about getting 100%.  Going to see Granny on Sunday - 200 mile round trip, it would prioritise charging.  The grid would benefit from the diversity and the user could benefit by purchasing electricity at variable rates, only when needed.  That's another way of managing this.  Offer variable rate tariffs that charge a premium during peak times and less during troughs in demand.  People would soon invest in smart chargers that take advantage of this.

We've had smart chargers in Victoria for a decade.

The BBC is probably dominated by humanities graduates and basically, like most journalists, hasn't got a clue about what's going on outside the world of authors and conductors.

Surely conductors are highly relevant to electric systems?

8 minutes ago, Ryeman said:

I take it 'nipping to the shops' involves a 100 mile round trip.

 

It does when the proles forced them to move to Manchester to work and you have to go to Cheshire to get a decent sourdough bread and a flat white (soy milk, decaf)

9 minutes ago, Wino said:

Surely conductors are highly relevant to electric systems?

Nah!

they're insulated from what's going on around them.

We don't have the technology YET  but for all electric car for the population but they have 20 plus years to develop       Before the next scrappage scheme for polluting batteries!

New lithium iron battery research -

https://www.cemag.us/news/2017/08/lithium-ion-batteries-will-get-more-efficiency-due-silicon-germanium-carbon-nanowalls?et_cid=6079565&et_rid=916553762&type=cta&et_cid=6079565&et_rid=916553762&linkid=https%3a%2f%2fwww.cemag.us%2fnews%2f2017%2f08%2flithium-ion-batteries-will-get-more-efficiency-due-silicon-germanium-carbon-nanowalls%3fet_cid%3d6079565%26et_rid%3d%%subscriberid%%%26type%3dcta

 

err, right

Not sure how absolutely accurate but...

 

 

^ Have Nissan got some link to Duracell? They seem to be trading on 'copper coloured' bits. 

37 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

Not sure how absolutely accurate but...

 

 

Oh yeah!

Why not?.

On 9/1/2017 at 09:19, Ryeman said:

Oh yeah!

Why not?.

 

Nissan has done its best to keep as much as possible under wraps until the Tuesday 5th September launch and many of the pictures are either renderings or pre-production pictures.

 

Looks like it will look much less Goofy than the Mk1 Leaf and will have a 40 kW-Hr battery with a possible option of a secondary battery to work in parallel.

 

It will be interesting to see if it has a quoted better range than their sister company's Zoe with 185 to 125 miles, depending on ambient temperature ie temperature of the battery pack.  

 

One wonders when there will be more tech in pre-heating the battery pack to take more charge when one has a longer journey.

 

With our lecky cars, Auto-Lib,  we keep the batteries quite warm to keep their charge and discharge capacity up.  Heard of owners doing various strategies to warm the battery pack to enable more charge to be accepted, particularly in the depths of winter when it would be most affected by low ambient.

 

14 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

Nissan has done its best to keep as much as possible under wraps until the Tuesday 5th September launch and many of the pictures are either renderings or pre-production pictures.

 

Looks like it will look much less Goofy than the Mk1 Leaf and will have a 40 kW-Hr battery with a possible option of a secondary battery to work in parallel.

 

It will be interesting to see if it has a quoted better range than their sister company's Zoe with 185 to 125 miles, depending on ambient temperature ie temperature of the battery pack.  

 

One wonders when there will be more tech in pre-heating the battery pack to take more charge when one has a longer journey.

 

With our lecky cars, Auto-Lib,  we keep the batteries quite warm to keep their charge and discharge capacity up.  Heard of owners doing various strategies to warm the battery pack to enable more charge to be accepted, particularly in the depths of winter when it would be most affected by low ambient.

 

I think the American expectations will surely result in at least a 200 mile range version if it's to be taken seriously.

21 hours ago, Ryeman said:

I think the American expectations will surely result in at least a 200 mile range version if it's to be taken seriously.

 

Yet I gather there are thousands of unsold Chevy Bolts.

 

Shame they are not Right Hand Drive as I would say send them over here.

