im sorry I am in the side of bengie and many others who see that you were never travelling at 30mph and so in the wrong. You crashed into a barrier that wasn't moving! suppose it's not a bad thing but shows the recklessness of your driving :eek:

you say that the car spun 180 after you braked? (from earlier post). to spin a car of it's weight you must have being carrying a lot of momentum 50+ and from what I see thats a 30mph zone. stupid no. 1

to come on here and post a video of the events running upto the events and how you acted like a twit in other video's, then play stupid music to make us feel sorry....who would ever do this? why post a video at this time? yes very creative well done..... why was the guy in the other car slamming his brakes on all the time...these things don't just happen for no reason, then aggressivly trying to overtake the guy? why? you know he is a loon "stay away from the loon" comes to mind.

It sounds that you were:

A. driving over the limit of 30mph

B. driving aggressivly

C. acting upon someone elses behaviour on the road (road rage)

and

D. don't have ESP:thumbdwn:

I am glad you are ok and glad you ended up seeing your girlfriend! :thumbup:

"you will learn from this and will grow to be a wise driver ":rofl:

Answer 1 question how fast was you driving and did you have hot head sindrome?

my tuppence!:eek:

benjie you do strick me as being somewhat of an ar*e tbh, he put his video up to show what happened, not to have inspector Beng nitpicking his way through the footage, why dont you just shut up before you p1ss him and everyone else here off, go do something contructive and forget you ever saw the thread.

and so what if he drove like a twit, we all do it and have in the past and you all stand to be liars if you say you havent

but did we crash being a twit..... own up? maybe a new thread

"did you crash being a twit?"

someone needs to put thier name down i think?

no i havent had an accident, the nearest thing to that was having my friend open the passenger door of my KA onto oncoming traffic, but that was more of a blessing to be honest

Hi

Looks like a restricted visibility incident to me...... Could not see through the red mist. Possibly brain fade?

Main thing is you are uninjured. I guess you will take this as a prompt to review your attitude to driving. It is just so easy to make errors of judgement when driving aggressively. I cannot say I have too much sympathy reading how it happened, but I am heartened by the fact that you sound like you will learn from the incident.

IMO it is important that you get out and drive ASAP so you dont develop an aversion to driving or lose too much confidence.

Braking has become a bit of a lost art in these days of ABS systems, however, as you found out, it is still possible to fool the system by changing rapidly from on gas to on brakes, you get a lot of forward weigt transfer and rear end lightness. It is for this reason that the brakes should be applied in a straight line if possible. Unlikely that oil on the road was to blame, reading the explanation, just sound like a typical loss of control under braking.

Chris

Whelan - sorry to hear this has happened, but I know Cheshire Oaks well - I live about 25mins away. Your details of the incident don't seem to make sense to me, however, unless I'm getting the location of the incident wrong. You can of course ignore this, but it may help you if you're honest with yourself over what happened, don't worry what everyone on here thinks, that's not important really, in the scheme of things.

Did the incident happen down the straight that's off to the left from MacDonald's? The first exit on the left that leads out of the complex towards Sainsbury's? Or was it the second exit, straight on, heading down towards the cinema?

I'm genuinely interested and this might also help you analyse what went wrong and move on. I know when I've had incidents in the past I always play through what happended in the weeks and months afterwards (only natural I think) and from this try to use it to make sure I improve, and that the same things doesn't happen again.

Best of luck with everything.

Steve

Whelan that is hard luck lad and I really feel for you. When I was 17 I managed to crash my mum's car (1.2 Renault Clio) three times and wrote it off on the 3rd occasion, something which to this day haunts me cos I should have died. The problem was I thought I was invincible, coupled by the fact I was young, stupid and that my first crashes were not serious enough.

I am not in the best position to comment or question your version of events and am aware that what you thought may have happened may well be different to what actually did happen. It looks to me that you have managed to oversteer (too much power heading out of the roundabout), panicked and then overcorrected sending you straight into the barrier. The car would hold its momentum well owing to its weight which would account for why you didn't slow down much once you realised you were out of control. Out if interest, what was the condition of the road and was there really oil? Were the police called? Did you report the RTC?

