How many modes has the DSG got? 4, 5 (4 selectable and sport on stick pull back) or 8 (as laid out below) ?

 

If I am in ECO mode and I click the DSG Prindle stick to Sport is that Sport version of ECO or just Sport?

 

Does each mode, ECO, NORMAL, SPORT and INDIVIDUAL each have a slightly different SPORT mode if you know the gear lever back to Sport in each individual mode?

 

Even in sport mode the even does not seem to rev to 6k  (6.5k red line), never mid close to the red line.  Does the system have a learn mode which lets it rev higher if one is aggressive with the modes and throttle ?

 

Suppose I could push the lever sideways to tipronic mode, presumably then it would only change at near 6.5K revs, not too keen to try, think I recall that was what the early 7 speeds I had do ie on the Fabia 2 VRS and 1.8 TSI DSG but they did not have coast mode so things have clearly "progressed".

 

62 mpg indicated from Worcester to Torquay, not too shabby.  

 

Edited 6 June, 20188 yr by lol-lol

Not sure how many maps the DSG has, at least three that I can detect, Eco, Drive and Sport. Those three have different change points but not sure if the other scenarios are just down to engine and throttle mapping.

 

Lee

The DSG only has 3 modes - Eco, Drive (normal) and Sport.

 

Your drive mode button merely enables ones of these according to the profile you select. Individual just lets you pick a custom combination of engine mode, chassis mode and DSG mode, etc.

 

Manual will let you redline, but will upshift if it's held too long, or downshift if the engine labours.

Edited 4 June, 20188 yr by mumphie

Sport mode shouldn't change up until you reach the red line.  It shouldn't automatically go into the highest gear ( 6th or 7th depending on the box ) unless you up shift with the paddles

 

I think....

6 minutes ago, mumphie said:

The DSG only has 3 modes - Eco, Drive (normal) and Sport.

 

Your drive mode button merely enables ones of these according to the profile you select. Individual just lets you pick a custom combination of engine mode, chassis mode and DSG mode, etc.

 

Manual will let you redline, but will upshift if it's held too long, or downshift if the engine labours.

 

 

This Chassis mode, is it changing  active damper setting ie squishy for eco,  middle for Normal and slight firmer for Sport?

 

Feels quite squishy, soft on all 3 modes to me hence even keener to move to 17 or 18 wheels to help firm it up a bit without, hopefully, spoiling the quite comfy ride, do not want it to go to SEAT Leon Cupra hard which was just unpleasant.

 

Edited 4 June, 20188 yr by lol-lol

1 minute ago, lol-lol said:

 

 

This Chassis mode, is it changing  active damper setting ie squishy for eco,  middle for Normal and slight firmer for Sport?

 

Feels quite squishy, soft on all 3 modes to me hence even keener to move to 17 or 18 wheels to help firm it up a bit without, hopefully, spoiling the quite comfy ride, do not want it to go to SEAT Leon Cupra hard which was just unpleasant.

 

 

Doesn't change unless you have Dynamic Chassis Control (DCC)

2 minutes ago, Auric Goldfinger said:

Sport mode shouldn't change up until you reach the red line.  It shouldn't automatically go into the highest gear ( 6th or 7th depending on the box ) unless you up shift with the paddles

 

I think....

 

Odd because it seemed to change at 5.5k and then the revs dropped to just over 4k, bit too low though I would like to see a rear wheel power map compared to the theoretical engine output figures for power and torque (usually shows the real figures to be about 500 rpm lower).

 

Would also like to see and remapped version where the torque is kept going at 250 NM all the way to 6k rather than tailing off from 3.5k, that could be fun, and still eco, though tyres seem to break traction too easily already, typical Octy with such an amount of rear weight bias compared to other golf platformed vehicles, still rather have the boot though.

  

3 minutes ago, ahenners said:

 

Doesn't change unless you have Dynamic Chassis Control (DCC)

 

It has so many TLA my head is spinning.  It is a standard SEL as far as I am aware though the dealer, normally pretty good as they sold Skoda a few years ago ie when the Mk 3 came out, and mine has brake thingy, it comes up with warning I am getting close to the car in front and has it a little square plate that I thought might be the "radar" thingy.  

 

Need to go on a course.

 

10 minutes ago, Auric Goldfinger said:

Sport mode shouldn't change up until you reach the red line.  It shouldn't automatically go into the highest gear ( 6th or 7th depending on the box ) unless you up shift with the paddles

 

I think....

