i'd love to hear if there were any approved skoda remaps.

i came to skoda after 10 years with Volvos - the latest being a 185 diesel xc90 which i had remapped to 230 bhp and a 25% torque increase. I went with a Swedish tuning firm mod, but it would have affected the warranty if it had problems. Volvo later released its own approved polestar mod. the xc90 was not a race car - 1st/2nd gear was relatively unchanged, but hit the pedal in 3rd and it felt like a minor earthquake under the bonnet which was fantastic for overtaking. Yet sit on the motorway cruising at 65/70 and the fuel economy was 15% better than before remap. 0-60 was reduced by around 1.5 seconds which took it from a bit of a slouch to almost keeping up with an early model Audi Q7.

 

in honesty, I sold the idea to the wife on "economy", but if you use the extra torque you use more fuel.

 

I've got a Nov 2016 S3 Combi Sel-Exec 190 dsg. Economy mode and normal road feels pants. Sport mode is good. I've tried the Audi "pedal" mod and didn't notice anything. i'd like another c.30bhp just to make an already quick car faster.

 

If skoda had offered the more potent Audi diesel in the S3 i'd have got that. I didn't go for a higher powered Audi, BMW or Merc from the outset as their 2 litre similar spec models were c.£6k more but power not too different, so you're looking c.£10k more than the £31k list price of mine for a 3litre. If I could get a little more power from mine for c.£500 on a remap, and save £9k in the process i'd be more than happy with that. I suspect Volvo approved the polestar mod as they did not offer a more powerful car - I expect VW/Audi/Skoda will not want to do the same otherwise people will avoid the 3 litre jobs and settle for a 2 litre with remap.

. I've tried the Audi "pedal" mod and didn't notice anything. i'd like another c.30bhp just to make an already quick car faster.

 

Audi pedal mod?

 

. I've tried the Audi "pedal" mod and didn't notice anything. i'd like another c.30bhp just to make an already quick car faster.

 

Audi pedal mod?

 

 

Info in the VCDS thread.

 

Honestly I can't recommend the DTUK prodcut enough, it's absolutely fantastic and takes 10 mins to fit on a diesel (it's only 3 sensors). Give the guys there a call, and you also get a discount for being a Briskoda member  :clap:

+1

 

I have driven my MK2 CR 170 with DTUK CRD T+ box now for 90 000 kilometers without any problems. 225 HP and 470 Nm after box installed. Cannot still get the smile off my face.

i'd love to hear if there were any approved skoda remaps.

I didn't go for a higher powered Audi, BMW or Merc from the outset as their 2 litre similar spec models were c.£6k more but power not too different, so you're looking c.£10k more than the £31k list price of mine for a 3litre. If I could get a little more power from mine for c.£500 on a remap, and save £9k in the process i'd be more than happy with that. I suspect Volvo approved the polestar mod as they did not offer a more powerful car - I expect VW/Audi/Skoda will not want to do the same otherwise people will avoid the 3 litre jobs and settle for a 2 litre with remap.

I believe VW dealers often use http://www.revotechnik.com to remap some of their demo models. That 210bhp Golf GTI demo car was in fact running 265bhp+, just so it blew your socks away on the test drive and you placed an order! Who's to say that Audi, Seat and Skoda don't do the same thing! Probably not VAG sanctioned, more likely done by the dealer to generate sales as the risk/reward factor is mostly positive.

I'm sure many of the dealers do this, but I know that Midland VW were pro remap as long as it was done via them and by an approved tuner. Ask your stealer if they have ever remapped any of their demos, and if so with whom.

If you are thinking of a remap, all I would say is to seriously analyse your daily driving routes and style before you take the plunge. The reason is that more power in a diesel (at least) means more soot for your DPF to burn off. If your daily routes don't give the DPF a chance to passively or actively regenerate, you will end up with a car in limp home mode and a possible very expensive DPF replacement!

Food for thought....

Edited 8 July, 20169 yr by blahde2

On 6/26/2016 at 17:41, grenness said:

I see that Superchips offer a remap;

http://www.superchips.co.uk/search?make=33&fueltype=2&model=143&variant=3268

with a 62NM / 32HP gain.

 

 

They have now posted an anonymous customer testimonial on their webpage:

 

Quote

Your revised map for my Superb 190PS DSG is beautiful. Changeup and down is perfect and the engine is smooth and responsive through all the range. Perfect! Thanks a million
Mike F
Cornwall, UK

23rd March, 2017

 

After my Superb has now rolled nearly 7.000km I start to think it's ready for it's first oil and filter change, and remap... :-)

 

Edited 6 April, 20179 yr by grenness

On 6/30/2016 at 20:02, vtec to vrs! said:

Well not to be funny, you should have read what I put more carefully....

I completely agree with you 100%, remapping is detectable, and fairly easily now by the equipment VAG have.

What I was recommending isn't a remap, but a plug-in tuning module that doesn't alter the parameters of the ECU, but takes the signals from the Common Rail, Boost, and Cam Position sensors and optimises them after the ECU. Thus when you disconnect the system it isn't traceable, nor does it leave any marks in the checksum data in the ECU.