I have to say that I thought your previous video posts were interesting but have obviously caused controversy in some quarters. The main thing of course is you are ok, you were on your own (nobody suffering from a sudden bout of claim-itis) and hopefully are not being done by the local Constabulary for dangerous driving (which nearly happened to me). All I can say is that I hope you get the motor sorted and are back on the road in good time. Learn from this, remember your limits and don't make the same mistake as me by doing it all over again.

As for the people who have used this as a means to insult you further I think they should swiftly wind their necks in!! He has learn't his lesson, allbeit the hard way and I don't think he should be dragged through the mill any further. Show a bit of compassion, get behind a fellow Skoda driver because someday one of you will crash and even if it isn't ur fault you will know just how sh*te it can feel.

Good luck and all the Geoge Best cos it could have been a lot worse.

My son had an identical accident except it was Armaco not pedestrian protection, damage was the same. He was driving like an ar5ehole at the time.

Hope the coke from McDonalds hasn't stained the seats, you may be able to sell them once the insurance company has seen this and other threads of yours.

I know i'll get flamed for this but from the time I saw your first video i knew it was only a matter of time....

benjie you do strick me as being somewhat of an ar*e tbh, he put his video up to show what happened, not to have inspector Beng nitpicking his way through the footage, why dont you just shut up before you p1ss him and everyone else here off, go do something contructive and forget you ever saw the thread.

the thing is, he started off by saying he was driving nomally, not messing around and crashed due to "harsh braking and hitting oil". then he changed it to some random bloke was acting like an **** so he passed him, but in doing so carried more speed off a roundabout than expected/intented - his video suggests that he crashed heading towards a roundabout.

bengie is only being an **** cos the bloke wont man up and admit what really happened...sorry but he's quite likely to call bull**** when he sees it - and he's not the only one either

i await the next version of events...

im lucky to be alive

Don't be such a drama queen!!

Yup, consider my sympathy retracted.

Not going to analyse any of it.

Just wondering about the repairs to the barriers.Do you get chased for things like the cost of that?

I carried more speed around the round about than intended (i dont know the exact mph) at the same time seeing two security guards that i know by some shops I jammed on the brakes to stop and tell them to get this idiot off site only to have the rear and allready on its way out(due to turning off the round about quickly)' date=' i held some what of a controlled skid only for it to snap back the other way and make the front end of the car contact the rails.

the rails gripped the car and spun it 180 causing the rear wheel to hit the kirb and smash off taking the hub and disc brake with it, then one more 180spin so i was facing the right way again. and i came to a stop.[/quote']

To spin the car round like that you were obviously doing well over 30mph and you admit yourself you were driving far too hard and aggressively on a public road.

There were no external factors to take any of the blame and you don't deserve sympathy. Sorry

so anyone who makes a mistake that is their own fault with no other contributary factors doesnt deserve sympathy :confused:

I'm glad I wasn't a member of briskoda when i jack knifed my previous car into a lamp post at 50 mph whilst driving around a roundabout. I made a mistake, I learnt my lesson, I have taken action to try and ensure the risk is minimised in the future and to say you have no sympathy for Whelan is out of order.

People make mistakes, and to re-itterate my my previous comments, everyone makes a mistake, lets hope Whelan learns from this and doesn't let it happen again.

You have to make a mistake to learn from it, lets hope Whelan takes note of what has happened and learns from this.

Safe motoring to everyone, I think we can draw a line under this now

so anyone who makes a mistake that is their own fault with no other contributary factors doesnt deserve sympathy :confused:

I'm glad I wasn't a member of briskoda when i jack knifed my previous car into a lamp post at 50 mph whilst driving around a roundabout. I made a mistake' date=' I learnt my lesson, I have taken action to try and ensure the risk is minimised in the future and to say you have no sympathy for Whelan is out of order, sorry.[/quote']

How did you jack knife a car? Was it an articulated car? :confused:

I think the lack of sympathy has more to do with how the OP has clearly lied about what happened. If he'd come on and give a true account of what happened I expect he'd see a little more sympathy.