 

Customs Duties on full electric cars needs dropping to zero IMO though Nissan-Renault may fight that to protect jobs in Sunderland and Paris. 

So Nicola Sturgeon MSP & First Minister Scotland is going to have the A9 in Scotland EV  Vehicle / Driver friendly so we will see if that is sooner rather than later.

Looking forward to some decent stopping and charging points along the length.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-41147003 

 

Maybe she can sort out a bit sooner the Radio & Mobile Phone reception along much of the A9, or at least ensure that there is at least some reception so that at least Radio Scotland can be heard for Traffic Announcements & people can check online sites that Tax Payers foot the bills for like

http://trafficscotland.org   while mobile, which currently you can not on quite a bit of the A9 while travelling.

Edited 5 September, 20178 yr by Headinawayoffski

Some positive 'longevity' stories -

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1112465_tesla-model-s-durability-cars-with-250k-and-300k-miles-still-humming-along-happily

A much more attractive Leaf -

https://www.goauto.com.au/future-models/nissan/leaf/first-look-new-generation-nissan-leaf-revealed/2017-09-06/65329.html

and

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1112503_2018-nissan-leaf-debuts-150-miles-for-30875-200-plus-miles-in-2019?mc

 

I can see US adapting to IT.

Edited 6 September, 20178 yr by Ryeman

15 hours ago, Ryeman said:

A much more attractive Leaf -

https://www.goauto.com.au/future-models/nissan/leaf/first-look-new-generation-nissan-leaf-revealed/2017-09-06/65329.html

and

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1112503_2018-nissan-leaf-debuts-150-miles-for-30875-200-plus-miles-in-2019?mc

 

I can see US adapting to IT.

 

Bit disappointed with the spec ie only 40 kW-H battery as standard.  Nissan state a maximum of 235 mile range.

 

Probably similar to the Zoe in real conditions.

 

We do not know what the UK Price will be.  $30K translates to about £24K but then we always see to pay more than the equivalent rate of exchange, even if the cars are made here in the UK.

 

Autocar predict a £27k price but also 0-62 in 8 second ie quicker than a most diesel VRSs ! 

 

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/nissan-leaf-2018-prototype-review-new-ev-driven

 

 

  

 

Edited 6 September, 20178 yr by lol-lol

14 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

Bit disappointed with the spec ie only 40 kW-H battery as standard.  Nissan state a maximum of 235 mile range.

Quote

Nissan claims the new Leaf’s 40 kWh battery will provide 150 miles of range under EPA testing. That’s a significant improvement over the 107-mile range eked out by the previous model’s 30 kWh battery, but doesn’t match the Bolt and Model 3’s respective EPA ratings of 238 and 220 miles.

 

2 hours ago, moley said:

 

 

With almost the same battery as the Zoe, ZE40, the range should be similar at 185 miles in the summer and 125 miles in the depths of winter but the acceleration sounds very decent.

 

60 Kw version of the Leaf will be good for 350 miles NEDC but more like 250 miles real in summer and 190 miles winter so not too shabby if you have good home and work charging.

 

Apparently Bolt not selling too well.  I thought I heard the first Model 3s would be the $40k version though it does look worth the wait.

 

 

The water solution -

http://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2017-09-07/safer-lithium-ion-batteries-closer-to-reality/8869748?WT.mc_id=newsmail&WT.tsrc=Newsmail

I like that the Scot Gov is trying to be green before Westminster...what I find even funnier is that they have ignored the elephant in the room..along with quite a few other Gov departments etc...

 

The existing electrical supply infrastructure cannot cope with the projected demand...

 

a slow charge is 3kw (basically using a socket/plug point from your existing 100A fuse board)

 

a fast charger is 7kw to 22kw which is a separate 100A supply & meter.

 

Rapid 43kw to 50kw...three phase & industrial type supply...

 

Basically fitting another supply to most housing, increasing the demand on the installed supply cables, transformers, substations, power stations...we are all ready in risk of brown outs due to very limited "surplus supply" generation.