Have a look for yourself...

Www.dtuk-performance.co.uk

Not strictly true...

 

Whilst there's no TD1 flag, checksum discrepancies or similar (which you will get with a remap, if connected online to the VAG mainframe) the use of a tuning box can be detected, even with it removed completely.

 

The boost and fueling logs could be used to identify that the car has been running outside of it's stock parameters.  Though the likelihood of most technicians having the knowledge or inclination to investigate and identify this would be rare, but to say it's completely undetectable simply isn't true.   Though I'm sure a manufacturer would dig further if they had reason to believe something was amiss, especially if it was to wriggle out of an expensive drivetrain claim, should something go bang.

 

Tuning box sellers often like to make out that this is the case as it gives them one advantage (probably the only one) over a remap.  

3 minutes ago, penguin17 said:

Not strictly true...

 

Whilst there's no TD1 flag, checksum discrepancies or similar (which you will get with a remap, if connected online to the VAG mainframe) the use of a tuning box can be detected, even with it removed completely.

 

The boost and fueling logs could be used to identify that the car has been running outside of it's stock parameters.  Though the likelihood of most technicians having the knowledge or inclination to investigate and identify this would be rare, but to say it's completely undetectable simply isn't true.   Though I'm sure a manufacturer would dig further if they had reason to believe something was amiss, especially if it was to wriggle out of an expensive drivetrain claim, should something go bang.

 

Tuning box sellers often like to make out that this is the case as it gives them one advantage (probably the only one) over a remap.  

 

Never proven rumours of detecting a tuning box. Never happened and very much doubt it ever will.

Automotive systems are pared down to the minimum cost concurrent with safety, durability and performance requirements; they don't have memory to spare for data logging.

1 hour ago, micloi said:

 

Never proven rumours of detecting a tuning box. Never happened and very much doubt it ever will.

Explain how Bury Audi told my friend to leave his tuning box on in future for routine servicing and only remove for warranty work? 

 

Also why do DTUK and co advise to wait 5+ mins after opening the bonnet before attaching the harness?  Residual current my ar53 it's so the ECU goes back to sleep in order to minimise the faults codes that can be generated when the ECU detects something isn't quite right.   I've seen multiple posts on other VAG forums where people remove the the boxes and then clear the faults down with VCDS before visiting dealers.  All bread crumbs.

 

 

23 minutes ago, D402 said:

Automotive systems are pared down to the minimum cost concurrent with safety, durability and performance requirements; they don't have memory to spare for data logging.

VCDS has the Advanced Measuring Blocks no?  For starters I'm sure that can log rail pressure, boost pressure and injection timing, to name a few.   

 

BUT does an external memory device or logging tool need to be plugged into the OBD port in order for that to be logged? 

Edited 6 April, 20179 yr by penguin17

10 minutes ago, penguin17 said:

Explain how Bury Audi told my friend to leave his tuning box on in future for routine servicing and only remove for warranty work? 

 

Also why do DTUK and co advise to wait 5+ mins after opening the bonnet before attaching the harness?  Residual current my ar53 it's so the ECU goes back to sleep in order to minimise the faults codes that can be generated when the ECU detects something isn't quite right.   I've seen multiple posts on other VAG forums where people remove the the boxes and then clear the faults down with VCDS before visiting dealers.  All bread crumbs.

 

 

If you disconnect/connect it without waiting a few minutes vcds records a soft error (same error it would record if you removed and connected a plug, nothing to do with the box per se). 

 

Clearing the codes a good practice but they cannot prove a box was connected, just that a plug was disconnected with the battery connected and without the systems shut down first with the bonnet open for a few minutes. 

 

I have plenty of experience with this and first hand information from VW and Audi technicians. 

 

Of course we can agree to disagree, it's a democracy after all

7 minutes ago, penguin17 said:

VCDS has the Advanced Measuring Blocks no?  For starters I'm sure that can log rail pressure, boost pressure and injection timing, to name a few.   

Yes, they log these IF you choose to and on your laptop. So if you don't choose to log with the box connected and hand the file over to Skoda you should be fine. But again agree to disagree etc. Not starting an argument and won't be posting further on the subject. 

1 minute ago, micloi said:

If you disconnect/connect it without waiting a few minutes vcds records a soft error (same error it would record if you removed and connected a plug, nothing to do with the box per se). 

 

Clearing the codes a good practice but they cannot prove a box was connected, just that a plug was disconnected with the battery connected and without the systems shut down first with the bonnet open for a few minutes. 

 

I have plenty of experience with this and first hand information from VW and Audi technicians. 

 

Of course we can agree to disagree, it's a democracy after all

Cool thanks for elaborating.  I'm happy to learn and hear different info; all part of what makes user forums so helpful 

I often think about the myriad opinions that are given for and against various methods of increasing power & torque on forums. Usually I mull these points over when I'm doing 4mph along the M6 at Sandbach thinking "Wouldn't it be great to have 30 extra hp about now..."

