Don't ask this guy to organise anything important.  The charging could have been done so much more efficiently.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 7 October, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

Doh.

The introduction.

 

 

I drove 150 miles 3 times, each lasting about half day period in a first-gen Nissan Leaf, over last few weeks. Does it mean I did 450 miles over 1.5 days?

 

With triple the rapid-charging hop range from 60 to 180, meaning instead of 1hr drive, 20min charging, they can do 3hr driving, 45min charging, covering 3 times distance in much less than 3 times the time. I really don't see that as a challenge in such a long range EV. It's more of a challenge to not fall asleep driving for such a long time, applies in all cars. 

 

Clearly it means you did 450 miles over a period of time.

 

I look forward to see just how much his jolly cost in charging.

I have done a good few 450 miles in a day trips so far.

Still only paid out under £13 for charging on the day the roads and carparks were badly flooded around and south of Perth.

 

So they had the 2 drivers.

They charged at a high price Ionity Charger in Perth according to him, these are 4 x 350 kWh chargers,

so paying 69pence/kWh, or 66 pence via Chargepoint, 73.1 euro cent with Maingu membership.

 

This was 1 mile further on from the 50 kWh chargers free at Perth Park & ride and where the Tesla chargers are.

Edited 8 October, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

23 minutes ago, e-Roottoot said:

This was 1 mile further on from the 50 kWh chargers free at Perth Park & ride and where the Tesla chargers are.

Can you remind me if these are free for non Scots?

@john999boy

Yes, just get a  £20 card or use the App & free charging for non Scots & Scots from Scotland or anyplace else. 

We are all Jock Tamson's bairns. Plus the EU splashed the cash and Scotland gratefully accepted it.

http://chargeplacescotland.org

 

 

 

Edited 8 October, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

I have given my meter readings to SSE today and changed to Octopus with quite a saving even though the SSE tariff was quite good for the past 2 years.

Not going on a tariff for EV charging as not doing that at home currently.

I have no home charger, but do have a 3 pin cable and might do in the coldest weather.  I do usually heat car interiors with my Greenhouse heater when parked up.

 

 

 

Real world as in just a driver and 1 passenger nothing carried or very little in the boot / rear.

The real real world is maybe put 4 or 5 in the car and luggage that might be carried getting people to a flight or cruise ship.

 

 

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Edited 8 October, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

 

On 08/10/2020 at 09:28, e-Roottoot said:

I have given my meter readings to SSE today and changed to Octopus with quite a saving even though the SSE tariff was quite good for the past 2 years.

Not going on a tariff for EV charging as not doing that at home currently.

I have no home charger, but do have a 3 pin cable and might do in the coldest weather.  I do usually heat car interiors with my Greenhouse heater when parked up.

 

 

 

Real world as in just a driver and 1 passenger nothing carried or very little in the boot / rear.

The real real world is maybe put 4 or 5 in the car and luggage that might be carried getting people to a flight or cruise ship.

 

 

http://

VW claim 260 miles yet it only managed only 211 miles.

I do not think VW claim anything just as any manufacturer does not be it EV, Petrol or Diesel.

 

They give the WLTP figures.   So as we know to get the WLTP results you would have to be driving as on a WLTP regime.

 

To get 211 miles or more from a ID3 you might have to not exceed 50mph, have the AC off, drive a route that gives re-cooperation, not fill each seat with an adult, 

or even each front seat.

 

You might then get 260 miles or even more.

 

I can get 220 plus on a car that the WLTP has at 209 miles range, but an also manage to only get 150 miles.  

So EV's are much like if driving a ICE vehicle.

 

 

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Edited 10 October, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

At least the ID3 at just over £36,000 including grant is more viable than the 400bhp Volvo XC40 EV at almost £60,000.

If the driver wants to get you off their tail they will have to go Volvo though.

 

On a coast to coast you will get there can have fish and chips and meet them on the way back as they will be charging a couple of times at least.

 

 

Edited 10 October, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

 

 

Really good video which is totally relatable to us in the UK.

Twice this week at different chargers there have been Tesla's on type 2 chargers and i parked next to them and used the CCS chargers.

Each of the drivers when they returned said the chargers would not start charging on the CCS so they used the type 2.

 

Neither of them thought on calling the number on the charger to get it started and had ever done that in the past having had the same issue often and saying the cars have an issue.

 

I would say the issue could be that they lack the common sense they were born with.

https://www.myurbancar.com/2020/10/16/common-pitfalls-in-setting-up-local-ev-public-charging-part-1-cost/

 

 

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…and it gets worse- the UK’s most expensive electricity

EV’s will slow down charging speed towards the end of a charge. Many owners won’t realise what an impact this has on a Source London charger. A full charge to 100% or worse still topping up from 80-100% might end up on 1-2kW speeds.