 

With all the small towns, villages, houses, hamlets etc in Scotland that's ALOT of infrastructure to replace.....& whose paying for that?...I can see huge electricity price increases..

Nicola & Keith have discovered a money tree, maybe in the City of Discovery.

So Billions available to get that infrastructure in place PDQ.

Low emissions access areas coming soon to a Scottish City near you soon. 

(Oddly Taxi & Busses will still get to have access and sit with Diesel Engines running even when not In Service.)

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-40874569 

 

As to Electricity prices they are around the highest Tarrifs in the UK, certainly north of Perth, 

but nice free charging places in Dundee and many more coming,  so where plenty cheap electricity can be generated if Land Owners / Companies / Lord Nicol Stephens and cronies are not being paid to not generate because the National Grid does not need it and there is not enough Storage in Scotland or Interconnectors 

to Norway for Hydro storage.

 

Local Generation is not rocket science now that Scotland has so many wind turbines / farms, more going offshore including floating, 

Solar farms built and more approved & Hydro generation already.

Just need that Carbon Capture built off Peterhead and pretty much there, considering under 6 million population in  Scotland, 

then visitors, and there are not 6 million personal or public transport vehicles needing charging.

Edited 7 September, 20178 yr by Headinawayoffski

1 hour ago, fabdavrav said:

I like that the Scot Gov is trying to be green before Westminster...what I find even funnier is that they have ignored the elephant in the room..along with quite a few other Gov departments etc...

 

The existing electrical supply infrastructure cannot cope with the projected demand...

 

a slow charge is 3kw (basically using a socket/plug point from your existing 100A fuse board)

 

a fast charger is 7kw to 22kw which is a separate 100A supply & meter.

 

Rapid 43kw to 50kw...three phase & industrial type supply...

 

Basically fitting another supply to most housing, increasing the demand on the installed supply cables, transformers, substations, power stations...we are all ready in risk of brown outs due to very limited "surplus supply" generation.

 

With all the small towns, villages, houses, hamlets etc in Scotland that's ALOT of infrastructure to replace.....& whose paying for that?...I can see huge electricity price increases..

 

Nah.

 

A 7kw home charger is less than many showers and goes straight in on the 30A main.   Can be set to charge on quiet overnight Economy 7/10 cheap charge ie 2 or 3p per Kw hour, free on Saturday or Sunday day time with some suppliers.  

 

There have been some issues in remote country areas, my Renault garage is out in the sticks so they have only got 3 kw chargers which is a bit pants but that will change with more static battery cells swapped out from EVs when the get their existing battery uprated ie 22 to 41 kW-H units.

 

Homes should be using less power in other areas as they moved to LED etc low powered lighting etc so more for EVs which will take the power when their is a surplus from Nuclear base load and renewables and even supply it back to the grid it it runs short and is profitable for the EV owner to do so.  Even Jaguar, like all car makers, know the future is electric and not hydrocarbon fuels though maybe hydrogen could play a part.   

 

 

 

 

The pilot battery storage schemes are in place to see how it all works out from solar, turbines or renewables, and there are housing schemes with the charge points & parking mandatory already being built or planning passed.

Various solutions to not exactly major difficulties are already in place and more technologies are being applied.

Car Parking  @ Work Places, shopping centres etc is not such a big deal as new ones are approved by planning.

 

Not doing something about pollution is more expensive than spending where infrastructures need updating anyway.

Park & Ride Hubs and charging points at these is an answer to congestion in cities and towns anyway, 

and Commercial / Haulage Hubs are coming anyway to have 'Last Mile' deliveries.

Time the Train Hubs were sorted and stop HGV's travelling the A9 from Stirling to Perth or Inverness with no drops inbetween when the containers could be travelling by rail, or the lorry could be.

 

Blue Sky thinking,  & Dundee has the bluest skies on the East Coast.  

http://bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-scotland-39185122/dundee-leads-electric-car-revolution 

 

Maybe Aberdeen, Inverness, Perth, Edinburgh need to get a shift on and Glasgow do more than they have so far.

Edited 7 September, 20178 yr by Headinawayoffski