EU referendum/Brexit discussion - Part 2

[shyVRS245]

33 minutes ago, CWARD said:

 

The EU basically bullied Greece into accepting their deal. The Greek are treated no different now. The payment due in February 2019 is now delayed until April with further austerity targets to be met first. Try reading more than one article. 

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-11/greece-s-creditors-talk-up-reform-drive-but-withhold-fresh-cash

 

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-eurozone-greece/greece-wont-get-euro-zone-money-on-monday-but-probably-in-april-eus-moscovici-idUKKBN1QS1S9

 

 

Yannis also gave a compelling interview which was posted on here with Swedish TV and he described meetings with EU officials where he found he was the only person in the room with any common sense and intelligence. A must watch for anyone wishing to see the truth about how badly Greece and its people were treated.

[181ce]

My it's interesting just how many people live in alternate realities.

[shyVRS245]

1 minute ago, 181ce said:

My it's interesting just how many people live in alternate realities.

Guess you are not interested in the truth behind the Greek Tragedy then?

[@Lee]

12 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

 he found he was the only person in the room with any common sense and intelligence.

AKA Dunning-Kruger

[@Lee]

Looks like a 9 month extension is on the cards and Bercow to make a statement on May's MV3 at 3:30.
 

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-03-18/ministers-expect-a-nine-month-brexit-delay/

[181ce]

1 minute ago, Lee01 said:

Looks like a 9 month extension is on the cards and Bercow to make a statement on May's MV3 at 3:30.
 

 

Assuming the EU are agreeable....

[181ce]

Regards Greece , bankrupt now not.

Ireland on the point of bankruptcy now not.

Hmmmm how did that happen..........

[@Lee]

1 minute ago, 181ce said:

Assuming the EU are agreeable....

Yup. If not I think there's no choice but to revoke A50.

[shyVRS245]

1 minute ago, 181ce said:

Regards Greece , bankrupt now not.

Ireland on the point of bankruptcy now not.

Hmmmm how did that happen..........

Massive loans paid for by the other 26 members including the UK.

[181ce]

7 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

Massive loans paid for by the other 26 members including the UK.

Loans

Paid for by whom ?

You might like to step out of your private little microcosom and check just how much of that particular RESCUE was paid for by the R.O.I

 

Edited 18 March, 2019 by 181ce
Dyslexia

[181ce]

8 minutes ago, Lee01 said:

Yup. If not I think there's no choice but to revoke A50.

Here's hoping Lee,but I still wouldn't put it past the luanatics to allow a crash out even now.

[@Lee]

 

[domhnall]

there's that sovereignty that the Brexiteers campaigned so long and hard for rearing its head again. They must be delighted to see British sovereignty being exercised so often and so publicly.

 

 

[gadgetman]

2 minutes ago, domhnall said:

there's that sovereignty that the Brexiteers campaigned so long and hard for rearing its head again. They must be delighted to see British sovereignty being exercised so often and so publicly.

 

 

And thanks to Gina Miller otherwise Parliament wouldn't have had any say whatsoever 

[Ootohere]

Anyone could have raised the action that Gina Miller did, a few millionaire / billionaire backers and off you go to the courts.

All in this together.

[CWARD]

33 minutes ago, 181ce said:

Regards Greece , bankrupt now not.

Ireland on the point of bankruptcy now not.

Hmmmm how did that happen..........

 

It happened because the ECB went and created 2.5 trillion euros through QE and now that the Eurozone is going into recession it is starting to do so again.  The UK also loaned Ireland a billion too along with Portugal.

Ireland still has the third highest debt per capita, even more than Greece. Ireland had done very well with income from multi-nationals taking advantage of your very low business taxes but now the EU has taken exception to that and you won't have that for much longer.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/budget-2019-who-still-owes-more-the-irish-or-the-greeks-1.3625800

Meanwhile Greece has further austerity measures to implement before they get their debt relief payment. The measures include selling off the motorway network so either they become toll roads and the public pay for it or they are leased back to the government who then pay a premium for the upkeep of them. The electric power plants need to privatised too so the public will face higher bills to pay even though they're not earning more and taxes have already gone up. No doubt it will be the German and French companies that will snap these up at a bargain price and profit whilst the public suffer. With a current 18.3% unemployment it's not like they are suffering already. You then have the real kicker that the Greek government introduced a law so the banks couldn't repossess the primary residences of people. The EU want this removed so the banks can collect on their bad debts, other words sell their homes and make them homeless. It's not like Greece doesn't have enough people on the streets already and a huge immigration problem too. 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eurozone-greece-poverty/after-seven-years-of-bailouts-greeks-sink-yet-deeper-in-poverty-idUSKBN15Z1NM

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/30/greek-debt-crisis-people-cant-see-any-light-at-the-end-of-any-tunnel

 

1 hour ago, 181ce said:

My it's interesting just how many people live in alternate realities.

