EU referendum/Brexit discussion - Part 1

[Sad555]

Yes the national debt really did rise since we joined the EU.

[lol-lol]

Yes the national debt really did rise since we joined the EU.

 

FYI.  It was about half, maybe two-thirds, what it is now when we joined in 1973.

 

Edited 12 July, 2016 by lol-lol

[lol-lol]

Or one from when we joined the single market in 1993....

 

[Breezy_Pete]

^ That blue one's just cheered me up. We're not doing so badly after all. Only just above the noise floor.

Edited 12 July, 2016 by Wino

[gadgetman]

2nd referendum is up for debate?

Not sure if it'll be of any use!

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If nothing else it should allow us to formalise some rules on referendums going forward, as this one was pretty much a political car crash.

[mender]

Petition email response today:

 

You recently signed the petition “EU Referendum Rules triggering a 2nd EU Referendum”:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

The Petitions Committee has decided to schedule a House of Commons debate on this petition. The debate will take place on 5 September at 4.30pm in Westminster Hall, the second debating chamber of the House of Commons. The debate will be opened by Ian Blackford MP.

The Committee has decided that the huge number of people signing this petition means that it should be debated by MPs. The Petitions Committee would like to make clear that, in scheduling this debate, they are not supporting the call for a second referendum. The debate will allow MPs to put forward a range of views on behalf of their constituents. At the end of the debate, a Government Minister will respond to the points raised.

A debate in Westminster Hall does not have the power to change the law, and won’t end with the House of Commons deciding whether or not to have a second referendum. Moreover, the petition – which was opened on 25 May, well before the referendum – calls for the referendum rules to be changed. It is now too late for the rules to be changed retrospectively. It will be up to the Government to decide whether it wants to start the process of agreeing a new law for a second referendum.

The Petitions Committee is a cross-party group of MPs. It is independent from Government. You can find out more about the Committee on its website: http://www.parliament.uk/petitions-committee/role

Thanks,
The Petitions team
UK Government and Parliament

[Sad555]

I want to raise a petition against, Against this petition so we don't have another petition but if we have a petition can it be called the bad losers petition so that for the first time in our history a minority vote is considered a majority vote over a majority vote like in many African and south American countries

Edited 13 July, 2016 by Sad555

[Scribbler]

I just hope any referendum doesn't involve 2 campaigns again.

The government simply give us the facts

 

Good track record there. Facts like Sadam could deploy WMD's in 45minutes?

 

You wont be getting another referendum, debated or not.

[lol-lol]

UK - EU Trade negotiations post Article 50 invocation........

 

 

[countryboy]

I voted remain, but a majority of the UK voted to leave. We are a democracy and abide by result of the referendum. Over the next few days, weeks, months and years some leave voters will find that many of the promises regarding the economy and immigration made by the leave campaign were exaggerated, by then it will be too late.

Trouble is Moley, the majority of the UK didn't vote to leave, it was only 51.9% of 72% of the eligible voters who wanted to stay in other words 37.67% of the eligible population as a whole, barely over a third. Though at the end of the day with that being the case I am with you, on the side of remain but now the deed is done, we have to live with the consequences and fall out of the lies and rhetoric of the polititians and move on with the reality that UK is going to be a state, independant of, but trading with and therefore subject to the rules of trade with the EU. It is definitely going to be the bumpier road of the two that could have been chosen.

Ian

[Sad555]

If you compare those stats in that way only 49% of 72% voted to stay and if you apply the same principles to the general elections you would never have any government elected and a majority is a majority not a specific number or percentage in fact 1 is a majority .

[Scribbler]

Trouble is Moley, the majority of the UK didn't vote to leave, it was only 51.9% of 72% of the eligible voters who wanted to stay in other words 37.67% of the eligible population as a whole, barely over a third. Though at the end of the day with that being the case I am with you, on the side of remain but now the deed is done, we have to live with the consequences and fall out of the lies and rhetoric of the polititians and move on with the reality that UK is going to be a state, independant of, but trading with and therefore subject to the rules of trade with the EU. It is definitely going to be the bumpier road of the two that could have been chosen.

Ian

 

That just means that those that didn't vote are either ineligible, to stupid or didn't give a toss. Therefore its still a majority. What's next we hold a séance to find out which way the dead would have voted. Its nothing more than sour grapes stop dressing it up as anything else.

[countryboy]

That just means that those that didn't vote are either ineligible, to stupid or didn't give a toss. Therefore its still a majority. What's next we hold a séance to find out which way the dead would have voted. Its nothing more than sour grapes stop dressing it up as anything else.

No sour grapes involved Scribbler, in fact I'm looking forward to seeing what the results of the fallout will be and how we can move forward. This was a completely different stuation to a general election where the population are voting for one of multiple candidates for your electoral division to become your MP. The party which has the most MP's becomes the governement, be that a majority one, like which happened this time, or a minority which happened last time and resulted in a coalition.

