EU referendum/Brexit discussion - Part 2

[@Lee]

When you charge as little as 15p for a newspaper you know it's going to be quality journalism :no:

[S00perb]

17 minutes ago, Lee01 said:

When you charge as little as 15p for a newspaper you know it's going to be quality journalism :no:

The con starts on the front page

Large font '15p'

small font 'cheaper than the daily record and the daily mail'

 

Its a race to the bottom

Edited 3 November, 2017 by S00perb

[Ootohere]

Just incase missed.

Alex Salmond is to head a consortium to buy a news paper (group actually)

from Johnston Press which he will be in charge of. 'Chairman no editorial control.'

It is an 'Anti Independence paper'.

(some say!)

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-41856667 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christen_Ager-Hanssen 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Robert_Porter 

 

People know who Arron Banks is, they know who Rupert Murdoch is,

but are there others out their with their own self interests that the general public are unaware of?

 

If he had just bought the Express with 4 partners they could have put in a 10 pence each and shared it between them, then used it as loo paper.

Edited 3 November, 2017 by Headinawayoffski

[domhnall]

19 hours ago, gadgetman said:

You have to wonder who's gaining from the Fallon story. 

 

Even JHB who was the lady in question, says it's nothing she's bothered about, but happy to be on every news segment about it

 

 

He didn't resign over JHB, he resigned because there were other incidents where hsi conduct had fallen below the required standard.

[domhnall]

6 hours ago, Redboy said:

 

I am not defending lecherous old blokes or dishonesty. Politicians and public figures are humans. Anybody who testifies that they have never been drunk, taken illegal drugs, said or done daft things or used a friend or connection to gain the slightest of advantages is a liar. Just look at the many posts on this site re the wide variety of views on the subject of remapping/declaring to insurers or dealers or avoiding speed cameras, fines etc..

Revisionist history delving 20-40 years into the collective or individual past will always throw up scandal...today. In the age of an unregulated internet, I.e. Anybody can publish alleged incidents, social media and instant video proof, nobody in their right mind would wish to be  in politics either now or even in the future?

 

why do you assume it is just blokes? I know someone who was molested by a female politician - it was just as unpleasant as if it had been a man perpetrating it. 

[Redboy]

1 hour ago, domhnall said:

 

why do you assume it is just blokes? I know someone who was molested by a female politician - it was just as unpleasant as if it had been a man perpetrating it. 

 

Perhaps I should have written bloke, as I was referring to Fallon in particular. My point was that anybody, male or female, is not infallible, yet we expect them to be held to higher standards than ourselves and squeal in righteous mob-mentality indignation when they're exposed,the majority of the baying mob, being less than perfect, holders of high office or not.  It was an observation of reaction, not a defence of wrong doing. 

[@Lee]

Some might conclude that the tories are worse than other parties when it comes to sleaze.............
 

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36 Tory MPs have been identified on a spreadsheet detailing inappropriate behaviour towards colleagues, including allegations of sexual misconduct.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/leaked-spreadsheet-reveals-sexual-harassment-claims-against-36-mps-a3670961.html?utm_content=bufferd3e63&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 

[Ootohere]

Charlie Elphicke MP might get to be closer to some of those illegal migrants he was so keen to have rounded up and deported.

 

Theresa May MP PM might need to start looking at booking the removal vans sooner than later.

[roo]

1 hour ago, Lee01 said:

Some might conclude that the tories are worse than other parties when it comes to sleaze.............
 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/leaked-spreadsheet-reveals-sexual-harassment-claims-against-36-mps-a3670961.html?utm_content=bufferd3e63&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

I would not be suprised if my MP is on that list.  He's been caught out before,

[S00perb]

6 hours ago, Redboy said:

 

Perhaps I should have written bloke, as I was referring to Fallon in particular. My point was that anybody, male or female, is not infallible, yet we expect them to be held to higher standards than ourselves and squeal in righteous mob-mentality indignation when they're exposed,the majority of the baying mob, being less than perfect, holders of high office or not.  It was an observation of reaction, not a defence of wrong doing. 

 

Actually it would be quite good if they were expected to be as good as the majority of people AND be expected to keep to the standards of the majority of people AND get the sack for the things that the majority of people would be given the sack for

BUT

Apparently, to be sacked from being an MP - you have to be jailed for more than a year. Do what the hell you want as an MP and you can not get sacked unless you go to jail for a whole year!!

No one is perfect, but as an MP ypu don't have to come close to being perfect. You just need to stay out of prison.

 

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/7167553/MPs-expenses-MPs-can-only-be-sacked-from-Commons-if-they-are-jailed-for-over-a-year.html

The Representation of the People Act 1981 states that any MP will be disqualified from sitting as an MP if they are “detained anywhere in the British Islands or the Republic of Ireland ... for more than a year for any offence”.

Expelling an MP is highly unusual. Only five MPs last century either “left or were expelled from the House before or after their conviction and imprisonment on criminal charges”, according to the House of Commons.