 

You might want to tell the Greeks about this alternative reality, it will be of great comfort to them.

 

[181ce]

11 minutes ago, CWARD said:

 

It happened because the ECB went and created 2.5 trillion euros through QE and now that the Eurozone is going into recession it is starting to do so again.  The UK also loaned Ireland a billion too along with Portugal.

Ireland still has the third highest debt per capita, even more than Greece. Ireland had done very well with income from multi-nationals taking advantage of your very low business taxes but now the EU has taken exception to that and you won't have that for much longer.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/budget-2019-who-still-owes-more-the-irish-or-the-greeks-1.3625800

Meanwhile Greece has further austerity measures to implement before they get their debt relief payment. The measures include selling off the motorway network so either they become toll roads and the public pay for it or they are leased back to the government who then pay a premium for the upkeep of them. The electric power plants need to privatised too so the public will face higher bills to pay even though they're not earning more and taxes have already gone up. No doubt it will be the German and French companies that will snap these up at a bargain price and profit whilst the public suffer. With a current 18.3% unemployment it's not like they are suffering already. You then have the real kicker that the Greek government introduced a law so the banks couldn't repossess the primary residences of people. The EU want this removed so the banks can collect on their bad debts, other words sell their homes and make them homeless. It's not like Greece doesn't have enough people on the streets already and a huge immigration problem too. 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eurozone-greece-poverty/after-seven-years-of-bailouts-greeks-sink-yet-deeper-in-poverty-idUSKBN15Z1NM

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/30/greek-debt-crisis-people-cant-see-any-light-at-the-end-of-any-tunnel

 

 

You might want to tell the Greeks about this alternative reality, it will be of great comfort to them.

 

Uh huh

[CWARD]

Just now, 181ce said:

Uh huh

 

Great response, full of facts ...  not.

 

[Ootohere]

German Corporations and others like from South Korea thought it was smart to invest in Hungary where there is low wages and a willing workforce, 

highly educated and qualified.

Only thing is that they are not stupid and there is more work than those prepared to be taken the pith of.

So strikes and stopped production and the Corporations have to meet the increased pay demands.

Tough luck Audi. 

Then if you deal with countries that Putin can pull the plug on anytime he wants with the likes of the energy supplies your investments are at risk.

PS

That will be Canadian Corporations Investments as well. Just as well they got a good Trade Deal with the EU.

Edited 18 March, 2019 by Skoffski

[gadgetman]

Yet another reminder that referring to a horrific tragedy or some equally other unrelated abhorrent 'fact' to get a point across, even if in a failed attempt at humour, won't be tolerated either in this thread or elsewhere on Briskoda. 

 

As recent gentle reminders from staff have gone unheeded, those who continue in this thread will simply receive official warnings from now on. 

[trundlenut]

3 hours ago, CWARD said:

 

Great response, full of facts ...  not.

 

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...

[Ryeman]

I didn’t realise that Britain thought not going to work when you simply didn’t feel like it was some sort of defendable option.

So big hearted Britain is alive and well and more than willing to prop up a bludging society.

[Ryeman]

Brexit - everybody loses :

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/ford-plans-cut-more-5000-jobs-germany

[CWARD]

6 minutes ago, Ryeman said:

Brexit - everybody loses :

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/ford-plans-cut-more-5000-jobs-germany

 

Your only 2 days late again. Your internet must be running slow. 

 

On 16/03/2019 at 22:35, vrskeith said:

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/ford-confirms-uk-job-losses-part-cost-cutting

 

Brexit ongoing affects?? Progress end of the wedge.

[Skoda_newby]

23 hours ago, Ryeman said:

A journalist simply doing his job is apparently just another example of bias according to the comments section -  no wonder you are in deep denial :

 

 

 

...And this is typical of what's read on here.

 

CEO of Coltraco and member of British Exporters Association vs reporter.

 

Reporter: Brexit is sh!t, isn't it?

CEO: Well no, because of the many reasons I will now explain

Reporter: So you're saying it's totally sh!t, right? We're doomed, right?

CEO: Well, no, again, for these reasons I will say again, etc. etc. 

Reporter: Well, thanks Carl for explaining how sh!t Brexit is, thank you very much.

CEO: Ummmm...... well....

 

Typical.

Edited 18 March, 2019 by Skoda_newby