Just to be clear on the Source London 22kW Pay as you go tarrif tariff of 14.3p per minute, this equates to a per kWh cost rising from 39p to £8.58 at 1kW speed, £4.29 at 2kW or £2.86 at 3kW. The wholesale price of electricity is around 4p per kW so the markup is between 107 times and 214 times the price of the power you receive! The result is 1,000 miles for an owner repeatedly topping up their battery to 100% would work at at £855 at 3kW, £1,222.65 at 2kW or £2,445.30 at 1kW!

It’s also worth noting that this Tesla is efficient at 285W/1000 miles. On a less efficient EV like an Audi e-tron 55 that is estimated to use 380Wh per mile would cost a third more to charge so at 1kW speed this last bit of your charge will cost you the equivalent of over £3,260.40 per 1,000 miles or £1,630.20 at 2kW. Thats equivalent to paying £25.07 or £12.53 a litre in a 35mpg petrol or diesel car.

 

 

 

 

16 hours ago, xman said:

https://www.myurbancar.com/2020/10/16/common-pitfalls-in-setting-up-local-ev-public-charging-part-1-cost/

Shocking news! Doing things inefficiently costs more money! Proven using maths! I wonder what people would say about those Chelsea tractors.....

 

Realistically, would anyone solely rely on this single charging spot, always only top up 80-100%, over 1000 miles? (the basis of their calculation)

Also who in their right mind would move their car from a slow charging spot the moment it finished charging? Slow charging spots are like parking spots, no one waits around for charge to finish. So the calculation had left out a large chunk of cost in their calculation. They missed the opportunity to use the headline "EV cost more than 10mpg petrol car"

 

 

 

The way Source London levy their fee by time make a lot of sense. I hate to admit, but I've abused pay-by-kwh before. I hooked up to central London pod-point, free parking for 4 hours, but I had almost full battery so costed me very little. The charging spot need to be either pay to park with per-kwh charging OR per-minute charging session with free parking. In central London, the latter makes more sense.

1 hour ago, wyx087 said:

The way Source London levy their fee by time make a lot of sense. I hate to admit, but I've abused pay-by-kwh before. I hooked up to central London pod-point, free parking for 4 hours, but I had almost full battery so costed me very little. The charging spot need to be either pay to park with per-kwh charging OR per-minute charging session with free parking. In central London, the latter makes more sense.

I seem to think that Tesla's have a compromise system which starts charging extra for the time in excess of whatever % has been set in excess of a complete charge.

1 hour ago, john999boy said:

I seem to think that Tesla's have a compromise system which starts charging extra for the time in excess of whatever % has been set in excess of a complete charge.

Indeed. This certainly make a LOT of sense at rapid chargers (or Tesla's super chargers). I think it's something like if the car isn't disconnect after 10min, fee gets added.  Doesn't stop people hogging the charger to slowly get to 100%, but it's a start.

I believe Polar network rapid chargers also add surcharge after 90 minutes.

Similarly, Ecotricity EH chargers will end charging session after 45 minutes.

Rapid chargers are meant for splash-&-dash. Exactly like petrol station at motorway services. They function similar to petrol stations, you shouldn't leave the car unattended for long period of time and you shouldn't use it as parking spots.

 

But for slow destination chargers, expecting one to move their car after charging finished is unrealistic. They are essentially parking spots with benefits for EV's. Thus I think at premium locations, a time-based fee for using those parking spots make a lot of sense.

So far i have still only seen 1 Tesla charging at the Perth Park & Ride Charger hub.

There are quite a few charge at the Dundee Tesla charger, but then they stay at the hotel because there is the chargers.

 

Elsewhere around Tayside there are many Tesla going about and regularly charging on the Public Chargers for free.

Often i see them just sitting for 'long time mister' on type 2 chargers. 

 

 

 

Edited 11 November, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

Roof bars and bike holder have had a marked affected the range i get, that is without a bike on the roof. 

I will need to remove and do a comparison after the weather gets much colder if i am going to be needing to charge sooner and not carrying a bike on the roof.

 

The colder weather sometimes around freezing and below has not had much affect on the range over the past couple of days of driving on flooded & some icy and slushy conditions,

and now i have Winter Tyres on rather than the All Season CrossClimates i had changed the rubbish Michelin Primacy 4 for.

The ride is more comfortable and the handling feels much better & going to be more pleasant and safer to drive when there is snow about. 

 

Michelin Alpin 6.

Edited 20 November, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

BP Chargemaster pricing.

Edited 27 November, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot