EU referendum/Brexit discussion - Part 2

[Skoda_newby]

1 hour ago, Ryeman said:

Brexit - everybody loses :

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/ford-plans-cut-more-5000-jobs-germany

 

Holy (insert expletive), you read an article and if it mentions the word Brexit, you think that the story must hinge around it. Put your glasses on, read it again - with your one eye - and let some words wash over you. For example:

 

• Ford Europe has been losing money for years and pressure to restructure its operations has increased since arch-rival General Motors raised profits by selling its European Opel and Vauxhall brands to France's PSA Group.
• Ford also said it would streamline its lineup by "improving or exiting less profitable vehicle lines."
• The plan will involve job cuts, looking at plant closures and discontinuing money-losing vehicle lines
• Ford builds a large proportion of its cars for Europe in high-wage Germany
• Ford is struggling with an aging model lineup

 

High EU wages plus less-profitable product and aging product equal impending failure.

FORD IS REACTING AS ANY OTHER COMPANY WOULD.

 

 

Edited 18 March, 2019 by Skoda_newby

[Skoda_newby]

Oh look!!! The pound has RISEN against the Euro in the past few weeks!!! That CLEARLY illustrates the volatility and fragility of the pound. 

 

 

We must be DOOMED!

Edited 18 March, 2019 by Skoda_newby

[@Lee]

*Facepalm

[@Lee]

[Ryeman]

Don’t think you can count on us -

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-10/brexit-and-australias-relationship-with-britain/10879914

[Ryeman]

Apart from flannel, does JR-M have any ideas other than crashing out, which he seems to be actually promoting?.

I assume his position is appropriately ‘hedged’ and he will be on clover no matter what?.

As for Nigel, need we say more !

Boris, I say old chap, how are things with you - re succession ?  or is Jacob’s dynamic leadership skills becoming a bit of a problem?.

[RicardoM]

However you look at the outcome of the last vote in the UK Parliament, the UK looks weak and confused. The EU will give a final blow to the UK by rejecting the delay on the principle "cut the crap, we're fed up with your indecision. start paying now!"

[Ryeman]

10 minutes ago, RicardoM said:

However you look at the outcome of the last vote in the UK Parliament, the UK looks weak and confused. The EU will give a final blow to the UK by rejecting the delay on the principle "cut the crap, we're fed up with your indecision. start paying now!"

You start to think basic education standards have slipped over the last few decades.

Irrational rage isn’t a substitute for an actual idea of what you are trying to achieve.

[Ryeman]

Let’s hope Donald’s friend Nigel isn’t thinking the same way -

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/17/opinion/trump-violence.html

[@Lee]

In case you missed it............
 

 

[lol-lol]

3 hours ago, Lee01 said:

In case you missed it............
 

 

 

Eloquent speech.  

[moley]

While Bercow is correct to block another vote on something that has already been rejected. The deal is not only May's deal, but the best deal the EU is willing to offer. 

[Skoda_newby]

1 hour ago, moley said:

While Bercow is correct to block another vote on something that has already been rejected. The deal is not only May's deal, but the best deal the EU is willing to offer. 

 

It's been blocked. So the options are that Government overrule Bercow, or ALL 27 EU members agree on an extension. I'll bet my left one that the latter won't happen. Again, ALL have to vote 'yes' for an extension to happen. If there is anyone here that actually thinks that's possible, then please jump on my Unicorn that's waiting out the front of your house and come fly on it over to my place and we'll discuss.

Edited 19 March, 2019 by Skoda_newby

[john999boy]

Without watching it all over again, I seem to recall that he said something like ‘it might not be his final decision’ so as to leave a get out clause when he has his view changed by someone ! 

[Skoda_newby]

Here's the actual text. We need a different item to vote on. Not the same bill again.

 

[Skoda_newby]

...But I see that YouTube has either a sense of humour, or has been programmed by someone here......

 

[Skoda_newby]

Contingency measures for a no-deal Brexit:

 

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2019/03/19/brexit-council-adopts-a-series-of-contingency-measures-for-a-no-deal-scenario/

 

I like this; you can fish in 'our' waters, if we can fish in yours. 512 million mouths to feed versus 66 million.

 

Right.......

Says a lot, doesn't it.

 

Edited 19 March, 2019 by Skoda_newby

[gadgetman]

 

 

[trundlenut]

10 hours ago, moley said:

While Bercow is correct to block another vote on something that has already been rejected. The deal is not only May's deal, but the best deal the EU is willing to offer. 

It is the only thing on offer which meets May's red lines, if the red lines were to change then what the EU could offer would change. 

 

Remember the current backstop is there because of the explicit wish of the UK government. 

[@Lee]

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For an individual, self-harm is an awful and tragic consequence of psychological trauma. I’m not sure if there is any precedent or easy explanation for a nation to embrace self-harm with such obvious alacrity.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/brexit-s-most-disturbing-aspect-is-the-casual-adoption-of-extremist-views-1.3829206?mode=amp&#.XI7KGtHMIvR.facebook

 

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Almost two years after Theresa May triggered article 50 it is still unclear when, in what form and how Brexit will occur – even to the prime minister. Any country invoking the Lisbon treaty’s clause of departure leaves the European Union after two years. It is a mark of failure that Mrs May is left pinning her hopes on the EU27 unanimously agreeing to extend that deadline. The trouble is that European leaders, not unreasonably, want to know what the prime minister intends to do with the extra time. She appears guarded about her plans largely because she is still struggling to draw them up.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/19/the-guardian-view-on-the-brexit-crisis-take-back-control-by-giving-it-up?CMP=twt_gu

[Skoda_newby]

32 minutes ago, Lee01 said:

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/brexit-s-most-disturbing-aspect-is-the-casual-adoption-of-extremist-views-1.3829206?mode=amp&#.XI7KGtHMIvR.facebook

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/19/the-guardian-view-on-the-brexit-crisis-take-back-control-by-giving-it-up?CMP=twt_gu

 

You see, May isn't "pinning her hopes on the EU27.... agreeing to extend...". Government voted for it, and she is carrying out her duty. She didn't want to extend, she wanted people to accept her deal. But that didn't happen. Now she has to go and ask a favour.

More Guardian tosh.

Edited 19 March, 2019 by Skoda_newby

[@Lee]

3 minutes ago, Skoda_newby said:

 

 

More Guardian tosh.

Whatev's 

[trundlenut]

5 minutes ago, Skoda_newby said:

 

You see, May isn't "pinning her hopes on the EU27.... agreeing to extend...". Government voted for it, and she is carrying out her duty. She didn't want to extend, she wanted people to accept her deal. But that didn't happen. Now she has to go and ask a favour.

More Guardian tosh.

No, May is perfectly willing to burn the country to the ground, as long as the conservative party remains a single charred body afterwards.

[181ce]

34 minutes ago, Skoda_newby said:

 

You see, May isn't "pinning her hopes on the EU27.... agreeing to extend...". Government voted for it, and she is carrying out her duty. She didn't want to extend, she wanted people to accept her deal. But that didn't happen. Now she has to go and ask a favour.

More Guardian tosh.

Sweet Jebus

[gadgetman]