...i await the next version of events...

The trouble is IMO that it's extremely difficult to recall after an accident exactly what did happen, from being in shock I guess. I've had a couple (my fault) all under 30mph and have plagued by questions such as how fast I was actually going, whether I actually saw something but it didn't register - or I just didn't see it (I must have seen it, musn't I?), was the other car indicating and if so how could I not have seen that? - maybe he wasn't - or was he?

TBH I think it's hard after any accident to recall facts rather than "I must have", and watching the world going round a second afterwards doesn't exactly help much IMO.

Someone suggesting analysing what happened; again the brain has a tendency to rewrite things to "must have been", so I'd be inclined to go with the suggestion of a refresher or advanced course which I guess would be an eye-opener for most of us.

I've re-lived reversing into a post at 2mph over and over and still don't know how I did it. Re-living is a futile thing to do, but moving on is easier said than done. Just try to spend time with friends or do anything which takes your mind off it, Whelan, methinks.

Mo

He obviously wasn't in that much shock that he could make a new video about it! :confused:

How did you jack knife a car? Was it an articulated car? :confused:

I hit the inside kerb which in turn sent the car left, then right and finally all wheels locked and the car spun in the air 360 degress (well what felt like that anyway) into the lamp post.

Sorry to drag up the past but didnt Jason have a large accident in his previous car that was completely his fault? I dont recall many people having a go at him over this (sorry Jason, not trying to drag you into this debate and not having a go at you mate ).

And yes I do appreciate people are probably irriated that he hasnt told the whole truth, prehaps he feels ashamed and just wants some support :confused:

I think everybody should be in a crash of some sort (controlled of course),the earlier the better.Its no laughing matter and would certainly stop any future fast driving or carelessness.I was in a high speed crash just after passing my test.I was driving from Inverness to ullapool(now voting the countries best driving road) I came around a sweeping bend doing 105mph and swerverd to avoid some some sheep in the road,thought i had it controlled until the front wheel dug into a drainage ditch and sent the car cartwheeling down the road,landing upside down in a river.I walked away with only cuts and bruises,how i'l never know.But just the noise of a crash scared the sh%t out of me.It took me six months to get back in a car,quite a while seeing as inverness is the nearest town and its an hour away.Driving fast will only get you there a couple of minutes earlier,unrelaxed and stressed.Is it worth it?

k

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7149&highlight=crash

sorry to drag up the past mate, no offence intended towards you.

Pot calling the kettle black m'thinks

Yep - I did have a large accident which was all my fault, but I made the decision to keep off Briskoda until it all blew over. Proved to be a wiser decision than the decision I made about the speed to try and carry through that corner.

I hit the inside kerb which in turn sent the car left' date=' then right and finally all wheels locked and the car spun in the air 360 degress (well what felt like that anyway) into the lamp post.

Sorry to drag up the past but didnt Jason have a large accident in his previous car that was completely his fault? I dont recall many people having a go at him over this (sorry Jason, not trying to drag you into this debate and not having a go at you mate ).

And yes I do appreciate people are probably irriated that he hasnt told the whole truth, [b']prehaps he feels ashamed [/b]and just wants some support :confused:

You didn't Jack Knife then; the vehichle has to bend 90* for it to be classed as jack knifed, hence it usually only happens to articulated trucks. Not trying to be funny BTW just found the statement confusing.

If someone is ashamed of something it's not normal IMO to make a fully edited and soundtracked video.

Most people do drive like a twit at some point and plenty of people have accidents whilst doing so, I just don't think the OP has put himself across particularly well.

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7149&highlight=crash

sorry to drag up the past mate' date=' no offence intended towards you.

Pot calling the kettle black m'thinks [/quote']

Two differences I see though are that Jason was travelling within the speed limit and also was very honest about what happened.........

Chris