 

This EU referendum was a simple yes or no for the population as a whole to decide, 38% decided to leave, 34% decided to stay and the other 38% either couldn't be bothered or were so indecicive as to not bother so if they are now crying wolf over the results then tough, they should have got off their collective backsides and had their say. Having not done so the majority of those who could be bothered to vote did so to leave, which at the end of the day was still a lot less than half of the eligible population. If people are whinging about it then they only have themselves to blame. Campaigning for a second referendum is just like the spoilt brat causing a fuss because they didnt' get their way.

 

It has happened so let's get on and move forward with it!

 

Ian

[gadgetman]

Good track record there. Facts like Sadam could deploy WMD's in 45minutes?

You wont be getting another referendum, debated or not.

By referendum I mean any future ones, and the important one on any eu deal

[Sad555]

Thought I'd have a look as its gone a bit quiet on here but the tumble weed is blowing by like a ghost town

[lol-lol]

Thought I'd have a look as its gone a bit quiet on here but the tumble weed is blowing by like a ghost town

 

Well the EU Referendum did boost the Overseas Bond element of my pension by thousands of pounds taking it from the worst element in my portfolio to the second strongest one so cheers Leavers for that.

 

Also, being a customs specialist there will be billions of pounds of a new area of business in doing the customs entries to the 44% of the UK's trade's that is with the Remaining EU countries so double thanks for the Leaves for that too.

 

It is like Birthday and Xmas rolled in to one.

 

(Sorry about the high higher expense of importing goods and all the bureaucracy that goes with it but silver linings do have clouds sometimes).

[skomaz]

Well the EU Referendum did boost the Overseas Bond element of my pension by thousands of pounds taking it from the worst element in my portfolio to the second strongest one so cheers Leavers for that.

 

Also, being a customs specialist there will be billions of pounds of a new area of business in doing the customs entries to the 44% of the UK's trade's that is with the Remaining EU countries so double thanks for the Leaves for that too.

 

It is like Birthday and Xmas rolled in to one.

 

(Sorry about the high higher expense of importing goods and all the bureaucracy that goes with it but silver linings do have clouds sometimes).

 

FFS - will you please STOP going on about your bloody pension - it's nearly every post and you're like a stuck record...   We REALLY DON'T CARE what your pension pot is doing...   and the same goes for your constant bleating about being a customs man and all the new business you'll have to deal with...   it's old news, getting VERY boring and again we really don't care...

 

Message to the Mods - Apologies for the outburst...   but sometimes someone has to stand up and say these things...

[Eddie-NL]

Well the EU Referendum did boost the Overseas Bond element of my pension by thousands of pounds taking it from the worst element in my portfolio to the second strongest one so cheers Leavers for that.

 

Also, being a customs specialist there will be billions of pounds of a new area of business in doing the customs entries to the 44% of the UK's trade's that is with the Remaining EU countries so double thanks for the Leaves for that too.

 

It is like Birthday and Xmas rolled in to one.

 

(Sorry about the high higher expense of importing goods and all the bureaucracy that goes with it but silver linings do have clouds sometimes).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON-7v4qnHP8

[moley]

Trouble is Moley, the majority of the UK didn't vote to leave, it was only 51.9% of 72% of the eligible voters who wanted to stay in other words 37.67% of the eligible population as a whole, barely over a third. Though at the end of the day with that being the case I am with you, on the side of remain but now the deed is done, we have to live with the consequences and fall out of the lies and rhetoric of the polititians and move on with the reality that UK is going to be a state, independant of, but trading with and therefore subject to the rules of trade with the EU. It is definitely going to be the bumpier road of the two that could have been chosen.

Ian

The result of the referendum is what it is and an average of 72% were interested enough to bother voting. I voted remain and was quite shocked on the Friday morning when the result was to leave, but I always thought whatever the outcome I will put up and get on with it. However since the nation decided to leave I have felt the decision might actually be the correct one. Time will tell.

[essexalan]

By referendum I mean any future ones, and the important one on any eu deal

Doubt that you will see one of those probably a GE first but not before 2020. Depends on just how tough the EU are going to be the next few months will be interesting to say the least.

[Ootohere]

'Bothered Voting' & 'The Population' as mentioned in other posts has nowt to do with anything.

 

People can be ill, living abroad, travelled abroad and not having applied for a postal vote,so have a vote and maybe not using it,

maybe they are old and deciding that they will not vote etc.

Or just 'could not decide'.

 

The Referendum happened and those that did vote had those counted, the 'Leave' won, simples really.

[Sad555]

You only know what your pension is worth just before/when you get it ,until then it's just speculation ,a bit like the stock market.

[essexalan]

Sounds like one of those EU bureaucrats we voted to get rid of. Now what did Farage say about them?

[gadgetman]

Perhaps we should adopt the compulsory voting system of some other countries?

If you're registered, you vote or get a fine. Works well in Australia I understand

[essexalan]

No need for compulsion, if you don't want to vote then don't bother registering. If you don't agree with what you are voting for then spoil your ballot paper.