The last MP to be expelled was in 1954 when Peter Baker, Conservative MP for south Norfolk, was thrown out after being convicted of forgery and sentenced to seven years in prison.

 

[Ryeman]

8 minutes ago, S00perb said:

 

Actually it would be quite good if they were expected to be as good as the majority of people AND be expected to keep to the standards of the majority of people AND get the sack for the things that the majority of people would be given the sack for

BUT

Apparently, to be sacked from being an MP - you have to be jailed for more than a year. Do what the hell you want as an MP and you can not get sacked unless you go to jail for a whole year!!

No one is perfect, but as an MP ypu don't have to come close to being perfect. You just need to stay out of prison.

 

 

.....and what does that say about the electorate?.

A gerrymandered electorate gave Americans Trump so anything is possible now, it seems.

[S00perb]

1 minute ago, Ryeman said:

.....and what does that say about the electorate?.

A gerrymandered electorate gave Americans Trump so anything is possible now, it seems.

 

Unfortunately it seems to say that we don't expect politicians to live up to BASIC human standards.

 

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me

Fool me at every single election and you know you can take the P155 for ever more

[moley]

Corbyn not his usual chatty self when questioned about Kelvin Hopkins.

 

https://itnproductions.com/news/video-corbyn-questioned-about-kelvin-hopkins-by-reporters?type=editorial

[@Lee]

And another one. There'll be no government left by Christmas at this rate..............

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Tory MP Charlie Elphicke suspended after 'serious allegations'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41866970
 

[Ootohere]

This is a big deal on Monday for The Prime Minister, and between now and then.

The Downing Street Spokesperson can say what ever, and she 'Told Boris, Boris knew'  means nothing other than trouble for Boris and his sidekicks.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41853561 

[@Lee]

 

[skomaz]

Labour Clive Lewis accused...

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41867416

[lol-lol]

Latest revelations, the rumour mill suggest, involving use of drinks spiking.       

[moley]

Allegations, accusations, rumours, revelations....well if it's in a newspaper it must be true.

Perhaps it's just a ploy to take your mind off of brexit.

 

[kevberlin]

Least we all forget, there is a presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

The test of “beyond reasonable doubt” applies to criminal allegations.

The test of “on the balance of probabilities” applies to civil matters.

 

Allegations, rumours, newspaper articles and social media suggestions do not constitute proof of guilt.

[CWARD]

@kevberlin this is the Brexit thread accusations, presumptions, rumours are in abundance. 

Balanced is very unlikely to happen here with so many unbalanced people. 

[lol-lol]

Senior policeman confirms that Damien Green had "pornography" on his computer when examined.

 

Of course pornography is not illegal, you can buy it down the corner shop.  To be a matter for the police (or customs when I served) it use to be classified as "obscene" but now is called "extreme" pornography.  

Damien Green needs to clarify, was it legal porn or illegal extrem porn. As a public figure and one who may hold position where his past makes him not suitable for certain roles it is in the public interest.     In the UK, this extreme porn is:-

 

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/d_to_g/extreme_pornography/#an02  

Elements of the Offence

For an offence contrary to section 63 of the Act the prosecution has to prove:

1. That the image is pornographic; and
2. That the image is extreme namely grossly offensive, disgusting, or otherwise of an obscene character; and
3. That the image portrays in an explicit and realistic way any of the extreme acts set out in section 63(7).

 

[kevberlin]

Re the above:

 

The article in The Times states that extreme pornographic material was found on a parliamentary computer in Green’s office. It does not say it was found on a computer used by Green or to which he had access. That crucial detail may become available later this week when the retired officer gives evidence to an inquiry.

 

[Ootohere]

So many Qualified Solicitors & Lawyers / QC's in the Houses of Parliament and so many are 'Tommy' deaf dumb and blind, 

but when statements are made you need to read and listen to the exact words used, because they never seem to say.

I did not do, i never did, and was never aware of others doing......'what ever it was'.

 

Same with how many Accountants and Economics Graduates that are in the House of Commons or Lords, 

never seem to See Hear or be able to speak of any wrong doing.

 

Amber Rudd MP, worked in the Whips Office, saw no wrong doing, no little black book etc.

'Should have not gone to spec savers maybe', just opened her eyes and ears and had secret listening devices installed for when she was not in the offices.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41874026 

 

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41872701 

Gordon Brown never saw or heard or was aware of so many things, 

until he has a book out then he is aware of so much.

 

 

Edited 5 November, 2017 by Headinawayoffski

[CWARD]

Senior policeman = ex Met Police Assistant Commissioner Bob Quick we made the allegations. 

 

Questions.

Why did Bob Quick sit on the evidence for 9 years?

Why has no one else on the investigation not said anything?

Does Bob Quick have a grudge for having to step down after showing the world a Top Secret document on an ongoing operation against terrorists?

Should Bob Quick be prosecuted for perverting the course of justice or should he face charges for defamation?

Last question should all those involved, of whatever party, be prosecuted for covering up and sex offences?