 

Didn't think it redlined in Sport mode.... It holds on longer, but doesn't let you rag it.

 

Although.....its possible it holds onto a gear depending on your throttle inputs, ie. If you mash the pedal, it revs higher...?

4 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

It has so many TLA my head is spinning.  It is a standard SEL as far as I am aware though the dealer, normally pretty good as they sold Skoda a few years ago ie when the Mk 3 came out, and mine has brake thingy, it comes up with warning I am getting close to the car in front and has it a little square plate that I thought might be the "radar" thingy.  

 

Need to go on a course.

 

 

Don't forget the HBA, TSR, ACC, EPC, ASR, ALG....!

Apparently, this thread is "HOT!" now!

2 hours ago, mumphie said:

 

Don't forget the HBA, TSR, ACC, EPC, ASR, ALG....!

 

I thought TSR was terminal stay resident used in DOS O/S, now that really is showing my age ie O/S before Windows.  

 

and ILA which I thought was Instrument Landing Approach but apparently is Intelligent Lighting Assistance  (with HBC- High Beam Control) and a RS Rain sensor, I have eyes for that.

 

And a special place for a hi-viz under the driver's seat, I find it works much better round the passenger chair, or wearing it, as people seem to "part the waves" for me especially when I am wearing my white shirt and travelling with another colleague.

 

Even it sport mode gear changes were happening by 5.5K revs, must try it in manual tiptronic mode.

 

Below a standard power-torque graph with a lightly chipped one on it too.  Point is the standard machine actually makes its power about 500 rpm lower than the quoted figures suggest, typical of what I use to see on Piper's rolling road against quoted engine specifics.....

https://en.bsr.se/tuning-kits/t/3032/volkswagen-golf-vii-14tsi-150hp-2013-2018-czda-czea  

 

 

 

 

 

 

The change up/down levels vary depending on engine load, throttle position and other variables in all three modes. 

RTFM. 

14 hours ago, mumphie said:

 

Didn't think it redlined in Sport mode.... It holds on longer, but doesn't let you rag it.

 

Although.....its possible it holds onto a gear depending on your throttle inputs, ie. If you mash the pedal, it revs higher...?

 

I had an 11 plate Octavia Tsi Vrs DSG, If you planted your foot on the " go " pedal the box wouldn't change up a gear until the rev counter needle reached the red line. Instant gear change and the revs dropped to around 4K rpm then again went back to the red line before the next gear was selected.

What gets me about the Sport mode on the DSG is how it holds on to gears in an unusable manner, and yet if you put it in manual mode the shift nanny tells you to change up early!!! How patronising 

14 hours ago, lol-lol said:

Even it sport mode gear changes were happening by 5.5K revs, must try it in manual tiptronic mode.

 

Below a standard power-torque graph with a lightly chipped one on it too.  Point is the standard machine actually makes its power about 500 rpm lower than the quoted figures suggest, typical of what I use to see on Piper's rolling road against quoted engine specifics.....

https://en.bsr.se/tuning-kits/t/3032/volkswagen-golf-vii-14tsi-150hp-2013-2018-czda-czea  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Looking at that graph you wouldn't really want it changing up at 6500rpm redline.

2 hours ago, SashaGrace said:

What gets me about the Sport mode on the DSG is how it holds on to gears in an unusable manner, and yet if you put it in manual mode the shift nanny tells you to change up early!!! How patronising 

 

Agree with you Sasha S-mode on the DSG-TDI combination is not particularly optimized

That in itself wouldn’t bother me so much if the shift nanny didn’t stick its oar in with encouragement to change gear at 1500 rpm. Sport hangs on almost till the rev limiter but I am not afforded the luxury myself. Hypocrite much!

It's fine on the 245... 

I had the 1.4 TSI in DSG & mine didn't change up till it was well into the red section, try driving it like you just stole it.

 

Tweaked mine too with a sports air filter DTUK tuningbox & Pedalbox, even then torque was heading south over 4-3/4k revs.  Don't fight it, just short shift in the knowledge that you're going as fast as it will go.

 

Finally, brought a vRS245 which I've tweaked too, it spends a lotta time in the red

17 hours ago, themanwithnoaim said:

I had the 1.4 TSI in DSG & mine didn't change up till it was well into the red section, try driving it like you just stole it.