 

My Fabia VRS was mapped to 190HP and 342NM before I bought it all those years ago and nothing (with the exception of a Tesla Model S I was lucky enough to be in as a passenger not long ago or my neighbours A45 AMG) has compared to being shoved down a road by 342 torques in a car the size and weight of a spaniel.

I do wonder what the obsession is with mapping huge cars (that is what a superb is after all) but then I do spend 20000 miles a year in motorway traffic being more grateful that the seats are comfy and I have Spotify than about my ability to beat a sales manager from 50mph to 90mph at the end of the average speed camera section.

8 minutes ago, BigBadRob said:

I often think about the myriad opinions that are given for and against various methods of increasing power & torque on forums. Usually I mull these points over when I'm doing 4mph along the M6 at Sandbach thinking "Wouldn't it be great to have 30 extra hp about now..."

 

My Fabia VRS was mapped to 190HP and 342NM before I bought it all those years ago and nothing (with the exception of a Tesla Model S I was lucky enough to be in as a passenger not long ago or my neighbours A45 AMG) has compared to being shoved down a road by 342 torques in a car the size and weight of a spaniel.

I do wonder what the obsession is with mapping huge cars (that is what a superb is after all) but then I do spend 20000 miles a year in motorway traffic being more grateful that the seats are comfy and I have Spotify than about my ability to beat a sales manager from 50mph to 90mph at the end of the average speed camera section.

 

Oh, but it is SO much fun beating almost everything from 50mph to 80mph at the end of the average speed camera section in a Superb!

16 hours ago, penguin17 said:

VCDS has the Advanced Measuring Blocks no?  For starters I'm sure that can log rail pressure, boost pressure and injection timing, to name a few.   

 

BUT does an external memory device or logging tool need to be plugged into the OBD port in order for that to be logged? 

micloi has already given the answer, but just to confirm, external logging tools record live data via the OBD port.  The systems on the car don't store data for subsequent download.

I have remapped every new car i have had since 2003 and probably always will. My current Passaat BiTDI 240 4motion just got done and making 288bhp/418lbft and is a road rocket, definately worth getting a remapp.

Hmm, 

Must be something wrong with our 190-- it spins the wheels no bother , a extra35 B.H.P......................?

...and a dtuk box takes 190 to 250!

30 minutes ago, Napier said:

...and a dtuk box takes 190 to 250!

 

You can prove this? 

 

The std 190 is limited to 220ish because of the injectors, so not sure how they claim they will make 250 (without any other mods) 

DTUK claims 240. They probably will get it, but at highest settings, when limp mode is easy to kick in. They had dynoed the previous 170CR engine and got 225 from it. I am using not so aggressive settings at the moment on my 170CR, but 200+ HP probably in use by butt feeling.

Stage 1 remap from Celtic Tuning should give you a minimum of 45bhp and 93lb/ft extra 

 

https://www.celtictuning.co.uk/services/performance-stats/skoda/superb-3v-2015/diesel/2-0-tdi-187-bhp-2015-ECU-remap-chiptuning/stage-1#t3-content

 

1 hour ago, Outrunner said:

Stage 1 remap from Celtic Tuning should give you a minimum of 45bhp and 93lb/ft extra 

 

https://www.celtictuning.co.uk/services/performance-stats/skoda/superb-3v-2015/diesel/2-0-tdi-187-bhp-2015-ECU-remap-chiptuning/stage-1#t3-content

 

 

A bit less than the quoted figures from previous experience so maybe 220 ish is indeed the limit with the current injectors 

On 6/26/2016 at 18:39, SuperbTWM said:

Every car is built with a certain longevity in mind when designing it so remapping any car will eat into that 'safety' factor when you remap it and add extra power, especially on the transmission and drive train and not forgetting the hike in boost pressure. That said, if you don't abuse the car or drive it hard 100% of the time everything should hold up fine.

 

Also I can't imagine anybody saying that a 190 engine needs a remap. 190BHP is more than enough power when you consider that the average power for a 2.0 TDI family car is around the 130-150 BHP mark and even then there are smaller units available. If you need more power and a faster car buy one with a bigger engine in the first place.

 

If I was you I would use the car for a few years until you are used to it or are getting a bit bored and then remap it so you feel the benefit

I have a 2.0 Cr170 Octavia VRS DSG, it was one on the first in the UK mapped by Ben at Shark Performance in the early days of having to open up the ECU, the car to put to bed the comments regarding the longevity, it's now done over 200K miles, with no faults attributable to the remap, it has been smooth powerful and grin inducing right from day 1 ( 5k miles and 4 months old). With regard to warranty, my local Skoda dealer has been aware of the remap, I even made it clear that no updates were to be applied to the car due to the remap, 3 months OUT of warranty the aircon pump went, a £2500+ VAT bill and they honoured the fact that it had a FDSH with me only picking up the bill for labour ( £200). I'm sure had they been so inclined they could have easily wriggled out of it. Main thing is that despite being remapped at a very low mileage, the car has performed faultlessly for nearly 200K miles and will probably do another 200.