Tweaked mine too with a sports air filter DTUK tuningbox & Pedalbox, even then torque was heading south over 4-3/4k revs.  Don't fight it, just short shift in the knowledge that you're going as fast as it will go.

Finally, brought a vRS245 which I've tweaked too, it spends a lotta time in the red

 

I had heard that it had a learn feature.    With a 93 mm stroke I was always worried about over-revving the 2 litre EA888 and I sort of preferred the 1.8 TSI, same bore but 500 rpm higher red line ie 7k.

 

With my 200 hp Mk 2 VRS, 55 litre tank, I could drive the near 400 miles to Tilbury and back to Worcester and rarely have to fill up twice, that was always a no-no for me  (fuel card sometimes do n ot even work if you try and fill up twice within a few hours, anti-fraud measure I gather).

 

I was one the look out more for a tidy second hand 280 hp Superb with the bigger fuel tank, the 50 litre on the mark 3 Octy was a put off to me unless I had a model that could do at least 500 miles when pushed  and 600-650 miles normal when cruising, just hate wasting my time filling up in petrol stations !   

 

If the 250 NM torque (7 speed DSG supposed max) was held flat from 3500 revs through the 5k and then to 6k, by my calculation, 1.4 DSG would produce  175 hp at 5 k and  210 hp at 6k, which would be nice.  Hopefully still mpgs in the 50 to 65 mpg range when pottering along.  

Edited 6 June, 20188 yr by lol-lol

On 6/5/2018 at 12:40, logiclee said:

 

Looking at that graph you wouldn't really want it changing up at 6500rpm redline.

 

Except in first and maybe second where the drops are normally the biggest percentage?

 

I do love the fact that the revs, with the 7 speed DSG mated to the 1.4 TSI -150, is displayed as about 2,900 revs at 100 mph in seventh.

 

Speed seems about 4% inaccurate over-reading compared to GPS. 

 

Feeling up to 3/4s of max seems to be that it would crack over 140 mph on the speedo.  1.8 TSI would get to 140 (speedo) quite quickly, 2 litre petrol VRS - 200 hp mk 2 was still accelerating noticeably with 150 on the speedo and would push itself to the off the speedo scale of 160 I expected.     Fabia 2 VRS seem to get to 125 quickly and then climb slowly but then the aero on the Octy is so much better than the Fab.     

 

Edited 6 June, 20188 yr by lol-lol

On 05/06/2018 at 14:34, SashaGrace said:

That in itself wouldn’t bother me so much if the shift nanny didn’t stick its oar in with encouragement to change gear at 1500 rpm. Sport hangs on almost till the rev limiter but I am not afforded the luxury myself. Hypocrite much!

The DSG in sport mode is giving you performance. The "shift nanny" is trying to give you economy, so they have completely different aims.

36 minutes ago, Rodge said:

The DSG in sport mode is giving you performance. The "shift nanny" is trying to give you economy, so they have completely different aims.

 

SSH programming seems to have changed since my last two 7 speeders. 

previous ones would not go in to 7th in sport mode from what I remember where as this one seems to drop in to seventh way to easily when it sport and since 7th is so high there is not huge power on demand.

Kickdown needs to drop it to 4th to give it beans. Think it can still do well over 100 in 4th happily!

 

From a Golf mk 7 site.......  (so in 7th it get nowhere near 5k revs, for better or worse), displayed figures rather than actual, some 4% difference

 

7sp dsg	2000	3000	4000	5000	6000	6500
2nd	16	25	33	41	49	53
3rd	24	36	48	60	71	78
4th	32	48	64	80	96	106
5th	42	63	84	105	126	139
6th	53	79	105	131
7th	68	103	137

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 6 June, 20188 yr by lol-lol

2 hours ago, Rodge said:

The DSG in sport mode is giving you performance. The "shift nanny" is trying to give you economy, so they have completely different aims.

My point is, why does Sport mode on the box over rev the damn thing but the shift nanny is constantly getting you to short shift when the rest of the car is in Sport mode? In Normal and Eco fair enough, but if the car is happy to be driven hard in Sport, why can’t the shift nanny take a break? Should be off in Sport IMO, does my head in as it tells me to shift up but then I knock it back to auto mode and it changes down another gear! WTF 

Edited 6 June, 20188 yr by SashaGrace